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Post by lenlenlen1 on May 7, 2018 15:45:53 GMT
Otherwise he would have been featured way more in the film. Instead of waiting over a hour to see him. Those TV spots were full of shit. I'm not sure about your reasoning, but definitely Marvel did not expect it. NO ONE expected it! I sure didn't!
BP Made at least 200 million more than it should have! If it had made only 400 mill it still would have been a monster hit and talked about as amazing. But it breaking 600 mil domestic is out of this world.
I'm happy for it's success, but a lot of factors, other than it just being a good movie, helped make it so successful.
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Post by Agent of Chaos on May 13, 2018 21:29:01 GMT
We never had a Dark Phoenix movie and to suggest so is laughable because Jean never got much screentime. Don't hate the player, hate the game. It's not Jean's fault the studio background the character for a story that nobody wanted. They made that movie so it is a thing. In continuity! They'll have to deal with it. At this point the Dark Phoenix story is the same as Batman's origin. Why are you comparing it to Batman’s origin which has been told several times? It’s more comparable to The Dark Knight, which had the same plot and story beats as Batman 89.
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Post by ThatGuy on May 13, 2018 21:36:47 GMT
Don't hate the player, hate the game. It's not Jean's fault the studio background the character for a story that nobody wanted. They made that movie so it is a thing. In continuity! They'll have to deal with it. At this point the Dark Phoenix story is the same as Batman's origin. Why aren’t you comparing it to Batman’s origin which has been told several times? It’s more comparable to The Dark Knight, which had the same plot and story beats as Batman 89. What do you mean?
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Post by Skaathar on May 13, 2018 21:40:05 GMT
Meh. Cap had arguably the best MCU movies yet he was still only given a very small part.
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Post by Agent of Chaos on May 13, 2018 22:26:44 GMT
Why are you comparing it to Batman’s origin which has been told several times? It’s more comparable to The Dark Knight, which had the same plot and story beats as Batman 89. What do you mean? Let’s start with the obvious: Batman and The Dark Knight were both about Batman vs The Joker. Both have the Joker attacking the mob and inncocent people. Both have the Joker kill someone Batman loves, his parents in 89 and Rachel in TDK. The final confrontation with Joker ends with him falling off a building and Batman shots a grappling gun at his leg. The Dark Knight is essentially a remake of Burton’s Batman.
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Post by ThatGuy on May 13, 2018 22:32:03 GMT
Meh. Cap had arguably the best MCU movies yet he was still only given a very small part. Because some understand who should be the star of a movie. Only the other studios make it a popularity contest.
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Post by ThatGuy on May 13, 2018 22:35:30 GMT
Let’s start with the obvious: Batman and The Dark Knight were both about Batman vs The Joker. Both have the Joker attacking the mob and inncocent people. Both have the Joker kill someone Batman loves, his parents in 89 and Rachel in TDK. The final confrontation with Joker ends with him falling off a building and Batman shots a grappling gun at his leg. The Dark Knight is essentially a remake of Burton’s Batman. I'm comparing it to a specific thing about the movies. If I would have said it like you did I would have said that all the main X-men movies are the same because it's pretty much human does something against mutants, Magneto gets upset, Magneto becomes the villain while betraying the X-men, X-men has to defeat Magneto.
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Post by Agent of Chaos on May 14, 2018 1:26:04 GMT
Let’s start with the obvious: Batman and The Dark Knight were both about Batman vs The Joker. Both have the Joker attacking the mob and inncocent people. Both have the Joker kill someone Batman loves, his parents in 89 and Rachel in TDK. The final confrontation with Joker ends with him falling off a building and Batman shots a grappling gun at his leg. The Dark Knight is essentially a remake of Burton’s Batman. I'm comparing it to a specific thing about the movies. If I would have said it like you did I would have said that all the main X-men movies are the same because it's pretty much human does something against mutants, Magneto gets upset, Magneto becomes the villain while betraying the X-men, X-men has to defeat Magneto. Only First Class and Days of Future Past are written like that.
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Post by ThatGuy on May 14, 2018 2:39:20 GMT
I'm comparing it to a specific thing about the movies. If I would have said it like you did I would have said that all the main X-men movies are the same because it's pretty much human does something against mutants, Magneto gets upset, Magneto becomes the villain while betraying the X-men, X-men has to defeat Magneto. Only First Class and Days of Future Past are written like that. What?
X-men had Senator Kelly want to start the Mutant Registration Act. So Magneto creates a machine that would turn humans into mutants (allegedly). He then poisons Xavier using Cerebro. The X-men have to stop him.
X2 has Stryker attack the President using a mutant to so he can get the okay to storm the Xavier School. He learned about the Xavier School by brainwashing and assaulting Magneto. Magneto uses the X-men to get him into the base so he can turn Dark Cerebro against humans. The X-men has to stop this.
X3 has Warren Worthington, II fund a "cure" for mutants. Magneto doesn't like this so he rallies an army to go against them. Along the way he finds out about Jean being alive and turns her against Xavier. He then uses Jean to attack Alcatraz Island and the X-men has to stop him.
The only movie that subverts this is Apocalypse by turning that human character into a mutant. Although you can still say that Moira is the human that starts things off. But everything else is the same. Magneto betrays the X-men by kidnapping Xavier. He starts moving all the metal in the world, killing a bunch of people, and the X-men has to stop him.
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Post by Agent of Chaos on May 14, 2018 3:57:59 GMT
X-men had Senator Kelly want to start the Mutant Registration Act. So Magneto creates a machine that would turn humans into mutants (allegedly). He then poisons Xavier using Cerebro. The X-men have to stop him. How is Mags poisoning Xavier a betrayal? They were estblished earlier as enemies. With Xavier even trying to kill him. Again no betrayal here. The X-Men never trusted Magneto nor wanted his help but he’s too powerful to get rid of and are forced to let him pal along. The X-Men never even face off against Magneto. Except the cure wasn’t been used against mutants, except when they were criminals. Magneto is the aggressor in the film. The betrayal aspect is again lacking since the X-Men view Magneto as an enemy through the entire film. How did Magneto betray Xavier? They weren’t allies until the end. Even the ending of DOFP didn’t have them as allies.
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Post by ThatGuy on May 14, 2018 15:06:49 GMT
X-men had Senator Kelly want to start the Mutant Registration Act. So Magneto creates a machine that would turn humans into mutants (allegedly). He then poisons Xavier using Cerebro. The X-men have to stop him. How is Mags poisoning Xavier a betrayal? They were estblished earlier as enemies. With Xavier even trying to kill him. Again no betrayal here. The X-Men never trusted Magneto nor wanted his help but he’s too powerful to get rid of and are forced to let him pal along. The X-Men never even face off against Magneto. Except the cure wasn’t been used against mutants, except when they were criminals. Magneto is the aggressor in the film. The betrayal aspect is again lacking since the X-Men view Magneto as an enemy through the entire film. How did Magneto betray Xavier? They weren’t allies until the end. Even the ending of DOFP didn’t have them as allies. Calling each other old friend and such, then going into his home secretly. Betrayal.
Them teaming up and being on the same side then switching the machine around instead of getting Xavier out. Betrayal.
He didn't want the cure at all because "he knew" that it would be used against mutants indiscriminately. Also, he walked into Jean's home under a truce. Then, instead of trying to calm her down, he riles her up until she kills Xavier.
He helps Apocalypse get to Xavier. Through the prequels they aren't really enemies. It all comes down to Xavier not letting Magneto go down a dark path. So, yes, Magneto, who has been said to not be brainwashed by Apocalypse, is betraying his "friend".
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Post by coldenhaulfield on May 14, 2018 15:09:13 GMT
Only First Class and Days of Future Past are written like that. What?
X-men had Senator Kelly want to start the Mutant Registration Act. So Magneto creates a machine that would turn humans into mutants (allegedly). He then poisons Xavier using Cerebro. The X-men have to stop him.
X2 has Stryker attack the President using a mutant to so he can get the okay to storm the Xavier School. He learned about the Xavier School by brainwashing and assaulting Magneto. Magneto uses the X-men to get him into the base so he can turn Dark Cerebro against humans. The X-men has to stop this.
X3 has Warren Worthington, II fund a "cure" for mutants. Magneto doesn't like this so he rallies an army to go against them. Along the way he finds out about Jean being alive and turns her against Xavier. He then uses Jean to attack Alcatraz Island and the X-men has to stop him.
The only movie that subverts this is Apocalypse by turning that human character into a mutant. Although you can still say that Moira is the human that starts things off. But everything else is the same. Magneto betrays the X-men by kidnapping Xavier. He starts moving all the metal in the world, killing a bunch of people, and the X-men has to stop him.
Huh?
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Post by ThatGuy on May 14, 2018 15:14:13 GMT
What?
X-men had Senator Kelly want to start the Mutant Registration Act. So Magneto creates a machine that would turn humans into mutants (allegedly). He then poisons Xavier using Cerebro. The X-men have to stop him.
X2 has Stryker attack the President using a mutant to so he can get the okay to storm the Xavier School. He learned about the Xavier School by brainwashing and assaulting Magneto. Magneto uses the X-men to get him into the base so he can turn Dark Cerebro against humans. The X-men has to stop this.
X3 has Warren Worthington, II fund a "cure" for mutants. Magneto doesn't like this so he rallies an army to go against them. Along the way he finds out about Jean being alive and turns her against Xavier. He then uses Jean to attack Alcatraz Island and the X-men has to stop him.
The only movie that subverts this is Apocalypse by turning that human character into a mutant. Although you can still say that Moira is the human that starts things off. But everything else is the same. Magneto betrays the X-men by kidnapping Xavier. He starts moving all the metal in the world, killing a bunch of people, and the X-men has to stop him.
Huh? Apocalypse takes the place of the human character (Kelly, Stryker, Worthington, Shaw [also takes the human place, but its a smaller Apocalypse movie], Trask)
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Post by coldenhaulfield on May 14, 2018 15:47:02 GMT
Apocalypse takes the place of the human character (Kelly, Stryker, Worthington, Shaw [also takes the human place, but its a smaller Apocalypse movie], Trask) Okay, thanks for clarifying your point. I misread it to mean that you didn't think Apocalypse was a mutant in the source material, lol.
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Post by Agent of Chaos on May 14, 2018 16:51:01 GMT
Calling each other old friend and such, then going into his home secretly. Betrayal. So why did Xavier try to kill Magneto when he took over Sabertooth? Just because they were friends back in the day doesn’t mean they are now. Except they didn’t team up. Magneto simply forced his presence on them and they couldn’t do anything about it. He made no promises to save Xavier. So in other words the humans didn’t do anything. What do you mean by truce? They went in there together because they couldn’t stop Magneto from going in. Xavier even says he doesn’t want him there. Not enemies? Xavier straight up hated him in DOFP.
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Post by ThatGuy on May 14, 2018 18:12:37 GMT
Calling each other old friend and such, then going into his home secretly. Betrayal. So why did Xavier try to kill Magneto when he took over Sabertooth? Just because they were friends back in the day doesn’t mean they are now. Except they didn’t team up. Magneto simply forced his presence on them and they couldn’t do anything about it. He made no promises to save Xavier. So in other words the humans didn’t do anything. What do you mean by truce? They went in there together because they couldn’t stop Magneto from going in. Xavier even says he doesn’t want him there. Not enemies? Xavier straight up hated him in DOFP. He wasn't trying to kill him. Just stop him. He did have Rogue.
And they could have left him in that forest.
The humans created a "cure" that Magneto knew they would weaponize and they did. By truce I mean they decided to table their differences for the sake of Jean. He tells Magneto he doesn't want him there because he knows what he's going to do and he did just that.
No he was mad at Erik because he believes he took Mystique away from him. Then he is manipulated by Erik in the plane and they becomes friends again. Then right after that, Magneto goes against their plans and tries to kill Mystique. Betrayed!
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Post by Agent of Chaos on May 15, 2018 12:26:42 GMT
So why did Xavier try to kill Magneto when he took over Sabertooth? Just because they were friends back in the day doesn’t mean they are now. Except they didn’t team up. Magneto simply forced his presence on them and they couldn’t do anything about it. He made no promises to save Xavier. So in other words the humans didn’t do anything. What do you mean by truce? They went in there together because they couldn’t stop Magneto from going in. Xavier even says he doesn’t want him there. Not enemies? Xavier straight up hated him in DOFP. He wasn't trying to kill him. Just stop him. He did have Rogue.
And they could have left him in that forest.
The humans created a "cure" that Magneto knew they would weaponize and they did. By truce I mean they decided to table their differences for the sake of Jean. He tells Magneto he doesn't want him there because he knows what he's going to do and he did just that.
No he was mad at Erik because he believes he took Mystique away from him. Then he is manipulated by Erik in the plane and they becomes friends again. Then right after that, Magneto goes against their plans and tries to kill Mystique. Betrayed!
You’re right. I rewatched the scene. Either way they were not allies. How could they? Mags can control the plane they were riding. Yes, but it wasn’t weaponized to be used against every mutants. And it wasn’t for Jean’s sake but because he didn’t want trouble. Magneto and his crew would have and did stomped them. And he crippled and abandoned him. They didn’t become friends on the plane. They simply played a game of chess.
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Post by Surly on May 15, 2018 15:54:30 GMT
You think they would have still killed him off if they knew how successful the movie was going to be? I think they would've thought twice about it. Because seeing the box office results of BP, you know that they're now tempted to make a sequel.
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Post by ThatGuy on May 15, 2018 18:58:24 GMT
He wasn't trying to kill him. Just stop him. He did have Rogue.
And they could have left him in that forest.
The humans created a "cure" that Magneto knew they would weaponize and they did. By truce I mean they decided to table their differences for the sake of Jean. He tells Magneto he doesn't want him there because he knows what he's going to do and he did just that.
No he was mad at Erik because he believes he took Mystique away from him. Then he is manipulated by Erik in the plane and they becomes friends again. Then right after that, Magneto goes against their plans and tries to kill Mystique. Betrayed!
You’re right. I rewatched the scene. Either way they were not allies. How could they? Mags can control the plane they were riding. Yes, but it wasn’t weaponized to be used against every mutants. And it wasn’t for Jean’s sake but because he didn’t want trouble. Magneto and his crew would have and did stomped them. And he crippled and abandoned him. They didn’t become friends on the plane. They simply played a game of chess. Then they would end up fighting him with no pretense of him being on their side.
It actually was weaponized to be used against every mutant. There isn't a "cure" for different type of mutants. And it was for Jean's sake. He knew Magneto was there to take her away to be used as a weapon. An omega level mutant like her? Why else would Magneto be there. And he was right. He took her away to be used against humans. And the funny part is that he was trying to go against Xavier calming her down, but then coddled her the same way when he was leading her out.
That was them going back to where they were before. But that was only one sided. Again, Erik was using him. The Xavier/Erik relationship is that of an abused wife. He beats "her", she's made at him for a bit then takes him back because he says he "loves" her. They continually go back and forth like that all through the movies.
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Post by Agent of Chaos on May 15, 2018 22:17:08 GMT
You’re right. I rewatched the scene. Either way they were not allies. How could they? Mags can control the plane they were riding. Yes, but it wasn’t weaponized to be used against every mutants. And it wasn’t for Jean’s sake but because he didn’t want trouble. Magneto and his crew would have and did stomped them. And he crippled and abandoned him. They didn’t become friends on the plane. They simply played a game of chess. Then they would end up fighting him with no pretense of him being on their side.
It actually was weaponized to be used against every mutant. There isn't a "cure" for different type of mutants. And it was for Jean's sake. He knew Magneto was there to take her away to be used as a weapon. An omega level mutant like her? Why else would Magneto be there. And he was right. He took her away to be used against humans. And the funny part is that he was trying to go against Xavier calming her down, but then coddled her the same way when he was leading her out.
That was them going back to where they were before. But that was only one sided. Again, Erik was using him. The Xavier/Erik relationship is that of an abused wife. He beats "her", she's made at him for a bit then takes him back because he says he "loves" her. They continually go back and forth like that all through the movies.
A fight that would end with someone on their getting killed. No, I mean it was weaponized against hostile mutants. They didn’t depower Mystique until Magneto broke her out. Because they played chess? They also played chess at the end of X1, but Xavier still left him to rot in prison.
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