antinatalism and pessimism

antinatalism and pessimism Sept 26, 2017 4:48:28 GMT

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Post by cupcakes on Sept 26, 2017 4:48:28 GMT

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Sept 22, 2017 15:43:44 GMT @miccee said:

And the facts are that peacefully opting out of existence is strongly proscribed, and where possible, prevented by the societies in which we live.

Nope, as it is easily accomplished and virtually unstoppable if one is not mentally ill or making a scene. Some children do it accidentally every year playing a game with one of our fragilities.

Whether people consider it beneficial to themselves to have children is another issue (although there is scant evidence that people with children are happier than childless people, and the imperative to have children is likely to be our biology playing tricks on us so that we propagate our genetic material).

People have an imperative to f!ck. Some women have a childbearing imperative. The more developed the society the later people choose to reproduce as they're generally more practical about the investment that is required, both personal and monetary. In underdeveloped areas an economic motive is much more pronounced.

The salient fact is that in doing so, they are imposing a set of burdens on someone who had no say in the matter (and will struggle to extricate themselves from those burdens if they find that sentient existence is not to their liking).

It's a great opportunity that the vast majority will overwhelmingly prefer over the alternative. And the only real struggle for the mentally competent is actually coming to the decision that the net is negative.

The idea of eternal recurrence is an interesting one; as an infinite universe is likely to mean the future emergence of life. Perhaps even the exact same combination of molecules which make up 'me' will repeat, and I will be reborn again, in essence. Nothing we can really do about that if it does happen, but I think that there ought to be a moral imperative to nip the situation in the bud if we can, given that the rebirth scenario is unproven.

By what supposition do you "err" towards infinite planets in infinite time not recreating "life", which is simply a mechanistic process, in the known case based around carbon. Do you suppose that we are in some way special in this regard?

Another antinatalist on Youtube made a similar point that it may be best not to expose westerners to antinatalism full-on, because if our civilisation died out, then that may leave savage civilisations in the ascendency.

It's not that less civilized societies may ascend and so retard the refinement of existing civilization. It's that antinatalism guarantees that the savage and brutal suffering of pre-sentient and sentient beings in pre- and early civilizations will be repeated infinitely in some Sisyphean tragedy, as opposed to at least having the possibility of enlightened civilizations taming suffering for extended epochs.

If true, then it is cute, cuddly, fuzzy and multicultural because Muslims are (mostly) brown. That takes precedence over any moral concern.