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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Apr 30, 2018 23:00:01 GMT
Yes, because the overwhelming majority of kids movies on the marketplace have heroic characters be killed by being stabbed with blades, choked, pushed off of mountains, or disintegrated into dust and have the bad guy win in the end. Was that present in any of the Alvin & The Chipmunks or Nut Job movies? I don't think so. Well, The Incredibles had a cave full of dead superheroes, much like Ego’s cave full of his children’s skeletons, and the kids that grew up on that are eagerly taking their kids to the long awaited sequel soon. I'm sure thenewnexus makes exception with that one, since he has a thing for double standards.
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Post by No Morpho, Only Bánh mì on Apr 30, 2018 23:01:08 GMT
Well, The Incredibles had a cave full of dead superheroes, much like Ego’s cave full of his children’s skeletons, and the kids that grew up on that are eagerly taking their kids to the long awaited sequel soon. I'm sure thenewnexus makes exception with that one, since he has a thing for double standards. And DD’s!!!
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Post by thenewnexus on May 1, 2018 2:21:25 GMT
This movie was made for kids though. Yes, because the overwhelming majority of kids movies on the marketplace have heroic characters be killed by being stabbed with blades, choked, pushed off of mountains, or disintegrated into dust and have the bad guy win in the end. Was that present in any of the Alvin & The Chipmunks or Nut Job movies? I don't think so. The villians are called squidward and grimus by Stark and Starlord. When the guardians find Thor,Starlord mocks him. Strange,Stark and Banner talking about ice cream. Gamora tells Starlord to kill her and drax is eating chips and mantis shows up. Very awkward.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on May 1, 2018 3:59:29 GMT
Yes, because the overwhelming majority of kids movies on the marketplace have heroic characters be killed by being stabbed with blades, choked, pushed off of mountains, or disintegrated into dust and have the bad guy win in the end. Was that present in any of the Alvin & The Chipmunks or Nut Job movies? I don't think so. The villians are called squidward and grimus by Stark and Starlord. When the guardians find Thor,Starlord mocks him. Strange,Stark and Banner talking about ice cream. Gamora tells Starlord to kill her and drax is eating chips and mantis shows up. Very awkward. So? Heroes insulting villains by calling them names of child friendly cartoon characters is nothing new nor is it only exclusive for children intended entertainment. Star Lord mocking Thor is a mixture of feeling jealous because everybody else on the ship including Gamora who he has feelings for is fawning over him, annoyed that Thor assumes he isn't the captain of the ship, and that he is unsure if Thor can be trusted at all. Would you have preferred he done nothing and stayed silent the whole time they met? Again, so what? People enjoy ice cream, deal with it. Because Drax IS an awkward character, as is Mantis. Drax hails from a race of aliens who were very literal and stone cold serious all the time, Mantis was sheltered since she was fairly young from interacting with others and was only allowed to if Ego had allowed it. Your complaints/reasons for why IW is a kids movie are beyond retarded with a capital R - and I know not everybody likes to hear/read the R word but I can't think of anything more appropriate right now for all this crap.
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Post by harpospoke on May 1, 2018 6:07:14 GMT
I'm definitely thinking it's not for kids just from what I've seen personally. Agreed. Disney's corporate charter should be revoked, and they should be shut down. Only if chocolate chip cookies.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on May 1, 2018 6:27:06 GMT
Agreed. Disney's corporate charter should be revoked, and they should be shut down. Only if chocolate chip cookies.
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Post by harpospoke on May 3, 2018 7:13:51 GMT
Check out the kids in this video. One of them openly says she doesn't want to see it again. The mother seems to share that sentiment. (Maybe it's possible the female crowd won't want to see it again?) Could be a Sophie's Choice Schindler's List thing. ...Awesome movies but you can't bear to watch them twice.
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Post by blockbusted on May 3, 2018 13:34:18 GMT
Yes, because the overwhelming majority of kids movies on the marketplace have heroic characters be killed by being stabbed with blades, choked, pushed off of mountains, or disintegrated into dust and have the bad guy win in the end. Was that present in any of the Alvin & The Chipmunks or Nut Job movies? I don't think so. Well, The Incredibles had a cave full of dead superheroes, much like Ego’s cave full of his children’s skeletons, and the kids that grew up on that are eagerly taking their kids to the long awaited sequel soon. Wasn’t it only Gazerbeam’s corpse that was actually present in ‘The Incredibles’?
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Post by Rey Kahuka on May 3, 2018 13:38:42 GMT
Check out the kids in this video. One of them openly says she doesn't want to see it again. The mother seems to share that sentiment. (Maybe it's possible the female crowd won't want to see it again?) Could be a Sophie's Choice Schindler's List thing. ...Awesome movies but you can't bear to watch them twice. Children I can understand, but I'm surprised adults are getting upset. Most of the characters who disappeared are coming back. There are already new Spidey, Guardians and Black Panther movies in the works. Somebody please explain how Hollywood works to these people.
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Post by No Morpho, Only Bánh mì on May 3, 2018 13:43:24 GMT
Well, The Incredibles had a cave full of dead superheroes, much like Ego’s cave full of his children’s skeletons, and the kids that grew up on that are eagerly taking their kids to the long awaited sequel soon. Wasn’t it only Gazerbeam’s corpse that was actually present in ‘The Incredibles’? Was it? 🤦♂️ Either way, it was dark and the concept stuck. I need to go watch it again!
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Post by PreachCaleb on May 3, 2018 15:16:15 GMT
Check out the kids in this video. One of them openly says she doesn't want to see it again. The mother seems to share that sentiment. (Maybe it's possible the female crowd won't want to see it again?) Could be a Sophie's Choice Schindler's List thing. ...Awesome movies but you can't bear to watch them twice. Children I can understand, but I'm surprised adults are getting upset. Most of the characters who disappeared are coming back. There are already new Spidey, Guardians and Black Panther movies in the works. Somebody please explain how Hollywood works to these people. It's about the journey.
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Post by taylorfirst1 on May 3, 2018 15:29:13 GMT
I think the stories of both children and adults being "upset" are very anecdotal and don't reflect numbers that are statistically relevant.
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Post by charzhino on May 3, 2018 15:33:35 GMT
We will see how big the weekend 2 drop off is when Monday rolls around. If its 60% or more, then thats a strong indicator that the little kiddies got scared of big bad thanos killing their heros and were too scared to go back and watch the slaughter for a 2nd time.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on May 3, 2018 15:55:56 GMT
I think the stories of both children and adults being "upset" are very anecdotal and don't reflect numbers that are statistically relevant. I've heard a lot of different podcasters talk about children in their theaters or their own families being upset over IW. It is a lot to take in, but that's exactly what the filmmakers were going for. Once the shock wears off they'll come to their senses and understand it's just a chapter in a larger story. In the short term they'll go back and watch it again because they know they have to come to grips with what happened. In the long term it'll be regarded as one of the best CBMs of all time. I've heard it said, and I totally agree that if Empire Strikes Back came out today, the immediate audience reaction would be negative. Looking back, it's considered the best of the series. And as you said, even now we're talking about a minority within the audience.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on May 3, 2018 15:59:13 GMT
We will see how big the weekend 2 drop off is when Monday rolls around. If its 60% or more, then thats a strong indicator that the little kiddies got scared of big bad thanos killing their heros and were too scared to go back and watch the slaughter for a 2nd time. How do you judge what a typical second week drop off is for a $258M opening? The film was shrouded in secrecy to ensure as many people as possible would go see it opening weekend. It's was an enormous marketing success but it's going to skew things as far as immediate legs are concerned. If it drops off a cliff like BvS, we'll know audiences think Marvel missed the mark. If it has typical Marvel legs, we can be sure audiences overall appreciated the risks it took despite a minority who did not.
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Post by charzhino on May 3, 2018 17:02:59 GMT
We will see how big the weekend 2 drop off is when Monday rolls around. If its 60% or more, then thats a strong indicator that the little kiddies got scared of big bad thanos killing their heros and were too scared to go back and watch the slaughter for a 2nd time. How do you judge what a typical second week drop off is for a $258M opening? The film was shrouded in secrecy to ensure as many people as possible would go see it opening weekend. It's was an enormous marketing success but it's going to skew things as far as immediate legs are concerned. If it drops off a cliff like BvS, we'll know audiences think Marvel missed the mark. If it has typical Marvel legs, we can be sure audiences overall appreciated the risks it took despite a minority who did not. Spiderman Homecoming is the record drop off for MCU with 62% and only First Avenger + Incredible Hulk dropped 60% or more for the rest of the films. If it gets around 60% then audiences wont be seeming to watch again. The 258M opening isnt really relevant, strong word of mouth and rewatchability would balance it out.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on May 3, 2018 17:05:59 GMT
Children I can understand, but I'm surprised adults are getting upset. Most of the characters who disappeared are coming back. There are already new Spidey, Guardians and Black Panther movies in the works. Somebody please explain how Hollywood works to these people. It's about the journey. Nah, it's about the destination.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on May 3, 2018 17:12:23 GMT
How do you judge what a typical second week drop off is for a $258M opening? The film was shrouded in secrecy to ensure as many people as possible would go see it opening weekend. It's was an enormous marketing success but it's going to skew things as far as immediate legs are concerned. If it drops off a cliff like BvS, we'll know audiences think Marvel missed the mark. If it has typical Marvel legs, we can be sure audiences overall appreciated the risks it took despite a minority who did not. Spiderman Homecoming is the record drop off for MCU with 62% and only First Avenger + Incredible Hulk dropped 60% or more for the rest of the films. If it gets around 60% then audiences wont be seeming to watch again. The 258M opening isnt really relevant, strong word of mouth and rewatchability would balance it out.Fair point. The opening numbers aren't relevant as you look at how it holds. It really is about word of mouth with the Marvel films.
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Post by harpospoke on May 3, 2018 20:00:13 GMT
Check out the kids in this video. One of them openly says she doesn't want to see it again. The mother seems to share that sentiment. (Maybe it's possible the female crowd won't want to see it again?) Could be a Sophie's Choice Schindler's List thing. ...Awesome movies but you can't bear to watch them twice. Children I can understand, but I'm surprised adults are getting upset. Most of the characters who disappeared are coming back. There are already new Spidey, Guardians and Black Panther movies in the works. Somebody please explain how Hollywood works to these people. We are probably fooled by hanging out online with people who are super ultra extra informed about these movies. I doubt the general public knows about upcoming movies. All they see is..."They killed Spider-Man!" As someone else said, they are in the moment....which is what the movie is about really. It's like other movies where a character is in peril. I know they aren't going to die or anything but it still works in the moment.
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Post by harpospoke on May 3, 2018 20:01:49 GMT
I think the stories of both children and adults being "upset" are very anecdotal and don't reflect numbers that are statistically relevant. I've heard a lot of different podcasters talk about children in their theaters or their own families being upset over IW. It is a lot to take in, but that's exactly what the filmmakers were going for. Once the shock wears off they'll come to their senses and understand it's just a chapter in a larger story. In the short term they'll go back and watch it again because they know they have to come to grips with what happened. In the long term it'll be regarded as one of the best CBMs of all time. I've heard it said, and I totally agree that if Empire Strikes Back came out today, the immediate audience reaction would be negative. Looking back, it's considered the best of the series. And as you said, even now we're talking about a minority within the audience. There is something to that too. All the descriptions of audiences I've heard have been that people are silent at the end of the movie. But then you get home and it's all you want to talk/think about. So an impulse you have in the theater may not be how you feel the next day.
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