Suicide

Sept 14, 2017 14:49:26 GMT @miccee said:

Sept 14, 2017 14:37:39 GMT lenlenlen1 said:

3) The difference is mental illness. There are very, VERY, few good reasons to commit suicide (you're going to die a long drawn out death, your death will save lives, etc.) but depression and desperation are not one of them.

Suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem. With life, time, and a different outlook all problems can be overcome. In suicide you're just giving in to fear. As hard as it may be, you must be stronger than that.

Not all individuals who commit suicide had mental illness, and regardless of that, mental illness with bleak prospects of recovery is a good reason to commit suicide. Why should something that one is doing for themselves and only for themselves (to spare future suffering) have to satisfy anyone else's acceptable justifications for that action? And why should someone like you get to be the arbiter of what degree of suffering someone should have to endure just to have a mere chance at some speculative and nebulous future benefit? A good reason to commit suicide is any reason that the individual has carefully considered, and should not have to be validated or sanctioned by religious people who are terrified of facing up to their own mortality.

Aw man, I just knew when I wrote "mental illness" that someone was going to call me out on it. Let me elaborate...

When is say mental illness I don't mean that a person is certifiably crazy. Mental illnesses are a spectrum disorder, just like any other. For example, ever have a cold that went away in two days, and another cold that went on for two weeks? Ever hear of anyone having a fight against cancer that was taken care of with one chemo treatment and they never had it again and lived a happy life, and another person who nothing worked for them and died from it? Mental Illness is like that. It ranges from anything to mild depression or phobia to outright schizophrenia and running around in the street covered in peanut butter yelling "I love frogs".

If we all accept that being alive, healthy and happy, is the desired state then it is not reasonable, it is not within healthy parameters, to think about killing oneself. All things being equal, if you are thinking about killing yourself, you fall into one of two categories: You're crying our for attention, or you're thoughts are not within healthy parameters. Cutting oneself is not healthy. Over or under eating is not healthy. Thinking about dying all the time is not healthy. And thinking that your problems are SO insurmountable that its better to die than to face them is not healthy.

Any healthcare professional in the world, any priest, any loved one, any decent human being, is going to try to get you some help rather than say "yeah, sure, killing yourself is reasonable."

p.s. this has nothing to do with religion as I am not a religious person, and I completely disagree that there's any scenario (other than some of the ones I mentioned in my first post) where "careful consideration" will bring you to the conclusion that death is the best option (unless, like I said above: You're dying of incurable painful cancer, etc).

If anything "careful consideration" would bring you to the conclusion that with life all things are possible whereas with death your options are over.