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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2018 18:17:32 GMT
And, once again, that they put gender before merit is something you have invented. You have absolutely nothing to indicate that this is true. It's merely what you want to be true. That's what the article says. No, it does not say that. And as I've already pointed out like five times, this does not mean that they don't care about other factors like ability to do the job. Nowhere in that article does it say "We want a woman director whether she's any good or not." That last part is something that you've invented. What they said : "We want a woman director." What you heard : "We want a woman director whether she's any good or not because we don't care at all about merit." The bolded part is not something they said. It's not something they implied. It's something you made up and decided must be true. If there was no talented woman available then we would be living in a weird alternate reality. Since we aren't, then it's a nonsensical point. "They said they want to hire a human being. That means they're biased, because they're saying that if we lived in a world with aliens they'd refuse to hire an alien!" And so we see that the article does NOT actually say that. It's an "implication", AKA "bullshit that Gruffimus Prime invented". And did that make the movie of lower quality? No it did not. It made no difference to the film whatsoever. Thus it demonstrates that your point is false. And yet again, it is not an either/or proposition. One can like playing "identity politics", whatever that is supposed to mean, and also be committed to storytelling merit.
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Post by Primemovermithrax Pejorative on Apr 29, 2018 18:26:40 GMT
Dont care how many times you deny it, the title says: Paramount/JJ Mandate Star Trek 4 Director Must Be A Woman Mandate, must That suggests a quota. It suggests gender was more important than story. If they kept it secret that would be one thing-making it public means they think it has some public value for marketing--meaning some people will go see it because they said they must have diversity hiring practices.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2018 18:32:17 GMT
Dont care how many times you deny it, the title says: Paramount/JJ Mandate Star Trek 4 Director Must Be A Woman Mandate, must I haven't denied that it says she must be a woman. I fully accept that they have decided that the director must be woman. Maybe you'd like to respond to the bit where I showed you that this doesn't mean they don't care about anything else? Again, with you so far. Your fantasies about what has been "suggested" are unimportant to reality. At no point in the article do they say "gender is more important than story". At no point in the article do they say "gender is the only thing that matters." If I'm wrong, quote that line. Go on, I dare you. Quote it, and I will retract everything I've said, apologise, and beg your forgiveness. Quote the line. Your guesswork about their motives is just that - your guesswork. It also has no bearing on actual reality.
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Post by Primemovermithrax Pejorative on Apr 29, 2018 18:35:17 GMT
At no point in the article do they say "gender is more important than story". "Must" implies it is. Because it entertains the possibility that if they are unable to find a qualified candidate they will use her anyway because they "must" have a woman directing.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2018 18:37:27 GMT
At no point in the article do they say "gender is more important than story". "Must" implies it is. Because it entertains the possibility that if they are unable to find a qualified candidate they will use her anyway because they "must" have a woman directing. Then quote the line where they say this. Can you? I think you can't. Admit it. Just say the truth : they didn't say that.
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Post by Primemovermithrax Pejorative on Apr 29, 2018 18:40:37 GMT
Then quote the line where they say this. Can you? I think you can't. Admit it. Just say the truth : they didn't say that. You know, I dont mind doing this all day, but I am not sure there is much point. The original post states it clearly. Everyone needs a hobby I reckon.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2018 18:41:34 GMT
Then quote the line where they say this. Can you? I think you can't. Admit it. Just say the truth : they didn't say that. You know, I dont mind doing this all day, but I am not sure there is much point. The original post states it clearly. Everyone needs a hobby I reckon. For some strange reason you still haven't quoted the line where they say what you assume they mean. How strange.
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Post by MCDemuth on Apr 29, 2018 18:49:32 GMT
Women have been directing TV Shows & Movies for decades...
The only reason... to use orders and excessive pushing like that now, in which gender they want hired... is about politics, not the quality of film.
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Post by Primemovermithrax Pejorative on Apr 29, 2018 18:51:51 GMT
For some strange reason you still haven't quoted the line where they say what you assume they mean. How strange. Welcome to another edition of Star Trek News Nit Picks On today's show, we explore the linguistic roots of the word "must" and also get comment from celebrity Trek guest Walter Koenig on the proper way to pronounce it with a Russian accent.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2018 19:57:29 GMT
Next week : how to create bullshit assumptions and project them onto the things other people say in order to make harmless statements appear sinister!
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