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Post by DC-Fan on May 1, 2018 20:03:07 GMT
Doctor Strange claimed that there were 14 million possibilities and only 1 possibility would result in a win and that giving Thanos the time stone was "the only way". I've been saying that was really awful writing and now it's been confirmed that I'm right. Another thread on this board asks the question: Why didn't Doctor Strange chop Thanos' arm off? Chopping off Thanos' hand would've definitely resulted in a winning scenario. Also, after Thor hit Thanos with the axe, Thanos himself told Thor that he should've gone for the head. So if Thor had chopped off Thanos' head, that would've definitely resulted in another winning scenario. So there was in fact more than 1 winning scenario, meaning that Doctor Strange was bullshitting when he claimed that giving Thanos the time stone was "the only way". And that also means that I'm right in saying that the writing was really awful. So my 4 out of 10 rating for Infinity War is appropriate. |
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Post by Skaathar on May 1, 2018 20:05:46 GMT
Probably because Thor trying to cut Thanos' head off would have been extremely hard to do. As for the arm chopping stuff, maybe Strange already saw that scenario and found out it fails... like maybe anyone who possessed the infinity gauntlet with the stones is immune to having their arm cut off while wearing the gauntlet.
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Post by DC-Fan on May 1, 2018 20:23:39 GMT
Probably because Thor trying to cut Thanos' head off would have been extremely hard to do. Did they expect it to be as easy to defeat Thanos as it was to defeat the Chitauri? Of course, it's going to be hard to do. But it's not impossible and certainly much better than giving a madman the time stone and just letting him kill half the universe! |
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on May 1, 2018 20:30:23 GMT
He threw the axe at Thanos while Thanos was hitting him with some laser beam. It's not like Thor was given time to properly aim.
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Post by Skaathar on May 1, 2018 20:52:22 GMT
Probably because Thor trying to cut Thanos' head off would have been extremely hard to do. Did they expect it to be as easy to defeat Thanos as it was to defeat the Chitauri? Of course, it's going to be hard to do. But it's not impossible and certainly much better than giving a madman the time stone and just letting him kill half the universe! Thor threw Stormbringer from like half a kilometer away while Thanos was blasting it with the IG and shielding himself, and you think Thor could still have cut his head off? Please enlighten me how. |
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Post by PreachCaleb on May 1, 2018 21:03:29 GMT
Doctor Strange claimed that there were 14 million possibilities and only 1 possibility would result in a win and that giving Thanos the time stone was "the only way". I've been saying that was really awful writing and now it's been confirmed that I'm right. Another thread on this board asks the question: Why didn't Doctor Strange chop Thanos' arm off? Chopping off Thanos' hand would've definitely resulted in a winning scenario. Also, after Thor hit Thanos with the axe, Thanos himself told Thor that he should've gone for the head. So if Thor had chopped off Thanos' head, that would've definitely resulted in another winning scenario. So there was in fact more than 1 winning scenario, meaning that Doctor Strange was bullshitting when he claimed that giving Thanos the time stone was "the only way". And that also means that I'm right in saying that the writing was really awful. So my 4 out of 10 rating for Infinity War is appropriate. But you're never right. |
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Post by coldenhaulfield on May 1, 2018 21:04:50 GMT
Doctor Strange claimed that there were 14 million possibilities and only 1 possibility would result in a win and that giving Thanos the time stone was "the only way". I've been saying that was really awful writing and now it's been confirmed that I'm right. Another thread on this board asks the question: Why didn't Doctor Strange chop Thanos' arm off? Chopping off Thanos' hand would've definitely resulted in a winning scenario. Also, after Thor hit Thanos with the axe, Thanos himself told Thor that he should've gone for the head. So if Thor had chopped off Thanos' head, that would've definitely resulted in another winning scenario. So there was in fact more than 1 winning scenario, meaning that Doctor Strange was bullshitting when he claimed that giving Thanos the time stone was "the only way". And that also means that I'm right in saying that the writing was really awful. So my 4 out of 10 rating for Infinity War is appropriate. But I'm never right. Fixed. |
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Post by PreachCaleb on May 1, 2018 21:05:25 GMT
That's not what that means. |
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Post by coldenhaulfield on May 1, 2018 21:11:39 GMT
That's not what that means. Says a troll with no valid response. DC-Fan, this guy has conceded to you. |
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Post by PreachCaleb on May 1, 2018 21:12:13 GMT
That's not what that means. Says a troll with no valid response. DC-Fan , this guy has conceded to you. That's not what that means either. |
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Post by NormanClature on May 1, 2018 21:12:21 GMT
Doctor Strange claimed that there were 14 million possibilities and only 1 possibility would result in a win and that giving Thanos the time stone was "the only way". I've been saying that was really awful writing and now it's been confirmed that I'm right. Another thread on this board asks the question: Why didn't Doctor Strange chop Thanos' arm off? Chopping off Thanos' hand would've definitely resulted in a winning scenario. Also, after Thor hit Thanos with the axe, Thanos himself told Thor that he should've gone for the head. So if Thor had chopped off Thanos' head, that would've definitely resulted in another winning scenario. So there was in fact more than 1 winning scenario, meaning that Doctor Strange was bullshitting when he claimed that giving Thanos the time stone was "the only way". And that also means that I'm right in saying that the writing was really awful. So my 4 out of 10 rating for Infinity War is appropriate. You appear to be struggling somewhat with the concept of timelines. Why don't you start a thread asking how Peter Parker and Tony Stark could breathe on Titan instead? |
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Post by coldenhaulfield on May 1, 2018 21:13:08 GMT
Says a troll with no valid response. DC-Fan , this guy has conceded to you. That's not what that means either. So basically you bow before the wisdom of DC-Fan. |
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Post by PreachCaleb on May 1, 2018 21:13:53 GMT
That's not what that means either. So basically you bow before the wisdom of DC-Fan . That's still not what that means. |
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Post by coldenhaulfield on May 1, 2018 21:19:51 GMT
So basically you bow before the wisdom of DC-Fan . That's still not what that means. It means you shrink in terror before the intellectual might of DC-Fan's iron-clad arguments. You haven't offered a single attempt at a refutation yet. |
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Post by DC-Fan on May 1, 2018 21:24:16 GMT
Did they expect it to be as easy to defeat Thanos as it was to defeat the Chitauri? Of course, it's going to be hard to do. But it's not impossible and certainly much better than giving a madman the time stone and just letting him kill half the universe! Thor threw Stormbringer from like half a kilometer away while Thanos was blasting it with the IG and shielding himself, and you think Thor could still have cut his head off? Please enlighten me how. You completely missed the point. It isn't about how easy or hard it was to do it. It's about the fact that Thanos was vulnerable to a fatal blow to his head (even Thanos told Thor he should've gone for his head). Sof if Thanos was vulnerable to a fatal blow to the head, then that's clearly another way to defeat Thanos. So Doctor Strange lied when he claimed that giving Thanos the time stone was "the only way". In fact, in addition to cutting off Thanos' hand (as suggested on the other thread) and Thor going for Thanos' head, there was another way to defeat Thanos without giving Thanos the time stone. Thanos didn't know where the soul stone was, but Gamora did. Doctor Strange claimed he saw all 14 million scenarios so he would've seen the scenari where Thanos tortured Nebula to get Gamora to tell him where the soul stone was. So all Doctor Strange had to do to prevent Gamora from telling Thanos the location of the soul stone was simply kill Gamora BEFORE Thanos arrived. Gamora wanted Quill to kill her so she couldn't tell Thanos the location of the soul stone. So she was willing to die to prevent Thanos from getting the soul stone so it shouldn't matter whether Quill kills her or Doctor Strange kills her. Killing her BEFORE Thanos arrived would've prevented Thanos from finding the location of the soul stone and would've saved half the universe. |
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Post by Skaathar on May 1, 2018 21:27:00 GMT
Thor threw Stormbringer from like half a kilometer away while Thanos was blasting it with the IG and shielding himself, and you think Thor could still have cut his head off? Please enlighten me how. You completely missed the point. It isn't about how easy or hard it was to do it. It's about the fact that Thanos was vulnerable to a fatal blow to his head (even Thanos told Thor he should've gone for his head). Sof if Thanos was vulnerable to a fatal blow to the head, then that's clearly another way to defeat Thanos. So Doctor Strange lied when he claimed that giving Thanos the time stone was "the only way". In fact, in addition to cutting off Thanos' hand (as suggested on the other thread) and Thor going for Thanos' head, there was another way to defeat Thanos without giving Thanos the time stone. Thanos didn't know where the soul stone was, but Gamora did. Doctor Strange claimed he saw all 14 million scenarios so he would've seen the scenari where Thanos tortured Nebula to get Gamora to tell him where the soul stone was. So all Doctor Strange had to do to prevent Gamora from telling Thanos the location of the soul stone was simply kill Gamora BEFORE Thanos arrived. Gamora wanted Quill to kill her so she couldn't tell Thanos the location of the soul stone. So she was willing to die to prevent Thanos from getting the soul stone so it shouldn't matter whether Quill kills her or Doctor Strange kills her. Killing her BEFORE Thanos arrived would've prevented Thanos from finding the location of the soul stone and would've saved half the universe. I don't think you understand how possibilities work. It doesn't matter if Thanos is vulnerable to a hit in the head from Stormbreaker, what matters is whether someone can actually hit him in the head. If the answer is no, then it doesn't matter if his head is vulnerable. Strange didn't look into all the different vulnerabilities of Thanos, he looked into all the possible futures. As for your Gamora theory, by the time Strange did his future-viewing thing Thanos already had Gamora in hand and were their way to find the soul stone. How exactly was he supposed to kill Gamora then? |
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Post by DC-Fan on May 1, 2018 21:35:04 GMT
You completely missed the point. It isn't about how easy or hard it was to do it. It's about the fact that Thanos was vulnerable to a fatal blow to his head (even Thanos told Thor he should've gone for his head). Sof if Thanos was vulnerable to a fatal blow to the head, then that's clearly another way to defeat Thanos. So Doctor Strange lied when he claimed that giving Thanos the time stone was "the only way". In fact, in addition to cutting off Thanos' hand (as suggested on the other thread) and Thor going for Thanos' head, there was another way to defeat Thanos without giving Thanos the time stone. Thanos didn't know where the soul stone was, but Gamora did. Doctor Strange claimed he saw all 14 million scenarios so he would've seen the scenari where Thanos tortured Nebula to get Gamora to tell him where the soul stone was. So all Doctor Strange had to do to prevent Gamora from telling Thanos the location of the soul stone was simply kill Gamora BEFORE Thanos arrived. Gamora wanted Quill to kill her so she couldn't tell Thanos the location of the soul stone. So she was willing to die to prevent Thanos from getting the soul stone so it shouldn't matter whether Quill kills her or Doctor Strange kills her. Killing her BEFORE Thanos arrived would've prevented Thanos from finding the location of the soul stone and would've saved half the universe. I don't think you understand how possibilities work. It doesn't matter if Thanos is vulnerable to a hit in the head from Stormbreaker, what matters is whether someone can actually hit him in the head. If the answer is no, then it doesn't matter if his head is vulnerable. Strange didn't look into all the different vulnerabilities of Thanos, he looked into all the possible futures. As for your Gamora theory, by the time Strange did his future-viewing thing Thanos already had Gamora in hand and were their way to find the soul stone. How exactly was he supposed to kill Gamora then? So you're saying that in all 14 million possibilities, no one was able to chop off Thanos' head? Considering that Mantis had both of her hands on Thanos' head for a few minutes, I have to call bullshit on that. Certainly, Mantis had a clean shot at chopping off Thanos' head. So if they were able to gang up on Thanos so that Mantis had a clean shot at chopping off Thanos' head, then it's certainly possible for someone to chop off Thanos' head. So Doctor Strange lied when he claimed that giving Thanos the time stone was "the only way". Like I said before, that was really awful writing in Infinity War. As for Gamora, Strange did his future viewing BEFORE Thanos arrived. Strange did his future viewing when Starlord and Iron Man were arguing and then one of the Guardians saw Strange having a seizure and asked "What's wrong with your friend?" That was all BEFORE Thanos arrived. |
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Post by Skaathar on May 1, 2018 21:40:51 GMT
I don't think you understand how possibilities work. It doesn't matter if Thanos is vulnerable to a hit in the head from Stormbreaker, what matters is whether someone can actually hit him in the head. If the answer is no, then it doesn't matter if his head is vulnerable. Strange didn't look into all the different vulnerabilities of Thanos, he looked into all the possible futures. As for your Gamora theory, by the time Strange did his future-viewing thing Thanos already had Gamora in hand and were their way to find the soul stone. How exactly was he supposed to kill Gamora then? So you're saying that in all 14 million possibilities, no one was able to chop off Thanos' head? Considering that Mantis had both of her hands on Thanos' head for a few minutes, I have to call bullshit on that. Certainly, Mantis had a clean shot at chopping off Thanos' head. So if they were able to gang up on Thanos so that Mantis had a clean shot at chopping off Thanos' head, then it's certainly possible for someone to chop off Thanos' head. So Doctor Strange lied when he claimed that giving Thanos the time stone was "the only way". Like I said before, that was really awful writing in Infinity War. As for Gamora, Strange did his future viewing BEFORE Thanos arrived. Strange did his future viewing when Starlord and Iron Man were arguing and then one of the Guardians saw Strange having a seizure and asked "What's wrong with your friend?" That was all BEFORE Thanos arrived. But Mantis doesn't have Stormbringer does she? Nebula hit Thanos in the arm with her sword and all it did was bounce off. Considering that Thanos is tough enough to tank hits from Hulk - Hulk who is nigh invulnerable - it stands to reason that Thanos is ridiculously tough and needs a special weapon to cut through him. Considering that only Thor has a weapon that was shown to actually cut Thanos that limits your possibilities down a good margin. You also have to consider that they would need to cut off Thanos' head BEFORE he snaps his fingers and kills off half the universe. That's a very rigid set of parameters that are very hard to satisfy. As for Gamora, Dr. Strange did his future-viewing before Thanos had arrived but after Thanos already had Gamora in his hold. Tell me again how exactly Strange was supposed to kill Gamora? |
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Post by DC-Fan on May 1, 2018 21:48:00 GMT
So you're saying that in all 14 million possibilities, no one was able to chop off Thanos' head? Considering that Mantis had both of her hands on Thanos' head for a few minutes, I have to call bullshit on that. Certainly, Mantis had a clean shot at chopping off Thanos' head. So if they were able to gang up on Thanos so that Mantis had a clean shot at chopping off Thanos' head, then it's certainly possible for someone to chop off Thanos' head. So Doctor Strange lied when he claimed that giving Thanos the time stone was "the only way". Like I said before, that was really awful writing in Infinity War. As for Gamora, Strange did his future viewing BEFORE Thanos arrived. Strange did his future viewing when Starlord and Iron Man were arguing and then one of the Guardians saw Strange having a seizure and asked "What's wrong with your friend?" That was all BEFORE Thanos arrived. But Mantis doesn't have Stormbringer does she? Nebula hit Thanos in the arm with her sword and all it did was bounce off. Considering that Thanos is tough enough to tank hits from Hulk - Hulk who is nigh invulnerable - it stands to reason that Thanos is ridiculously tough and needs a special weapon to cut through him. Considering that only Thor has a weapon that was shown to actually cut Thanos that limits your possibilities down a good margin. You also have to consider that they would need to cut off Thanos' head BEFORE he snaps his fingers and kills off half the universe. That's a very rigid set of parameters that are very hard to satisfy. As for Gamora, Dr. Strange did his future-viewing before Thanos had arrived but after Thanos already had Gamora in his hold. Tell me again how exactly Strange was supposed to kill Gamora? How exactly did Thanos get the mind stone from Vision's forehead after Scarlet Witch basically made Vision disintegrate? Oh yeah, he used the time stone (that Doctor Strange gave him) to reverse time a few seconds to bring Vision back. Didn't Doctor Strange have the time stone in his possession when Thanos arrived? So all Doctor Strange had to do was reverse time a few seconds or a few minutes and kill Gamora BEFORE Thanos arrived. Like I said before, that was really awful writing in Infinity War! |
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Post by Skaathar on May 1, 2018 22:00:12 GMT
But Mantis doesn't have Stormbringer does she? Nebula hit Thanos in the arm with her sword and all it did was bounce off. Considering that Thanos is tough enough to tank hits from Hulk - Hulk who is nigh invulnerable - it stands to reason that Thanos is ridiculously tough and needs a special weapon to cut through him. Considering that only Thor has a weapon that was shown to actually cut Thanos that limits your possibilities down a good margin. You also have to consider that they would need to cut off Thanos' head BEFORE he snaps his fingers and kills off half the universe. That's a very rigid set of parameters that are very hard to satisfy. As for Gamora, Dr. Strange did his future-viewing before Thanos had arrived but after Thanos already had Gamora in his hold. Tell me again how exactly Strange was supposed to kill Gamora? How exactly did Thanos get the mind stone from Vision's forehead after Scarlet Witch basically made Vision disintegrate? Oh yeah, he used the time stone (that Doctor Strange gave him) to reverse time a few seconds to bring Vision back. Didn't Doctor Strange have the time stone in his possession when Thanos arrived? So all Doctor Strange had to do was reverse time a few seconds or a few minutes and kill Gamora BEFORE Thanos arrived. Like I said before, that was really awful writing in Infinity War! Dude, you're not thinking straight. HOW is Strange going to kill Gamora? So he reverses time to when she was still alive. Great. What next? 1. He doesn't know where Gamora is. 2. He doesn't even know who Gamora is. 3. Even if he knew, how does he get to Gamora? We don't know how far his portals can travel. 4. Even if he did get to travel to Gamora, Thanos is already there. How does he get past Thanos? 5. We also don't know just how far back the time gem can reverse time. So far we've only seen it reverse a few minutes. We don't know if it can go all the way back to before Gamora was taken. |
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