Jesus and free will

Jesus and free will Sept 15, 2017 1:37:14 GMT

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Post by cupcakes on Sept 15, 2017 1:37:14 GMT

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Sept 15, 2017 1:18:01 GMT @miccee said:

Sept 14, 2017 14:48:26 GMT cupcakes said:

Booby hatch stuff. Both "Nobody should be forced to contend with the risk of non-trivial suffering" and what you think is and is not harm.

One can be sane to the fact that no matter what they do or not do will make no difference against their God Fate.

More booby hatch stuff. Whatever you "know" (harderharharr) or don't know, no action or inaction can change the course that was set up at the outset. The "ideas" molecules are already on their irreversible path. Your urgency and actions are patently deranged in the face of such "knowledge".

Morally I would be fine with post-birth abortions, but I realise that this would probably be too radical to ever be implemented.

Those cartoons are funny because they contain a truth and observe how people react to truths that they don't want to know, but are also unable to refute. And the author of those comic strips is not 'distorting'; he does not believe in free will:

scienceblogs.com/cortex/2006/12/26/scott-adams-on-free-will/

dilbertblog.typepad.com/the_dilbert_blog/2007/03/asses_and_free_.html

Also, this new article came up on VICE which has an interview with a neuroscientist on free will:

www.vice.com/en_uk/article/mbqwjx/you-have-no-free-will

I know you try to push it, but it's absolutely self-contradictory. And you still push one side of it only in your overtly-admitted partisanship. What's he saying other that we act according to our traits & preferences?

Nope, necessarily, by orders of magnitude, as they are responding to their crushing guilt or loss or whatever with great urgency, and not concentrating on making themselves not care about it. As for the mentally incompetent, it's just horrifically immoral to send them to their doom when they are in the grips of a mental illness. To assist a mental illness to bring about the death of a person is categorically immoral and in fact reprehensible. If you're too bored, stop being so narcissistic and trying to vitiate the whole system based on your personal fecklessness and narcissism.

Yes, and if they had a cooling off period where they knew that (state facilitated) suicide was very much an option but were given assistance to explore other alternatives (which they otherwise would be too scared to explore due to fear of being effectively criminalised and losing their freedom for an indefinite period of time), then this would help a lot of people though these short term crises. And it is horrifically lacking in empathy to insist that you know better than someone else whether or not their suffering is worth enduring. It's also incomprehensibly absurd to carve out an exception to the usual rule that it is legal to assist someone in acting lawfully.

Nope, that's just stuff you've made up. Competent people who've considered and actually decided wouldn't involve other people, and those at impulse are tinging about what they're fixating on, certainly not a 73 hour stay in a facility.

And "effectively criminalised" is just yet more of your Orwellian babble.

Booby hatch stuff. Both "Nobody should be forced to contend with the risk of non-trivial suffering" and what you think is and is not harm.

Life always contains harm. Only if life can be guaranteed harm-free should someone even consider the possibility of making new life.

Ain't it grand? But "harm" is really just an illusion anyway. But the "guaranteed harm-free" is pure cuckoo-land stuff.

One can be sane to the fact that no matter what they do or not do will make no difference against their God Fate.

Yes, but nobody is God and nobody knows what the outcome of their actions will be. Only in knowing the future can one be resigned to what happens in the future.

Ain't life grand! Thank Fate it's a great ride (that you can hop off at any time) and keeps trending better.

More booby hatch stuff. Whatever you "know" (harderharharr) or don't know, no action or inaction can change the course that was set up at the outset. The "ideas" molecules are already on their irreversible path. Your urgency and actions are patently deranged in the face of such "knowledge".

This is true, but I don't know where the ideas molecules will end up. I used to be very staunchly in favour of procreation (even posting the lyrics for 'I've never been to me' to 'prove' that having children was indispensible for a fulfilling and meaningful life: www.metrolyrics.com/ive-never-been-to-me-lyrics-charlene.html), but exposure to new information changed my life.

Your problem is looking at everything from your direct personal selfish benefit. And I have no doubt at all that you've careened from one extreme to another.

If I drop a plate, then that plate goes from being a functional plate to numerous broken fragments of ceramic on the floor. With ostensibly no magic involved, the plate transitions from being one useful object occupying one state to many different useless objects occupying a range of different states. But I would not write an angry letter to the manufacturer demanding to know why they bothered to manufacture that plate if it was just going to get broken anyway.

So why do you keep bitching about parents, er, I mean moist plates?

And by the way, "useless" is just an illusion.

Morally I would be fine with post-birth abortions, but I realise that this would probably be too radical to ever be implemented.