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Post by Aj_June on Apr 30, 2018 19:33:08 GMT
I have put this topic on RFS board and not politics board because violence against children is a very sensitive topic and we usually hold actions of children in a different light than actions of adults (mostly for obvious and justified reasons). But here is a case of a bully boy who was harassing a girl for a long time. Harassing and bullying the girl to the point of making her weep alone in her room. Her Dad finally lost his patience and did something about it. While reading user comments in news article on one website I saw some people criticizing the dad and calling him coward for taking on the boy but I believe that Dad was compelled to do it. It has now emerged that boy has stopped bullying the girl. I think I don't hold much against dad for doing what he did. He didn't do any real bodily harm but just scared the wits out of the boy.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Apr 30, 2018 19:45:04 GMT
That dude belongs in prison.
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Post by Vegas on Apr 30, 2018 19:58:39 GMT
Sounds like the kid probably needed a good shit beat out of him.
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Post by thefleetsin on Apr 30, 2018 20:22:39 GMT
bullies need to be dealt with immediately. i would have approached the boys parents and let them know what was happening. and THEN smacked the little bastard hard enough to bounce his bullying ass off the sydney opera house.
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Post by Eva Yojimbo on May 1, 2018 1:59:06 GMT
While I completely sympathize with what the dad felt his actions were both wrong and illegal. The problem is that we need a system that's better at disciplining bullies, and if that means eventually removing them from the school because they can't control themselves, then that's what needs to be done. Children need to feel free to go to teachers and others in authority with such issues and have something substantial be done about it so that no parent would ever feel compelled to take the matter into their own hands (no pun intended) like this.
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2018 2:02:53 GMT
His actions were wrong.
We should be trying to discourage people from solving their problems with violence, IMO.
That said, he acted under provocation and if I were his judge I would give him a light sentence because of this.
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Post by Eva Yojimbo on May 1, 2018 2:19:10 GMT
His actions were wrong. We should be trying to discourage people from solving their problems with violence, IMO. That said, he acted under provocation and if I were his judge I would give him a light sentence because of this. TBF, he shouldn't have put himself in the situation to be provoked. He should've talked to the parents and the school, advised his daughter to record the bullying so there was evidence. If he had done that and still nothing was done about it, then his actions would've been more defensible.
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2018 2:51:23 GMT
His actions were wrong. We should be trying to discourage people from solving their problems with violence, IMO. That said, he acted under provocation and if I were his judge I would give him a light sentence because of this. TBF, he shouldn't have put himself in the situation to be provoked. He should've talked to the parents and the school, advised his daughter to record the bullying so there was evidence. If he had done that and still nothing was done about it, then his actions would've been more defensible. I don't disagree with any of that, but simply finding out his daughter was being bullied by this kid was provocation enough to give him some mercy, to my mind.
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Post by Eva Yojimbo on May 1, 2018 3:11:39 GMT
TBF, he shouldn't have put himself in the situation to be provoked. He should've talked to the parents and the school, advised his daughter to record the bullying so there was evidence. If he had done that and still nothing was done about it, then his actions would've been more defensible. I don't disagree with any of that, but simply finding out his daughter was being bullied by this kid was provocation enough to give him some mercy, to my mind. I'd say I can sympathize with his actions while still insisting that, if you're mature enough to be a parent, then you should be mature enough to control yourself and go through the proper authoritative channels. We just can't have a society where people's emotions and sense of vigilante justice are given lenience when they make bad decisions, especially when the source of that emotion/justice is what immature kids are doing. So I'm on board with the sympathy, but not necessarily on board with being too lenient on him.
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2018 3:19:32 GMT
I don't disagree with any of that, but simply finding out his daughter was being bullied by this kid was provocation enough to give him some mercy, to my mind. I'd say I can sympathize with his actions while still insisting that, if you're mature enough to be a parent, then you should be mature enough to control yourself and go through the proper authoritative channels. We just can't have a society where people's emotions and sense of vigilante justice are given lenience when they make bad decisions, especially when the source of that emotion/justice is what immature kids are doing. So I'm on board with the sympathy, but not necessarily on board with being too lenient on him. In the end it's a judgment call. Note that I don't think he should be simply given a pass on this. Merely that his sentence should be on the light side. A fine, some probation, an order not to go near the kid again. Something along those lines.
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Post by Eva Yojimbo on May 1, 2018 3:22:55 GMT
I'd say I can sympathize with his actions while still insisting that, if you're mature enough to be a parent, then you should be mature enough to control yourself and go through the proper authoritative channels. We just can't have a society where people's emotions and sense of vigilante justice are given lenience when they make bad decisions, especially when the source of that emotion/justice is what immature kids are doing. So I'm on board with the sympathy, but not necessarily on board with being too lenient on him. In the end it's a judgment call. Note that I don't think he should be simply given a pass on this. Merely that his sentence should be on the light side. A fine, some probation, an order not to go near the kid again. Something along those lines. I guess for me I'd have to hear about what the range of punishment precedents are for this type of crime. I'd probably lean towards something in the middle or on the middle-low side rather than either extreme.
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Post by Aj_June on May 1, 2018 19:36:39 GMT
While I completely sympathize with what the dad felt his actions were both wrong and illegal. The problem is that we need a system that's better at disciplining bullies, and if that means eventually removing them from the school because they can't control themselves, then that's what needs to be done. Children need to feel free to go to teachers and others in authority with such issues and have something substantial be done about it so that no parent would ever feel compelled to take the matter into their own hands (no pun intended) like this. Hi Eva, I totally understand that one should follow the system. For that I do believe that the father should have gone to school authorities or parents of the bully boy rather than confront the boy himself. That said I have a different take on this statement by you. "Children need to feel free to go to teachers and others in authority with such issues and have something substantial be done". First when it comes to bullying (especially true for a bullied child) it's not always a matter of what one should do. A child could scared so much that one is not able to do a lot. That is complain about the bullying. Fear can cause a person to suffer bullying. Further it is not always helpful to go to authorities. From my own experience teachers sometimes do not believe you even when you are true. Let's take another example of bullying from the same province of Australia that led to suicide of a child just recently. This once again proves that authorities are not always helpful.
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Post by Aj_June on May 1, 2018 19:43:15 GMT
Sounds like the kid probably needed a good shit beat out of him. I certainty agree that such children need to be disciplined. Preferably from their own parents but if they create suicide like situation for other kids then I am happy that somebody did something about it rather than let the bully get away. One thing that I don't understand is why the parents of bullies don't do something about them. Most of the time if one is a bully then it is not hidden from world. That sort of behaviour gives you away. Parents should confront their own kids and teach them better manners.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on May 1, 2018 19:47:27 GMT
This could create another bully situation
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Post by Aj_June on May 1, 2018 19:51:34 GMT
This could create another bully situation That is true. I wouldn't deny that.
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Post by gadreel on May 1, 2018 19:53:21 GMT
violence begets violence, he was 100% in the wrong.
Having said that I have a daughter and I understand the emotional reaction, I am not convinced I would have acted differently.
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Post by Cinemachinery on May 1, 2018 20:41:24 GMT
I get it, but the dad made a dumb move.
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Post by Eva Yojimbo on May 2, 2018 6:42:28 GMT
While I completely sympathize with what the dad felt his actions were both wrong and illegal. The problem is that we need a system that's better at disciplining bullies, and if that means eventually removing them from the school because they can't control themselves, then that's what needs to be done. Children need to feel free to go to teachers and others in authority with such issues and have something substantial be done about it so that no parent would ever feel compelled to take the matter into their own hands (no pun intended) like this. Hi Eva, I totally understand that one should follow the system. For that I do believe that the father should have gone to school authorities or parents of the bully boy rather than confront the boy himself. That said I have a different take on this statement by you. "Children need to feel free to go to teachers and others in authority with such issues and have something substantial be done". First when it comes to bullying (especially true for a bullied child) it's not always a matter of what one should do. A child could scared so much that one is not able to do a lot. That is complain about the bullying. Fear can cause a person to suffer bullying. Further it is not always helpful to go to authorities. From my own experience teachers sometimes do not believe you even when you are true. Let's take another example of bullying from the same province of Australia that led to suicide of a child just recently. This once again proves that authorities are not always helpful. I absolutely agree with you here, which is why I said things need to be done to change things. We need to teach kids to report any and all bullying to the authorities. Schools need to have a no tolerance policy and all claims need to be treated seriously and teachers need to keep extra watch on both the alleged victims and bullies, and bullies need strong discipline the moment there's proof of what they're doing. It's a shame this isn't already being done and there are tragic stories like the one you posted.
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