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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2018 13:22:36 GMT
Just thought I would share this. Who do you think is going to be the new ally on Oliver's team? On top of that think about what I just wrote, team. Oliver has no team at the moment to have another ally on it so do you think this means the team is going to get back together or are we going to see Oliver form a new team now and we will finally see the Huntress and Ragman return like Marc was talking about last year? I think the new member is going to Arsenal. It makes perfect sense to bring him back now especially with him becoming a regular next season. Arrow Season 6 Finale Synopsis Promises an ‘Epic Final Battle’www.cbr.com/arrow-season-6-finale-synopsis/
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Post by General Kenobi on May 1, 2018 16:49:40 GMT
You know me. Every time they announce a new character I hold out hope that it's going to be Frankenstein.
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2018 14:02:42 GMT
You know me. Every time they announce a new character I hold out hope that it's going to be Frankenstein. Frankenstein would be fun to have on the show but I am not sure if they have the rights to use the character. I feel they really missed out on a chance to do something with Solomon Grundy and they could have brought him back in his massive zombie form like in the Arkham games and had him destroying Star City and Oliver and the team have to stop him but they sadly wasted him and I am not sure if that was their decision or Warner Bros but I was disappointed. I have more news about the upcoming episodes of 'Arrow' and rather than start another new thread I thought I would share it here. Arrow Episode 6.22 Photos: The Ties That Bindwww.comingsoon.net/tv/news/944177-arrow-episode-6-22-photos-the-ties-that-bind#W711YK6O8dedWz1f.99
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Post by Larcen26 on May 9, 2018 20:29:06 GMT
Roy is an old ally. So is everyone else.
It's Black Siren.
They're going to start the final transition into making Laurel the "real" Black Canary. Part of me even thinks that Dinah will die at some point, and she will change her name. "Laurel was your friend, and I was Laurel when I was evil..I don't want to be Laurel anymore. And if Dinah can't be the Black Canary anymore, I can help honor her." Something like that.
And with the rest of the team set up as "The Outsiders" team Arrow will be Green Arrow and Black Canary like it's been so often in the books.
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Post by General Kenobi on May 10, 2018 13:14:35 GMT
If that's true then the Arrowverse Black Canary will have the most unnecessarily convulated origin on television.
I blame the Olicity fans for all this.
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Post by Larcen26 on May 10, 2018 16:48:36 GMT
If that's true then the Arrowverse Black Canary will have the most unnecessarily convulated origin on television. I blame the Olicity fans for all this.I blame the timid approach to the first season. They weren't sure how well the more "comic-booky" items would be taken, so they muted them. Plus they had the more "grounded" Dark Knight universe as their jumping off point. Not Green Arrow, but The Hood. Not Star City, but Starling City. Not Dinah Lance, but Laurel Lance. Laurel was a Lawyer and a spurned ex-love interest. They never quite knew what to do with her since they weren't embracing the comics, so she just ended up as a standard, bland "She can never know my secret" character. They tried a million other things to make her more interesting, (drinking problem, etc.) but they always had to build on that flawed base. The show was dragging and kinda dull, and then in came Felicity who added a spark of life to the show, which it needed. But then, she became the more interesting female character. (And hate on Olicity all you like, but everyone admits that she was vital to the show finding it's footing in the early seasons.) Then, in the second season, with the rousing success of the Marvel Films (Avengers came out the same year and cemented that the audience was there for true comic book entertainment) they started dipping their toe into that by introducing Black Canary, but obviously a more "realistic" version. Laurel wasn't the right character to be her yet, so in came Sarah, and Caity Lotz simply OWNED it. So now they were stuck with Felicity carrying the "personality" of the show, Thea as the rebel, and Sarah as the (ostensibly) perfect Black Canary. Leaving Laurel with little to do narratively. Now they have Dinah, who is probably the closest they have gotten to the comics Black Canary...but she is much more on the periphery than Canary should be in a Green Arrow show. It's true that it's convoluted, but it's the route they got drawn into.
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2018 13:59:26 GMT
If that's true then the Arrowverse Black Canary will have the most unnecessarily convulated origin on television. I blame the Olicity fans for all this.I blame the timid approach to the first season. They weren't sure how well the more "comic-booky" items would be taken, so they muted them. Plus they had the more "grounded" Dark Knight universe as their jumping off point. Not Green Arrow, but The Hood. Not Star City, but Starling City. Not Dinah Lance, but Laurel Lance. Laurel was a Lawyer and a spurned ex-love interest. They never quite knew what to do with her since they weren't embracing the comics, so she just ended up as a standard, bland "She can never know my secret" character. They tried a million other things to make her more interesting, (drinking problem, etc.) but they always had to build on that flawed base. The show was dragging and kinda dull, and then in came Felicity who added a spark of life to the show, which it needed. But then, she became the more interesting female character. (And hate on Olicity all you like, but everyone admits that she was vital to the show finding it's footing in the early seasons.) Then, in the second season, with the rousing success of the Marvel Films (Avengers came out the same year and cemented that the audience was there for true comic book entertainment) they started dipping their toe into that by introducing Black Canary, but obviously a more "realistic" version. Laurel wasn't the right character to be her yet, so in came Sarah, and Caity Lotz simply OWNED it. So now they were stuck with Felicity carrying the "personality" of the show, Thea as the rebel, and Sarah as the (ostensibly) perfect Black Canary. Leaving Laurel with little to do narratively. Now they have Dinah, who is probably the closest they have gotten to the comics Black Canary...but she is much more on the periphery than Canary should be in a Green Arrow show. It's true that it's convoluted, but it's the route they got drawn into. Ahh. I kinda have to disagree with you there on the Marvel films playing any part in the reason we got Black Canary. The whole reason 'Arrow' exists is 'cause of 'Smallville' and the popularity of the character on 'Smallville.' 'Arrow' was originally meant to be a 'Smallville' spinoff with Justin Hartley playing the title role as mentioned in the last few issues of 'Smallville' magazine but somewhere along the way the showrunners decided they wanted to start afresh without any connection to 'Smallville.' The Black Canary was in 'Smallville' with a lot of other DC superheroes like Zatanna, Booster Gold, Hawkman, Saturn Girl, Doctor Fate, Aquaman, Cyborg etc and their version was a lot more closer to the comic book version than Sara and Dinah Drake and saw her make Clark's ears bleed with the Canary Cry but due to the actresses working on two shows and getting pregnant when they had plans to use her more she wasn't featured in the show as much as they wanted. In 'Smallville' magazine they said Black Canary was supposed to be upgraded to a season regular in Season 9 but Alaina Huffman couldn't make a full time commitment to the show. I don't mind Sara but she is nowhere near as powerful or as good as a fighter as Black Canary is supposed to be. The awful adaption of 'Birds of Prey' got one thing right with Dinah Laurel Lance which was she has psychic powers and more powers than just the Canary Cry. Black Canary is supposed to be able to read minds, use the Canary Cry to move objects like telekinesis and launch herself into the sky and fly among other things. They have depowered the heck out of her in comparison to what she could do in 'Black Canary' and 'Birds of Prey' comic books and Sara has no powers at all which I feel was a mistake.
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Post by stargazer1682 on May 11, 2018 15:13:25 GMT
To be fair - and maybe they've brought it back with Rebirth - but from what I can find, Black Canary being telepathic was a one off power that was introduced and pretty much immediately forgotten. I had never heard of that or seen it in any comic I've read, and had to look it up; and according to this site, it happened like one time - www.cbr.com/black-canary-sonic-scream-telepathy/I can't find anything about her powers being telekinetic. For whatever it's worth, being Wikipedia and app, her wikipage describes her powers:
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Post by General Kenobi on May 11, 2018 15:26:38 GMT
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Post by Larcen26 on May 11, 2018 15:42:40 GMT
I blame the timid approach to the first season. They weren't sure how well the more "comic-booky" items would be taken, so they muted them. Plus they had the more "grounded" Dark Knight universe as their jumping off point. Not Green Arrow, but The Hood. Not Star City, but Starling City. Not Dinah Lance, but Laurel Lance. Laurel was a Lawyer and a spurned ex-love interest. They never quite knew what to do with her since they weren't embracing the comics, so she just ended up as a standard, bland "She can never know my secret" character. They tried a million other things to make her more interesting, (drinking problem, etc.) but they always had to build on that flawed base. The show was dragging and kinda dull, and then in came Felicity who added a spark of life to the show, which it needed. But then, she became the more interesting female character. (And hate on Olicity all you like, but everyone admits that she was vital to the show finding it's footing in the early seasons.) Then, in the second season, with the rousing success of the Marvel Films (Avengers came out the same year and cemented that the audience was there for true comic book entertainment) they started dipping their toe into that by introducing Black Canary, but obviously a more "realistic" version. Laurel wasn't the right character to be her yet, so in came Sarah, and Caity Lotz simply OWNED it. So now they were stuck with Felicity carrying the "personality" of the show, Thea as the rebel, and Sarah as the (ostensibly) perfect Black Canary. Leaving Laurel with little to do narratively. Now they have Dinah, who is probably the closest they have gotten to the comics Black Canary...but she is much more on the periphery than Canary should be in a Green Arrow show. It's true that it's convoluted, but it's the route they got drawn into. Ahh. I kinda have to disagree with you there on the Marvel films playing any part in the reason we got Black Canary. The whole reason 'Arrow' exists is 'cause of 'Smallville' and the popularity of the character on 'Smallville.' 'Arrow' was originally meant to be a 'Smallville' spinoff with Justin Hartley playing the title role as mentioned in the last few issues of 'Smallville' magazine but somewhere along the way the showrunners decided they wanted to start afresh without any connection to 'Smallville.' The Black Canary was in 'Smallville' with a lot of other DC superheroes like Zatanna, Booster Gold, Hawkman, Saturn Girl, Doctor Fate, Aquaman, Cyborg etc and their version was a lot more closer to the comic book version than Sara and Dinah Drake and saw her make Clark's ears bleed with the Canary Cry but due to the actresses working on two shows and getting pregnant when they had plans to use her more she wasn't featured in the show as much as they wanted. In 'Smallville' magazine they said Black Canary was supposed to be upgraded to a season regular in Season 9 but Alaina Huffman couldn't make a full time commitment to the show. I don't mind Sara but she is nowhere near as powerful or as good as a fighter as Black Canary is supposed to be. The awful adaption of 'Birds of Prey' got one thing right with Dinah Laurel Lance which was she has psychic powers and more powers than just the Canary Cry. Black Canary is supposed to be able to read minds, use the Canary Cry to move objects like telekinesis and launch herself into the sky and fly among other things. They have depowered the heck out of her in comparison to what she could do in 'Black Canary' and 'Birds of Prey' comic books and Sara has no powers at all which I feel was a mistake. Yeah, I'm with the other people here...Canary has never had the ability to read minds and to the best I can tell, never used it as telekenesis either. And Sara is a trained assassin from the League of Assassins, she is most definitely a caliber of fighter equal to how Canary is shown in the comics.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2018 12:21:53 GMT
Nothing against Sara but no, she is not on the same level as the Black Canary. The Black Canary’s one of the most highly skilled martial artists in the DC Universe and she was trained in Boxing, Judo, Suri-Te, and Wing Chun and she is an expert motorcyclist who can also catch arrows in flight. None of the Black Canary’s in ‘Arrow’, ‘Smallville’ or ‘Birds of Prey’ have been anywhere near the fighter she is in the comic books and to quote she has “built herself up, step by step into one of the most formidable fighters in the world, outclassing heavyweights like Batman and stepping into the rarefied tier of Richard Dragon and Lady Shiva and “Black Canary’s commitment to training is incredibly strict; she has dedicated her life to the mastery of a number of martial arts and is considered one of the foremost hand-to-hand combatants in the entire DC Universe. She has bested both Batman and Lady Shiva at different times, who by traditional wisdom are considered the greatest non-powered fighters.”
hopeburnsbright.wordpress.com/2015/02/06/the-new-years-52-black-canary/
modernmythologies.wordpress.com/2015/04/08/the-hard-road/
The Black Canary has taken down dozens of armed thugs by herself on many occasions and she was able to escape and still fight after she was tied up with two broken legs in ‘Birds of Prey: Of Like Minds” by breaking her thumbs. That is not even mentioning the caliber of the villains she has defeated on her own in the comic books and if Sara was on the same level as Dinah in the comic books she would have been able to take down Vandal Savage, Damian Dhark, Malcolm Merlyn, Reverse Flash, Mallus and other villains on ‘DC’s Legends of Tomorrow’ on her own. The Black Canary is also meant to be a LOT stronger which none of the Canaries have been portrayed as and her Canary Cry is meant to be around three hundred decibels which can "turn people into red smears and topple skyscrapers" which is why she doesn't use it as often as she could. tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/ComicBook/BlackCanary
The Black Canary flies and flies multiple times in the 'Birds of Prey' New 52 series and has flown before that. The instances the Black Canary has been able to read minds are rare but she was able to do it here for example and it was used again in one of the 'Birds of Prey' comic books but I will have to go through more of my comic books before I add it on here. I never said the Black Canary has telekinesis. What I meant is she can use her Canary Cry to move objects out of the way like telekinesis. I will have more images to share the next time I am on.
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Post by dazz on May 16, 2018 7:01:51 GMT
Nothing against Sara but no, she is not on the same level as the Black Canary. The Black Canary’s one of the most highly skilled martial artists in the DC Universe and she was trained in Boxing, Judo, Suri-Te, and Wing Chun and she is an expert motorcyclist who can also catch arrows in flight. None of the Black Canary’s in ‘Arrow’, ‘Smallville’ or ‘Birds of Prey’ have been anywhere near the fighter she is in the comic books and to quote she has “built herself up, step by step into one of the most formidable fighters in the world, outclassing heavyweights like Batman and stepping into the rarefied tier of Richard Dragon and Lady Shiva and “Black Canary’s commitment to training is incredibly strict; she has dedicated her life to the mastery of a number of martial arts and is considered one of the foremost hand-to-hand combatants in the entire DC Universe. She has bested both Batman and Lady Shiva at different times, who by traditional wisdom are considered the greatest non-powered fighters.”
hopeburnsbright.wordpress.com/2015/02/06/the-new-years-52-black-canary/
modernmythologies.wordpress.com/2015/04/08/the-hard-road/
The Black Canary has taken down dozens of armed thugs by herself on many occasions and she was able to escape and still fight after she was tied up with two broken legs in ‘Birds of Prey: Of Like Minds” by breaking her thumbs. That is not even mentioning the caliber of the villains she has defeated on her own in the comic books and if Sara was on the same level as Dinah in the comic books she would have been able to take down Vandal Savage, Damian Dhark, Malcolm Merlyn, Reverse Flash, Mallus and other villains on ‘DC’s Legends of Tomorrow’ on her own. The Black Canary is also meant to be a LOT stronger which none of the Canaries have been portrayed as and her Canary Cry is meant to be around three hundred decibels which can "turn people into red smears and topple skyscrapers" which is why she doesn't use it as often as she could. tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/ComicBook/BlackCanary
Too be fair Deb every superhero is underplayed in their live action adaptations because the comics go OTT on everyone, Superman's strong enough to move planets in some issues, Hulk can rip worlds in half, Batman can somehow survive against the likes of Superman, Wonder woman & Flash when shit goes sideways despite their being no hope in hell he could last more than 2 seconds against any of the JL's big guns.
I mean Batman is meant to be the worlds greatest detective & intimidating figure but in the best Batman films he's barely smart let alone a great detective and he's less threatening more laughable with that stupid voice bullshit, just gotta learn to appreciate what we get an not pine for what we want, unless it's stupid writing in which case moan like fuck I know I do.
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Post by General Kenobi on May 16, 2018 19:16:55 GMT
Yeah, changes are always made from one medium to the next and superhero power levels are always decreased in film and television. As long as it's not handled badly, this does not bother me.
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2018 11:20:48 GMT
Too be fair Deb every superhero is underplayed in their live action adaptations because the comics go OTT on everyone, Superman's strong enough to move planets in some issues, Hulk can rip worlds in half, Batman can somehow survive against the likes of Superman, Wonder woman & Flash when shit goes sideways despite their being no hope in hell he could last more than 2 seconds against any of the JL's big guns.
I mean Batman is meant to be the worlds greatest detective & intimidating figure but in the best Batman films he's barely smart let alone a great detective and he's less threatening more laughable with that stupid voice bullshit, just gotta learn to appreciate what we get an not pine for what we want, unless it's stupid writing in which case moan like fuck I know I do.
Yeah. You’re right. They are but the problem with the Black Canary in live action adaptions is she has been turned down from 100 to 25 and is nowhere near the level of skilled fighter she is supposed to be and if they had done the same thing they have done to the Black Canary to Batman and Superman they wouldn't have become popular on screen. While Dinah was an improvement over Laurel as the Black Canary and was given more screen time last season she is often portrayed as a barely competent fighter who can’t do any of the moves Black Canary could do when she is fighting villains in the comic books (Sara while a better skilled fighter doesn’t either) and struggles enough to take random henchmen down by herself and has to have the team with her every time. The writers of ‘Arrow’ have taken the Black Canary from being one of the greatest martial artists in the DC universe and made her into a novice.
Hopefully they will fix that in the ‘Birds of Prey’ movie and we will see a proper Black Canary that can fight on a level that is closer to what she is supposed to be on and they have no problem having hundreds of Jean Claude Van Damme and Steven Segal movies where they are fighting on a similar level and are able to take down multiple armed thugs before they can even move and Black Canary shoulld be no different and neither should Batgirl, The Huntress, Lady Blackhawk or any of the other superheroes they use in it. I agree with you about Batman and that is another one of the reasons I haven’t been a big fan of most of the live action adaptions of Batman apart from the lack of the Bat Family. I think Batman should be a detective in the movies and work with the GCPD like he does in the comics instead of being some masked vigilante. They have done this in the Arkham games) which had detective work in them) and it can be done in live action.
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Post by General Kenobi on May 19, 2018 19:13:46 GMT
Did anyone see the epic battle they promised? Because the one I saw was anticlimactic.
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Post by dazz on May 19, 2018 22:41:19 GMT
Yeah I mean the opening was pretty good but still not some epic blow off, this show needs to zip it with the over the top proclamations, ever since they promised a single cut action scene which would be the greatest thing ever and would top Daredevil's the just keep laying it on thick and falling not just short but straight down right on their arses with this shit.
Seems stupid also because by overhyping stuff you raise expectations and this show just cant compete with the top quality products out their, their budgets too low, times too short, resources to limited and workload to big to do it, just sticking to hyping the fun of things because that way no one can call you out for lying about filming one of the most fun scenes we ever filmed because sure may look shit to me but how do I know they didn't have a blast filming some random warehouse fight?
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Post by General Kenobi on May 20, 2018 13:08:16 GMT
Yep. They have ambitions but the inability to fully realize their dreams. Yet they believe they have and think if they hype it up enough we'll believe it too.
Unfortunately they are wrong.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2018 11:39:27 GMT
Did anyone see the epic battle they promised? Because the one I saw was anticlimactic. Yeah. There was nothing really ‘epic’ about that battle and it just ended with Black Siren using her Canary Cry on Ricardo Diaz and sending him in the water and Oliver finding out the body was missing later but I didn’t think the opening was that bad as Dazz pointed out above and I think it would have been better if they had kept that until the end. I also think it would have been better if they killed off Quinton in battle or had Ricardo shoot him in the head in front of Black Siren ‘cause the way they had him die in hospital was too much like the way Laurel died. The worst part was Marc saying the Huntress and Ragman were going to return in the second half of the season and they were nowhere to be seen.
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Post by General Kenobi on Jun 13, 2018 12:59:50 GMT
I wasn't surprised. Marc is a known liar and full of shit.
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Post by dazz on Jun 13, 2018 14:26:10 GMT
Did anyone see the epic battle they promised? Because the one I saw was anticlimactic. Yeah. There was nothing really ‘epic’ about that battle and it just ended with Black Siren using her Canary Cry on Ricardo Diaz and sending him in the water and Oliver finding out the body was missing later but I didn’t think the opening was that bad as Dazz pointed out above and I think it would have been better if they had kept that until the end. I also think it would have been better if they killed off Quinton in battle or had Ricardo shoot him in the head in front of Black Siren ‘cause the way they had him die in hospital was too much like the way Laurel died. The worst part was Marc saying the Huntress and Ragman were going to return in the second half of the season and they were nowhere to be seen. That final battle was so dumb, Siren also was such a twat, surely at this point she knows her screams are not lethal unless prolonged, imo that scene would have been so much better if she had used her scream to basically kneecap Diaz, knock him face down then stands on his hand as she threatens to do to him what she did to Vigilante, Oliver who she knocked out with a scream pleads with her not to do this, which she relents to then as she leaves Diaz goads her which is when she screams and sends him into the river whilst shattering any light or window and coms for like 1/4 mile, make the scream she used seem powerful show how dangerous she can be with it but show hopes of her turning more, as it was it came across lame, she looked dumb and progressed the story nowhere, it didn't even fake us out into thinking Diaz was dead so what was the point of it?
The promise of Huntress & Ragman wasn't the worst let down as Arrow has routinely fucked up major guest spots, but they have had a history of producing some good action for some of their finales so promising an epic throw down just to give us that is imo more a let down, but that's just me.
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