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Post by dazz on Aug 30, 2018 13:09:34 GMT
I think F4 is the oddest situation that gets overlooked a lot because F4 wasn't originally licensed to Fox they were licensed to someone else who then licensed them to Fox, which how contracts and shit work could mean even with Disney acquiring Fox they don't acquire the film rights right away, but ultimately will get them back because Fox wont do anything with the property in the next year, which if then when Fox is fully absorbed by Disney the rights revert to whoever owns the rights they have like 6-12 months to sell the rights to someone else, get a script made, cast the film, get a director and so on, all of which Disney could hold up by contesting the rights to run out the clock, and also who is going to want to risk doing the F4 at this point other than Marvel who actually own all the toys you want to really make a different F4 film, and who have the rights to do anything they want with them.
Adam Warlock I think is back with Marvel because he's where Gunn was headed for GOTG Vol 3, which is why he wasn't in IW. again it's Disney they own it so they can alter the stories however they feel, they don't have to stick to outlines, but his character was set up in a post credit scene of GOTG Vol 2.
As for Namor I have no clue, could just be a thing of Disney being like nah fuck it he's too similar to Aquaman for the general public to distinguish between them, or they just haven't felt ready to introduce him yet, I mean you think they only introduced magic magic into the MCU 2 years ago, and that was leading into IW, Marvel are smart enough to know they don't want to throw everything into the mix at once because it can overwhelm people, Namor maybe the key to Avengers 5 for all we know, but their not announcing it now because they don't want to take focus off of Avengers 4.
You’re right. It does sound like there is a strange situation going on at the moment with the Fantastic Four’s movie rights and it would be weird if Marvel got the film rights for the ‘X Men’ but had to wait longer to get their hands on ‘The Fantastic Four’ and I am surprised Disney haven’t taken over things themselves and made an offer to the other person who is licensing ‘The Fantastic Four’ to Fox ‘cause surely if they could buy the rights off that person they should be able to use the Fantastic Four when they acquire the X Men and other characters unless that person is a big fan of the Fantastic Four and wants to hold on to the movie rights so they are involved in future movies or they want more money from Disney than they are willing to pay. Whatever it is it seems strange and I don’t understand why it takes Disney so long to absorb Fox and why it can’t be done in one day.
What are they doing? From the look of things a lot of the Marvel movies Fox was making have been put on hold now and we were supposed to get two ‘X Men’ movies this year but by the time the next ‘X Men’ movie comes out Disney could already own Fox and if they are going to release part one and Disney scraps the second part of ‘Dark Phoenix’ for a reboot then what is the point of even making a first part and perhaps they should put that on the backburner for now. I am confused over just how much of the rights for the ‘X Men’ and ‘The Fantastic Four’ Fox actually own ‘cause Marvel can make animated shows of them but could they make Live Action TV Shows? Some might disagree but I feel X Men would be better suited to being a Live Action TV show than a movie ‘cause there are so many X Men they just don’t have time to cover in movies they could cover in a TV show and villains and storylines.
A few years ago there was talk about ABC making an ‘X Men’ TV show which was going to have new actors playing the roles but not long after that ‘Legion’ was announced and nothing against that but a proper ‘X Men’ Live Action TV Show could have been heaps better and if DC can have two different versions of their characters in movies and TV shows why not an ‘X Men’ TV show? It would be bound to get ratings and if done right could give lots of other superhero shows a run for their money and as movies alone the whole property just feels wasted ‘cause there is so much more they could do with them. Thanks for letting me know about Adam Warlock and it sounds like you are onto something with Namor. God knows I don't think Disney owns the rights to LA X-Men at all right now, they did Mutant X not long after they sold X-Men to Fox and then Fox sued them because they felt it encroached on their rights, so Mutant X wasn't allowed to reference X-Men properly or something.
Also the stipulations and restrictions change with every negotiation, at some point Fox had no right to make an X-Men TV show of any sort, but I think during the negasonic/ego trade Fox negotiated TV rights, Disney likely realised they weren't getting X-Men back regardless and any non-Marvel studios project needs to bring in Marvel regardless so they were proably like fuck it it's a free payday, which is why we got The Girfted & Legion so close together after almost 20 years of Fox owning X-Men.
I know licensing became an issue after Disney brought Marvel, seemingly as another means to pressure the studios to give back the IP's because we got tie in games and stuff for the films prior to the purchase of MArvel, but in the last decade we got nothing, but also Fox didn't have the rights for merchandising that stuck with Marvel, which is why Disney & WB are in a better position with their films, they can release a bo bomb and make money just due to the added awareness of the character can boost toy & comic sales, where as Spidey, X-Men & F4 need BO success to validate their ongoing existence.
The merger is an odd thing I assume it takes so long because they need to kind of go through the who and why people stay or leave, what exactly will remain functioning and what wont, as for Dark Phoenix I don't even know if it being 2 movies is confirmed or not, seems more like speculation, but then that makes no sense, if it was called Phoenix on it's own maybe, because the story is that the Phoenix sage then the Dark Phoenix sage, it's not Dark Phoenix 1 & 2, so seems more like speculation imo, I still have no clue what the hell New Mutants is getting pushed back for though.
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Post by stargazer1682 on Aug 30, 2018 22:55:04 GMT
Part of it's the legal gymnastics of, does this constitute a monopoly or violate anti-trust laws? Are there other legal concerns? Last I read the latest hold up was an objection by a FOX shareholder, compounded by a counter buy-out offer by some other company (Comcast?)
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Post by General Kenobi on Sept 1, 2018 12:07:18 GMT
Yeah Comcast dropped out and the shareholders approved of the merger. With I think one holdout who eventually gave in.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2018 12:42:03 GMT
Part of it's the legal gymnastics of, does this constitute a monopoly or violate anti-trust laws? Are there other legal concerns? Last I read the latest hold up was an objection by a FOX shareholder, compounded by a counter buy-out offer by some other company (Comcast?) tbh i dont understand why some of these mergers are being approved. Disney buying a major part of Fox, and warner + AT&T
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Post by stargazer1682 on Sept 1, 2018 13:48:06 GMT
Part of it's the legal gymnastics of, does this constitute a monopoly or violate anti-trust laws? Are there other legal concerns? Last I read the latest hold up was an objection by a FOX shareholder, compounded by a counter buy-out offer by some other company (Comcast?) tbh i dont understand why some of these mergers are being approved. Disney buying a major part of Fox, and warner + AT&T My impression has been that Congress tends to have these deals, as they typically seem to favor corporate interests, regardless of party. Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe I'm just cynical. I don't know, but I can't think of the last time I heard of them squashing a merger. It's possible it's not as newsworthy. Where's Teddy Roosevelt when you need him?
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Post by dazz on Sept 1, 2018 14:14:57 GMT
I thought they could only block a merger and such based on anti-monopoly laws, so that as long as the company created by such mergers don't consist of being the only game in town they kind of have to leave them to do so, so even though a Fox/Disney merger if last years BO and stuff were used as an example make up the majority of the BO and the largest total of films and such produced so long as Paramount, Sony, WB, Universal and such make up a significant portion of the movie business or majority of the movie releases, as powerful as the new Disney would be they don't own all of the industry so they cant block them.
Which is why Disney cannot acquire the Fox Sports channels or Fox News even if they wanted to because their own brands for both genre's make up the majority of competition and would create monopolys in those fields for Disney.
Than again I maybe wrong as lot of this stuff is beyond me, plus im very sleepy.
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Post by General Kenobi on Sept 1, 2018 14:44:50 GMT
Well it's all very complicated and in some ways counter intuitive. So unless you're well versed in copyright law you might get flummoxed by the whole rigmarole.
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Post by stargazer1682 on Sept 1, 2018 16:30:32 GMT
I thought they could only block a merger and such based on anti-monopoly laws, so that as long as the company created by such mergers don't consist of being the only game in town they kind of have to leave them to do so, so even though a Fox/Disney merger if last years BO and stuff were used as an example make up the majority of the BO and the largest total of films and such produced so long as Paramount, Sony, WB, Universal and such make up a significant portion of the movie business or majority of the movie releases, as powerful as the new Disney would be they don't own all of the industry so they cant block them. Which is why Disney cannot acquire the Fox Sports channels or Fox News even if they wanted to because their own brands for both genre's make up the majority of competition and would create monopolys in those fields for Disney. Than again I maybe wrong as lot of this stuff is beyond me, plus im very sleepy. It's hard to tell. Like you touched on, Disney is already flirting close enough to certain lines that would preclude them from purchasing the broadcast network in its entirety; and like cjdull76 said, it's complicated. I would even doubt those that do know more can really say, because there's no doubt for various arguments to be made for or against such a merger. I don't think they have to be the only game in town though, so to speak; even if their competition were prominent, I think those laws may be applicable if one company becomes so disproportionately powerful, as to hold an inequitable influence over their industry. I mean, imagine the sort of products this new, larger Disney Corporation will be able to churn out and what the other production companies could try to match against it. They could have Mickey Mouse fight Thanos with a lightsaber, then ride off on a motorcyle with Wolverine to get a rub down from Snow White if they wanted to. The other studios can and no doubt will continue to put out movies and shows in direct competition with "21st Century Disney," and they may even do well; they may even perform better from Disney, from time to time, but on the whole Disney will more likely do better and keep doing better on average, dominating through sheer volume. It's the same reason congress investigated Microsoft for being a monopoly, and I believe concluded they were; not because there weren't any serious contenders - although it was admittedly before the Apple renaissance of the early aughts - but rather because even the most successful competitors in that field paled in contrast to the grip Microsoft had.
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Post by General Kenobi on Sept 1, 2018 17:25:31 GMT
Then again if you're as wealthy as Disney you can buy of Congress to alter copyright in their favor. As they have done since 1997 with the Copyright Term Extension Act, which effectively froze properties from entering the public domain. Just so Mickey Mouse could remain out of public usage.
Or getting a trademark on Snow White from the U.S. Patent and Trademark office that gives them sole right over all live and recorded movie, television, radio, stage, computer, Internet, news, and photographic entertainment uses of the name Snow White. Only literary works of fiction and nonfiction are exempt.
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You’re right. It does sound like there is a strange situation going on at the moment with the Fantastic Four’s movie rights and it would be weird if Marvel got the film rights for the ‘X Men’ but had to wait longer to get their hands on ‘The Fantastic Four’ and I am surprised Disney haven’t taken over things themselves and made an offer to the other person who is licensing ‘The Fantastic Four’ to Fox ‘cause surely if they could buy the rights off that person they should be able to use the Fantastic Four when they acquire the X Men and other characters unless that person is a big fan of the Fantastic Four and wants to hold on to the movie rights so they are involved in future movies or they want more money from Disney than they are willing to pay. Whatever it is it seems strange and I don’t understand why it takes Disney so long to absorb Fox and why it can’t be done in one day.
What are they doing? From the look of things a lot of the Marvel movies Fox was making have been put on hold now and we were supposed to get two ‘X Men’ movies this year but by the time the next ‘X Men’ movie comes out Disney could already own Fox and if they are going to release part one and Disney scraps the second part of ‘Dark Phoenix’ for a reboot then what is the point of even making a first part and perhaps they should put that on the backburner for now. I am confused over just how much of the rights for the ‘X Men’ and ‘The Fantastic Four’ Fox actually own ‘cause Marvel can make animated shows of them but could they make Live Action TV Shows? Some might disagree but I feel X Men would be better suited to being a Live Action TV show than a movie ‘cause there are so many X Men they just don’t have time to cover in movies they could cover in a TV show and villains and storylines.
A few years ago there was talk about ABC making an ‘X Men’ TV show which was going to have new actors playing the roles but not long after that ‘Legion’ was announced and nothing against that but a proper ‘X Men’ Live Action TV Show could have been heaps better and if DC can have two different versions of their characters in movies and TV shows why not an ‘X Men’ TV show? It would be bound to get ratings and if done right could give lots of other superhero shows a run for their money and as movies alone the whole property just feels wasted ‘cause there is so much more they could do with them. Thanks for letting me know about Adam Warlock and it sounds like you are onto something with Namor. God knows I don't think Disney owns the rights to LA X-Men at all right now, they did Mutant X not long after they sold X-Men to Fox and then Fox sued them because they felt it encroached on their rights, so Mutant X wasn't allowed to reference X-Men properly or something.
Also the stipulations and restrictions change with every negotiation, at some point Fox had no right to make an X-Men TV show of any sort, but I think during the negasonic/ego trade Fox negotiated TV rights, Disney likely realised they weren't getting X-Men back regardless and any non-Marvel studios project needs to bring in Marvel regardless so they were proably like fuck it it's a free payday, which is why we got The Girfted & Legion so close together after almost 20 years of Fox owning X-Men.
I know licensing became an issue after Disney brought Marvel, seemingly as another means to pressure the studios to give back the IP's because we got tie in games and stuff for the films prior to the purchase of MArvel, but in the last decade we got nothing, but also Fox didn't have the rights for merchandising that stuck with Marvel, which is why Disney & WB are in a better position with their films, they can release a bo bomb and make money just due to the added awareness of the character can boost toy & comic sales, where as Spidey, X-Men & F4 need BO success to validate their ongoing existence.
The merger is an odd thing I assume it takes so long because they need to kind of go through the who and why people stay or leave, what exactly will remain functioning and what wont, as for Dark Phoenix I don't even know if it being 2 movies is confirmed or not, seems more like speculation, but then that makes no sense, if it was called Phoenix on it's own maybe, because the story is that the Phoenix sage then the Dark Phoenix sage, it's not Dark Phoenix 1 & 2, so seems more like speculation imo, I still have no clue what the hell New Mutants is getting pushed back for though.
No. It doesn’t look like they do but the future of the ‘X Men’ is very confusing at the moment and it’s currently unknown if a lot of the movies Fox have been planning are going to go through or not and I can see why fans of those movies wouldn’t be impressed. Right now we have sites telling people not to get too excited over movies like ‘Gambit’, ‘New Mutants’ and ‘Kitty Pride’ ‘cause there is a chance none of them will go through and the delay of ‘New Mutants’ may have something to do with Disney and they might not want Fox making a movie of them and want to adapt them themselves when the deal is finished so they can make them a part of the MCU. At this point if Disney are going to reboot the ‘X Men’ movies when Marvel gets the rights back they might as well make ‘Dark Phoenix’ the final movie and have a proper ending.
That does explain why Fox didn’t make an ‘X-Men’ TV show for so long and adapting ‘The Gifted’ and ‘Legion’ over a proper ‘X Men’ Live Action TV Show with all the big name characters was most likely a decision by Fox who much like Warner Bros with Batman wanted to keep those characters to movies only but with the amount of X-Men there is it feels like they wasted a lot of them to me and having a few X Men appear in ‘The Gifted’ like Rogue (who been talked about before due to her connection to Stephen Moyer) wouldn’t hurt in my opinion especially if they have no plans to use those characters in the movies and it would help give ‘The Gifted’ some big names and get more fans watching who have been waiting to see more X Men who may never appear in any of the X Men movies.
If the ‘Gambit’ movie isn’t going to go through anymore due to the Disney deal where is the harm in having a fully powered Rogue turn up in ‘The Gifted’ with Gambit for an episode? Most fans already know of Rogue and Gambit’s relationship even though we didn’t get to see it in any of the live action ‘X Men’ movies ‘cause they made Rogue so young and didn’t have Gambit but if ‘The Gifted’ is set in the future they should be able to pull things off like that and they can use Anna one more time since Rogue will supposed to be older in that timeline. I heard about the problems with Mutant X and how they got sued over it and I don’t understand why Fox had such a problem with that show since cjdull76 even said before the head of the company didn’t care that much about the X Men and wanted to drop them for 'The Fantastic Four' but perhaps they just wanted to get money out of them.
I don't think it was ever officially confirmed by Fox 'Dark Phoenix' was going to be a two parter but various sites were saying it was going to be and even if word came from Fox it would be hard to believe now looking at how long they have messed around with making the 'Gambit' movie and 'Gambit' could and should have came out before 'Deadpool' but I don't think it is being viewed as a priority.
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Post by dazz on Sept 17, 2018 9:11:17 GMT
God knows I don't think Disney owns the rights to LA X-Men at all right now, they did Mutant X not long after they sold X-Men to Fox and then Fox sued them because they felt it encroached on their rights, so Mutant X wasn't allowed to reference X-Men properly or something.
Also the stipulations and restrictions change with every negotiation, at some point Fox had no right to make an X-Men TV show of any sort, but I think during the negasonic/ego trade Fox negotiated TV rights, Disney likely realised they weren't getting X-Men back regardless and any non-Marvel studios project needs to bring in Marvel regardless so they were proably like fuck it it's a free payday, which is why we got The Girfted & Legion so close together after almost 20 years of Fox owning X-Men.
I know licensing became an issue after Disney brought Marvel, seemingly as another means to pressure the studios to give back the IP's because we got tie in games and stuff for the films prior to the purchase of MArvel, but in the last decade we got nothing, but also Fox didn't have the rights for merchandising that stuck with Marvel, which is why Disney & WB are in a better position with their films, they can release a bo bomb and make money just due to the added awareness of the character can boost toy & comic sales, where as Spidey, X-Men & F4 need BO success to validate their ongoing existence.
The merger is an odd thing I assume it takes so long because they need to kind of go through the who and why people stay or leave, what exactly will remain functioning and what wont, as for Dark Phoenix I don't even know if it being 2 movies is confirmed or not, seems more like speculation, but then that makes no sense, if it was called Phoenix on it's own maybe, because the story is that the Phoenix sage then the Dark Phoenix sage, it's not Dark Phoenix 1 & 2, so seems more like speculation imo, I still have no clue what the hell New Mutants is getting pushed back for though.
No. It doesn’t look like they do but the future of the ‘X Men’ is very confusing at the moment and it’s currently unknown if a lot of the movies Fox have been planning are going to go through or not and I can see why fans of those movies wouldn’t be impressed. Right now we have sites telling people not to get too excited over movies like ‘Gambit’, ‘New Mutants’ and ‘Kitty Pride’ ‘cause there is a chance none of them will go through and the delay of ‘New Mutants’ may have something to do with Disney and they might not want Fox making a movie of them and want to adapt them themselves when the deal is finished so they can make them a part of the MCU. At this point if Disney are going to reboot the ‘X Men’ movies when Marvel gets the rights back they might as well make ‘Dark Phoenix’ the final movie and have a proper ending.
That does explain why Fox didn’t make an ‘X-Men’ TV show for so long and adapting ‘The Gifted’ and ‘Legion’ over a proper ‘X Men’ Live Action TV Show with all the big name characters was most likely a decision by Fox who much like Warner Bros with Batman wanted to keep those characters to movies only but with the amount of X-Men there is it feels like they wasted a lot of them to me and having a few X Men appear in ‘The Gifted’ like Rogue (who been talked about before due to her connection to Stephen Moyer) wouldn’t hurt in my opinion especially if they have no plans to use those characters in the movies and it would help give ‘The Gifted’ some big names and get more fans watching who have been waiting to see more X Men who may never appear in any of the X Men movies.
If the ‘Gambit’ movie isn’t going to go through anymore due to the Disney deal where is the harm in having a fully powered Rogue turn up in ‘The Gifted’ with Gambit for an episode? Most fans already know of Rogue and Gambit’s relationship even though we didn’t get to see it in any of the live action ‘X Men’ movies ‘cause they made Rogue so young and didn’t have Gambit but if ‘The Gifted’ is set in the future they should be able to pull things off like that and they can use Anna one more time since Rogue will supposed to be older in that timeline. I heard about the problems with Mutant X and how they got sued over it and I don’t understand why Fox had such a problem with that show since cjdull76 even said before the head of the company didn’t care that much about the X Men and wanted to drop them for 'The Fantastic Four' but perhaps they just wanted to get money out of them.
I don't think it was ever officially confirmed by Fox 'Dark Phoenix' was going to be a two parter but various sites were saying it was going to be and even if word came from Fox it would be hard to believe now looking at how long they have messed around with making the 'Gambit' movie and 'Gambit' could and should have came out before 'Deadpool' but I don't think it is being viewed as a priority. I think Disney would want to hold off on introducing any new characters or old characters currently in stasis that they have an intention of using going forward, I think most of us saw how confused the normies got at first at the idea that the MCU Spidey wasn't the same as TASM, they need time to pass for them to naturally accept ok this is a different version of the character of the bat.
Also I don't know if they could use Anna in The Gifted, that muddies the shows timeline and the general X-Men timeline greater, because the X-timeline is one of the most fucked up timelines in movies, outside of maybe Terminator.
I think the suing Marvel over Mutant X was more a reaction to Fox feeling like they got played they pay millions for X-Men make a hit movie then Marvel goes and makes a cheap TV version with someone else, it's the age old story, just because I don't want to play with my toys doesn't mean I am ok with you using them and mucking them up, plus maybe Fox was hoodwinked and thought they owned the exclusive live action rights outright, but then Marvel is like no we just gave you the movie rights, TV is still ours suckers.
God knows about Gambit, I mean a lot of people say he's not a stand alone character that can sustain a movie, which maybe true, I dunno I just know I loved him in TAS, heres a question Deb when Disney relaunch X-Men what line up do you want to see? personally I would like to see the animated series line up, just because it's what I got introduced to first, minus Wolverine that character needs some downtime imo.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2018 14:44:13 GMT
Then again if you're as wealthy as Disney you can buy of Congress to alter copyright in their favor. As they have done since 1997 with the Copyright Term Extension Act, which effectively froze properties from entering the public domain. Just so Mickey Mouse could remain out of public usage. Or getting a trademark on Snow White from the U.S. Patent and Trademark office that gives them sole right over all live and recorded movie, television, radio, stage, computer, Internet, news, and photographic entertainment uses of the name Snow White. Only literary works of fiction and nonfiction are exempt. One major film studio is actually infamous for hiring ex-government officials, so they have favourable legal conditions. Cant remember which one though, could be Comcast
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2018 15:01:00 GMT
God knows I don't think Disney owns the rights to LA X-Men at all right now, they did Mutant X not long after they sold X-Men to Fox and then Fox sued them because they felt it encroached on their rights, so Mutant X wasn't allowed to reference X-Men properly or something.
Also the stipulations and restrictions change with every negotiation, at some point Fox had no right to make an X-Men TV show of any sort, but I think during the negasonic/ego trade Fox negotiated TV rights, Disney likely realised they weren't getting X-Men back regardless and any non-Marvel studios project needs to bring in Marvel regardless so they were proably like fuck it it's a free payday, which is why we got The Girfted & Legion so close together after almost 20 years of Fox owning X-Men.
I know licensing became an issue after Disney brought Marvel, seemingly as another means to pressure the studios to give back the IP's because we got tie in games and stuff for the films prior to the purchase of MArvel, but in the last decade we got nothing, but also Fox didn't have the rights for merchandising that stuck with Marvel, which is why Disney & WB are in a better position with their films, they can release a bo bomb and make money just due to the added awareness of the character can boost toy & comic sales, where as Spidey, X-Men & F4 need BO success to validate their ongoing existence.
The merger is an odd thing I assume it takes so long because they need to kind of go through the who and why people stay or leave, what exactly will remain functioning and what wont, as for Dark Phoenix I don't even know if it being 2 movies is confirmed or not, seems more like speculation, but then that makes no sense, if it was called Phoenix on it's own maybe, because the story is that the Phoenix sage then the Dark Phoenix sage, it's not Dark Phoenix 1 & 2, so seems more like speculation imo, I still have no clue what the hell New Mutants is getting pushed back for though.
No. It doesn’t look like they do but the future of the ‘X Men’ is very confusing at the moment and it’s currently unknown if a lot of the movies Fox have been planning are going to go through or not and I can see why fans of those movies wouldn’t be impressed. Right now we have sites telling people not to get too excited over movies like ‘Gambit’, ‘New Mutants’ and ‘Kitty Pride’ ‘cause there is a chance none of them will go through and the delay of ‘New Mutants’ may have something to do with Disney and they might not want Fox making a movie of them and want to adapt them themselves when the deal is finished so they can make them a part of the MCU. At this point if Disney are going to reboot the ‘X Men’ movies when Marvel gets the rights back they might as well make ‘Dark Phoenix’ the final movie and have a proper ending.
That does explain why Fox didn’t make an ‘X-Men’ TV show for so long and adapting ‘The Gifted’ and ‘Legion’ over a proper ‘X Men’ Live Action TV Show with all the big name characters was most likely a decision by Fox who much like Warner Bros with Batman wanted to keep those characters to movies only but with the amount of X-Men there is it feels like they wasted a lot of them to me and having a few X Men appear in ‘The Gifted’ like Rogue (who been talked about before due to her connection to Stephen Moyer) wouldn’t hurt in my opinion especially if they have no plans to use those characters in the movies and it would help give ‘The Gifted’ some big names and get more fans watching who have been waiting to see more X Men who may never appear in any of the X Men movies.
If the ‘Gambit’ movie isn’t going to go through anymore due to the Disney deal where is the harm in having a fully powered Rogue turn up in ‘The Gifted’ with Gambit for an episode? Most fans already know of Rogue and Gambit’s relationship even though we didn’t get to see it in any of the live action ‘X Men’ movies ‘cause they made Rogue so young and didn’t have Gambit but if ‘The Gifted’ is set in the future they should be able to pull things off like that and they can use Anna one more time since Rogue will supposed to be older in that timeline. I heard about the problems with Mutant X and how they got sued over it and I don’t understand why Fox had such a problem with that show since cjdull76 even said before the head of the company didn’t care that much about the X Men and wanted to drop them for 'The Fantastic Four' but perhaps they just wanted to get money out of them.
I don't think it was ever officially confirmed by Fox 'Dark Phoenix' was going to be a two parter but various sites were saying it was going to be and even if word came from Fox it would be hard to believe now looking at how long they have messed around with making the 'Gambit' movie and 'Gambit' could and should have came out before 'Deadpool' but I don't think it is being viewed as a priority. I totally forgot about those other X-men movies, especially Gambit. I really hope it gets made as the plot sounds fantastic to me. "Remy Lebeau (Channing Tatum) is on trial in New Orleans. He’s considered a huge security risk. We flashback to almost 25 years before. Master thief Luke Lebeau runs into eight-year-old Gambit while doing a heist. Impressed by his skills, he offers to take the mutant orphan under his wings. Raised alongside other strays he calls 'cousins', the teenage Gambit becomes the superstar of the Thief Guild. He encounters Bella Donna Boudreaux while on the run from the police. Sparks immediately fly since Bella is also a fellow mutant. Their love is directly prohibited by both families since the Boudreaux are sworn enemies of the Lebeau clan. Deciding to unite the two sides, Remy offers to have the two clans team up on a HUGE heist to profit both families. Of course, the whole plan goes awry, and in the chaos, Maryanne Boudreaux shoots and kill Luke Lebeau.
"We jump to 10 years later; Gambit is hired to do a job in Paris to steal something from the Louvre Museum. It was apparently a test job to see if he still has it. His mysterious employer is revealed to be Nathaniel Essex a.k.a. Mr. Sinister. He offers Gambit 40 million to recover a mysterious trunk that was stolen by the Boudreaux clan. It will be auctioned off during the yearly Thieves Ball where all the criminal organizations in the world meet up. It uses New Orleans’ Mardi Gras celebrations as a cover. Gambit decides to enlist a crew of mutants to pull off this seemingly impossible heist…"
Similarly with New Mutants, when I first saw the teaser, it gave me chills. I like Fox's experimentation. Deadpool, Logan and then New Mutants. There was also news of a movie about Multiple Man starring James Franco. Further, the showrunner behind Legion has already written a complete script for Doctor Doom.
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Post by General Kenobi on Sept 17, 2018 22:10:37 GMT
Loved the trailer for New Mutants. But I heard the reshoots have changed the tone of the movie. Hopefully that's not true.
Doom needs his own movie, instead of shoehorning his origin into that of the Fantastic Four. Hopefully the script is based on Ed Brubaker's excellent Books of Doom.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2018 11:39:26 GMT
No. It doesn’t look like they do but the future of the ‘X Men’ is very confusing at the moment and it’s currently unknown if a lot of the movies Fox have been planning are going to go through or not and I can see why fans of those movies wouldn’t be impressed. Right now we have sites telling people not to get too excited over movies like ‘Gambit’, ‘New Mutants’ and ‘Kitty Pride’ ‘cause there is a chance none of them will go through and the delay of ‘New Mutants’ may have something to do with Disney and they might not want Fox making a movie of them and want to adapt them themselves when the deal is finished so they can make them a part of the MCU. At this point if Disney are going to reboot the ‘X Men’ movies when Marvel gets the rights back they might as well make ‘Dark Phoenix’ the final movie and have a proper ending.
That does explain why Fox didn’t make an ‘X-Men’ TV show for so long and adapting ‘The Gifted’ and ‘Legion’ over a proper ‘X Men’ Live Action TV Show with all the big name characters was most likely a decision by Fox who much like Warner Bros with Batman wanted to keep those characters to movies only but with the amount of X-Men there is it feels like they wasted a lot of them to me and having a few X Men appear in ‘The Gifted’ like Rogue (who been talked about before due to her connection to Stephen Moyer) wouldn’t hurt in my opinion especially if they have no plans to use those characters in the movies and it would help give ‘The Gifted’ some big names and get more fans watching who have been waiting to see more X Men who may never appear in any of the X Men movies.
If the ‘Gambit’ movie isn’t going to go through anymore due to the Disney deal where is the harm in having a fully powered Rogue turn up in ‘The Gifted’ with Gambit for an episode? Most fans already know of Rogue and Gambit’s relationship even though we didn’t get to see it in any of the live action ‘X Men’ movies ‘cause they made Rogue so young and didn’t have Gambit but if ‘The Gifted’ is set in the future they should be able to pull things off like that and they can use Anna one more time since Rogue will supposed to be older in that timeline. I heard about the problems with Mutant X and how they got sued over it and I don’t understand why Fox had such a problem with that show since cjdull76 even said before the head of the company didn’t care that much about the X Men and wanted to drop them for 'The Fantastic Four' but perhaps they just wanted to get money out of them.
I don't think it was ever officially confirmed by Fox 'Dark Phoenix' was going to be a two parter but various sites were saying it was going to be and even if word came from Fox it would be hard to believe now looking at how long they have messed around with making the 'Gambit' movie and 'Gambit' could and should have came out before 'Deadpool' but I don't think it is being viewed as a priority. I think Disney would want to hold off on introducing any new characters or old characters currently in stasis that they have an intention of using going forward, I think most of us saw how confused the normies got at first at the idea that the MCU Spidey wasn't the same as TASM, they need time to pass for them to naturally accept ok this is a different version of the character of the bat.
Also I don't know if they could use Anna in The Gifted, that muddies the shows timeline and the general X-Men timeline greater, because the X-timeline is one of the most fucked up timelines in movies, outside of maybe Terminator.
I think the suing Marvel over Mutant X was more a reaction to Fox feeling like they got played they pay millions for X-Men make a hit movie then Marvel goes and makes a cheap TV version with someone else, it's the age old story, just because I don't want to play with my toys doesn't mean I am ok with you using them and mucking them up, plus maybe Fox was hoodwinked and thought they owned the exclusive live action rights outright, but then Marvel is like no we just gave you the movie rights, TV is still ours suckers.
God knows about Gambit, I mean a lot of people say he's not a stand alone character that can sustain a movie, which maybe true, I dunno I just know I loved him in TAS, heres a question Deb when Disney relaunch X-Men what line up do you want to see? personally I would like to see the animated series line up, just because it's what I got introduced to first, minus Wolverine that character needs some downtime imo.
I think the best lineup to go with in a new ‘X-Men’ franchise would be the lineup used in the ‘X-Men’ The Animated Series with Wolverine, Cyclops, Rogue, Storm, Gambit, Beast, Jean, Jubilee and Morph at the front and centre and they could have appearances from other characters throughout the films like Emma Frost, Nightcrawler, Archangel, Psylocke, Colossus and some members of Alpha Flight like Aurora, Northstar, Guardian and Sasquatch to set up an Alpha Flight spinoff movie. Last year Fox said there was an ‘Alpha Flight’ movie in development along with movies of The Exiles and X-23 and as of now it is unknown if those movies will still go through with Disney looking to purchase Fox but I think Disney should make them after they have made a few X-Men movies. It was confirmed the other day X-Men will be rebooted under Disney and will become part of the MCU and not a separate universe under Disney so we will be getting a fresh lineup with new actors.
I can see why you would say they should minus Wolverine ‘cause he has been given a heap of time in the spotlight compared to other X Men characters but I think they need to have Wolverine ‘cause he is the most popular and well-known member of the group but they should cut down on putting all of the focus on him and focus more on some other characters instead like Cyclops and Rogue who were not given much focus in the first 3 movies and Gambit who wasn’t in them at all. I feel Gambit works better as a member of the X Men or in a team with Rogue and not as a stand-alone character but the problem was Fox left him out of the first 3 films which many believe he should have been in and that lead to a lot of fans complaining about it which is why Fox came up with the idea of a solo movie.
If they had included Gambit in the first three movies it wouldn’t have been such a problem now and you might not know this but Keanu Reeves and Josh Holloway were both frontrunners to play him in the movies but Keanu Reeves wanted to be paid the same amount as Hugh Jackman and Josh turned it down due to being too busy with ‘Lost’ at the time. Other actors were lined up to play Gambit in ‘X Men: The Last Stand’ but the role was minimized and eventually cut ‘cause the director thought that it was too small of a role for a big character. It is a shame they didn’t use him in the first three ‘cause he is one of the most popular X-Men characters but they will have a chance to fix that with the new X Men in the MCU but I think they should debut them separately and not in a movie like ‘Civil War’ like they did with Spider-Man so the members all get more screen time.
As for in ‘The Gifted’ I am not sure ‘cause it is unclear when the show even takes place and where the X Men are ‘cause the only thing we know about them is they are said to be missing.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2018 11:41:53 GMT
Loved the trailer for New Mutants. But I heard the reshoots have changed the tone of the movie. Hopefully that's not true. Doom needs his own movie, instead of shoehorning his origin into that of the Fantastic Four. Hopefully the script is based on Ed Brubaker's excellent Books of Doom. I think the success or failure of The Joker movie might play a part in the fate of the 'Doctor Doom' movie being made 'cause if The Joker movie turns out good and is a Box Office success it will shows villains can work as leads.
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Post by General Kenobi on Sept 25, 2018 18:44:33 GMT
Have you read Books of Doom by Ed Brubaker? Because that is an excellent story starring Dr. Doom and is his definitive origin.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2018 13:51:25 GMT
Have you read Books of Doom by Ed Brubaker? Because that is an excellent story starring Dr. Doom and is his definitive origin. No. I can't say I have heard of them but I will look into them when I have finished reading the books I am reading now. At the moment I have so many books and graphic novels I haven't gotten around to reading yet it will most likely take months for me to read them. Are you a slow or a fast reader or somewhere in between 'cause some people are really quick readers and can finish a book in a day but it usually takes me at least a week or more to read one.
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Post by General Kenobi on Oct 5, 2018 19:04:18 GMT
I can usually read about 500 pages in 5-7 days. But I too have a backlog of graphic novels (as well as regular books) that might take me awhile to get through. Doesn't help that I keep buying new stuff.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2018 11:14:38 GMT
I can usually read about 500 pages in 5-7 days. But I too have a backlog of graphic novels (as well as regular books) that might take me awhile to get through. Doesn't help that I keep buying new stuff. Wow. That is more than me but then again I get distracted sometimes and I will go off and do something else and than come back to the novel or graphic novel and I can read graphic novels faster than novels 'cause there are less words in them (obviously) but some of the big graphic novels I have got that are omnibuses have taken me a fair share of time. I have a number of really long novels too that have hundreds of pages in them and the expanded edition of Stephen King's 'The Stand' took me the longest amount of time to read out of all the novels I own and that was humongous.
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