|
|
Post by alpha128 on Mar 15, 2017 2:06:03 GMT
After no Patch Tuesday in February, March Patch Tuesday is here. As Woody Leonhard says: |
|
|
|
Post by mslo79 on Mar 16, 2017 0:44:46 GMT
I am curious... are you going to run Windows 7 past the Jan 2020 deadline?
people can't hang onto that forever as you got less than 3 years left of Windows 7 support from Microsoft.
but i have a feeling people are going to do with Windows 7 like they did with Windows XP in that they run it to the last second or even beyond the end of support date a bit given the following info...
Market share of OS's as of Feb 2017...
Windows 7 = 48.41%
Windows 10 = 25.19%
Windows XP = 8.45%
total between those three OS's = 82.05% ; so it's like saying more than eight out of ten computer users are using one of those three OS's. but it's not surprising as damn near everyone has Windows on their computers.
those are the Top 3 OS's in terms of market share.
so nearly half of computer users are still on Windows 7 with less than three years of support for it left.
|
|
|
|
Post by alpha128 on Mar 16, 2017 1:10:46 GMT
I am curious... are you going to run Windows 7 past the Jan 2020 deadline? so nearly half of computer users are still on Windows 7 with less than three years of support for it left. I don't want to run an unsupported operating system. But I didn't want to upgrade to Windows 10, for multiple reasons. Maybe in three years, Microsoft will have worked out all the issues in Windows 10 and will re-offer the free upgrade to avoid a Windows XP scenario. |
|
|
|
Post by mslo79 on Mar 16, 2017 4:04:42 GMT
alpha128i see. my guess is that's partially the trade off with Windows 10 vs Windows 7... since Windows 10 is being developed/evolving with time and Windows 7 did not have that, that might sacrifice reliability on a wide range of PC's on some level for Windows 10 (and in this area Windows 7 the safer choice) but at the same time i imagine Windows 10 should get more and more stable as time passes. Windows 10 was released July 2015 so it's not far from 2 years, so i would imagine at this point most of the major problems should be sorted. my guess is those still having issues with Windows 10 is lack of driver support for their hardware and it makes me wonder how many of those issues people are having with Windows 10 would be solved simply by clean installing Windows 10 from scratch instead of a upgrade over Windows 7 etc. i understand there is some potential privacy things etc with Windows 10 for some people but it's not like we have total privacy online anyways. i guess Linux is always a option in a worst case scenario come 2020 (i realize the common person probably would not know about Linux or even know how to install it) for those using Windows 7 to the limit which i imagine would be about 3 years from now as Jan 2020 they dump support but i image it will take some time after that before any serious security flaws are discovered to where using Windows 7 could potentially be unsafe to use online. but speaking of Windows XP... it must not have taken too long before people largely dumped it as April 8th 2014 was the end of it's support and here it is not even 3 years later and now only has about 8% of the market. so i expect Windows 7 will probably react similarly in that by 2022-2023 or so not many people will still be using it. just some thoughts 
|
|
|
|
Post by Utpe on Mar 17, 2017 7:15:50 GMT
|
|
|
|
Post by alpha128 on Mar 17, 2017 11:46:11 GMT
I'd wait a while if I were you, and stick with Win 7. I plan to. Forced upgrades are one reason I declined Microsoft's "upgrade offer". |
|
|
|
Post by mslo79 on Mar 19, 2017 11:23:47 GMT
UtpeYeah, that Creators Update is due in April from the general word. i imagine they will release a updated ISO file to at that point. so figure installs of Windows 10 you can start straight from there. can save time downloading a bunch of updates that way in the future. since i use bootable USB stuff i just delete my old stuff (which is currently the 'Anniversary Update' ISO) once the new ISO is out ill remake it from the new ISO and all is good. i plan on getting the Creators Update as soon as it's official as i likely won't have any issues, at least nothing major. but if you want to wait a little while before getting that update to play it safe you could just to see how it plays out with the masses as it would not hurt to wait a while given Microsoft's rep on these updates is not exactly rock solid. but come to think of it... once that's released ill probably re-image my C drive (which is my SSD) to a regular hard drive with Macrium Reflect (it's free drive imaging software) so if anything major happens (like if the Creators Update makes my computer flip out) i can restore it exactly like it was prior to the Creators Update installation and all will be fine again and this won't take much effort to do with that software. but you basically need more than one drive (or more than one partition) to do this. but i got plenty of space on other hard drives to where i can easily image my 250GB SSD drive entirely. but i just checked and i have that exact same message as you as i see that same thing on my Windows 10 x64 Pro build 14393.953 (which is the newest update for the newest version of Windows 10 officially released) as that .953 was released recently (about 5 days ago now) which is more bug fixes etc. but one thing i found on a site i use talking about the Creators Update... www.neowin.net/news/here039s-what-got-fixed-improved-and-is-still-broken-in-windows-10-for-pcs-build-15061 (which is from a day or two ago now) ; looks like it's getting pretty close to release but there is still some bugs they are working on. but it's not RTM yet, which means not official as those builds are released on the fast ring/slow ring stuff which i never messed with as i tend to stay with the official releases. also, it's not going to be long after that Creators Update is released that they are going to dump support of the original Windows 10 RTM builds (1507 build 10240.x)... www.neowin.net/news/end-of-support-for-original-windows-10-version-pushed-back-to-may ; but i can't imagine many people still using that original RTM release version nowadays and are most likely on the newest Anniversary Update or just shy of that. currently supported versions of Windows 10... technet.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/release-info.aspx (which shows 1507(original release of Windows 10(April 2015)), 1511(Nov 2015 update), 1607(Anniversary Update(July/Aug 2016)). but like i was saying it appears May the 1507 is being dumped.
|
|
|
|
Post by alpha128 on Mar 22, 2017 22:46:42 GMT
|
|
|
|
Post by mslo79 on Mar 30, 2017 6:23:47 GMT
Utpe looks like April 11th 2017 is the official release of the Creators Update... www.neowin.net/news/windows-10-creators-update-microsoft-announces-rollout-will-begin-on-april-11also, seems they temporarily had the Creator Update RTM ISO's online but not for long as some people grabbed it before the link people were using was removed/stopped working etc. i am looking for it currently. but if i can't get a hold of it i hope they will have the ISO's available on April 11th 2017 through the usual MediaCreationTool which downloads the ISO from Microsoft servers for future use as that's what ill be getting eventually so future installs start from build 15063.0 EDIT: apparently i found the ISO's online and ill likely be updating soon. but it appears if one waits straight up it appears Microsoft will let people manually install the Creators Update on April 5th.
|
|
|
|
Post by alpha128 on Mar 31, 2017 0:20:35 GMT
|
|
|
|
Post by Utpe on Apr 1, 2017 19:31:07 GMT
Ah, well, I'm gonna wait as long as I can until they force me to update. I did that with the Anniversary Edition. I don't need a buggy, unstable OS.
I do hope they fix a few of the problems I've been having. Ever since I upgraded, I noticed that, if I pause a movie in VLC then resume, it makes this terrible static-like sound when there's a loud noise. I have to unplug and plug my headphones back in every single time. I also tried speakers and they do the same.
I also have an issue with my network dropping out when downloading huge files. I have to sit there and do the same as above. I even updated the drivers but to no avail.
I never had this problem with the Windows 10 version when I initially installed it in July 2016, nor did I have any audio/network issues with Windows 7.
Weird..
|
|
|
|
Post by mslo79 on Apr 3, 2017 4:17:29 GMT
Utpe Did you ever clean install Windows 10 yet? (i know this can be a pain to do as it can be time consuming but it's worth it if you never did it) ; while Windows 10 seems to be better than older OS's at upgrading from previous versions of Windows, i just never been a fan of upgrades over the top of previous installs of Windows as clean installs help guarantee everything is working as good as possible. if not, i would get Creators Update ISO and do it using that. like you can use it to make a bootable USB device using Rufus (i.e. rufus.akeo.ie/ (which is free)) ; but with this said... if you want to be extra safe i would have another installable version of Windows as a backup if by some slim chance the Creators Update install acts up. or if you got more hard drives or partitions on your computer you can image your drive as it sits now and then clean install and if anything goes to crap on you you can simply restore that current hard drive image and things will be back to the way they are now for you. also, with VLC does it just do it with that or does others do it to? ; i use Pot Player x64 (i.e. www.videohelp.com/software/PotPlayer ) for basically all of my movie and general video playback outside of the browser and all is good. but VLC should be okay though as it's a popular video playback program but i think Pot Player x64 is just all around better/snappier. but to be honest... i have not used VLC player in years though but i doubt i would like it more than Pot Player x64 overall. but something you can try that will take up a minimum amount of your time is to uninstall VLC player, download newest version from website, and reinstall it. see if that helps. but as far as the Creators Update, it could be a while before your computer gets it as i found this quote below... but just a random review on the Creators Update for those who are interested... www.windowscentral.com/windows-10-creators-update-reviewjust some thoughts p.s. winaero.com/blog/windows-10-creators-update-rtm-build-15063-official-iso-images/ ; you can get the ISO there quickly by simply clicking whichever one you need. if your in the USA like i am and have Windows 10 x64 Home or Pro you want the one named "Windows10_InsiderPreview_Client_x64_en-us_15063.iso". that's where i got mine from. but if you get that it's wise to confirm it's not corrupted after downloading by matching either the SHA-1 or MD5 hash... md5 hash = effccfda8a8dcf0b91bb3878702ae2d8 or SHA-1 hash = ce8005a659e8df7fe9b080352cb1c313c3e9adce ; if yours matches either of those you can guarantee the ISO download is not corrupted and will be fully working. if you got 7-zip installed it's easy to check the SHA-1 with it by right clicking the ISO selecting CRC-SHA and from the drop down menu select SHA-1 and it will then read the ISO file and show you your SHA-1 hash and it should match up with what i posted here. there are other free programs out there to check MD5 or SHA-1 hashes but i just mentioned 7-zip since it's a fairly popular archive extractor (like if you need to extract .zip or .rar or .7z files it's nice to have) and it's free to.
|
|
|
|
Post by Utpe on Apr 9, 2017 19:56:21 GMT
Did you ever clean install Windows 10 yet?
I've thought about it but would probably have to purchase another activation key. If I ever did, then I would obtain the LTSB retail ISO and purchase a Win 10 Enterprise CD-Key since I was told that it would work. Either that or download/install Linux Mint and learn a lot of the commands. I'll probably do one of the above on an older laptop with a bootable flash drive. I also believe Win 10 deleted the previous install of Win 7 after 30 days since I no longer see it.
also, with VLC does it just do it with that or does others do it to?
Oddly enough, just VLC. I turned up the volume on YouTube videos and it doesn't give me a problem.
but something you can try that will take up a minimum amount of your
time is to uninstall VLC player, download newest version from website,
and reinstall it. see if that helps.
Great idea! I will do that later on in the day.
When the 11th rolls around, I'll see if the Creator's Update helps with the networking issue. I still believe it has something to do with MS.
|
|
|
|
Post by mslo79 on Apr 10, 2017 0:42:17 GMT
UtpeYou won't if you got a currently activated copy of Windows 10 on that computer your clean installing Windows 10 to. Windows 10 automatically activates itself upon installation basically even with clean installs as you simply install it and run the computer like usual as once it's connected to the internet it activates itself shortly after that. so once your PC is activated with Windows 10 it will stay that way short of some major hardware changes. Yeah, i am pretty sure that's correct as i think once someone upgrades from Windows 7 to 10, Windows 10 keeps the Windows 7 backup files on your computer for about 30 days so if you want to roll back to Windows 7, like if you have any serious issues with Windows 10 in that time frame, you can do it but after that time passes it's no longer possible as Windows 10 automatically removes the Windows 7 files after that. p.s. another thing i typically run after Windows Updates in general is the 'disk cleanup' thing as it can free up quite a bit of space. but once it's loaded i also click the 'Clean up system files' to as that helps ensure maximum free space. but for those who like to play it a bit safer you can wait a little while after getting updates so make sure everything is smooth and then it's safe to remove all of the old stuff using that disk cleanup. if you never ran that before chances are it will free up a good chunk of space. Yeah, i think had i dumped Windows on my main computer, or at least a computer with fairly modern hardware, that's likely what i would go to as it appears to be the most popular version of Linux or close to it. but i guess unless someone requires Windows programs Linux Mint would probably be a solid choice. but i think i would miss Windows had i got rid of it as while i don't really play games much anymore there is probably still an occasional time i fire one up which i would not be able to do if i got rid of Windows. but even game stuff aside... there is probably little things/programs i would miss had i switched to Linux. p.s. also, current Linux Mint 18 (or 18.1) is supported til April 2021. but i am sure once they release newer versions that date will further increase once your on those since, as you already know, Linux is free. Yeah, possible. with all of the changes with updates to Windows 10 and the hardware combinations out there, i am sure issues will turn up here and there within Windows 10 itself especially since Windows 10 is always releasing new changes to the OS etc (say about a couple of times a year). p.s. if you got another hard drive with enough space to image your C drive you could always image your entire Windows drive and then upgrade to Windows 10 Creators Update and see what happens. worst case, you can simply restore that image and your PC will return to the state it was when you imaged it. (i.e. like the Creators Update never happened). Macrium Reflect (which is free) is the program i been using to image my Windows install to one of my larger hard drives before i did the Creators Update as a insurance policy in case anything major acted up
|
|
