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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2018 13:35:32 GMT
BvS kills Superman: "It was too early to do that. He'd only been in two movies."
IW kills Black Panther and Spider-Man (both of whom only had one solo movie and a few cameos): "Brilliant!"
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Post by sostie on May 4, 2018 13:56:26 GMT
BvS kills Superman: "It was too early to do that. He'd only been in two movies." Source? Because it was pretty obvious from the end of BvS that he was coming back. |
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Post by dazz on May 4, 2018 15:55:29 GMT
It wasn't because the character wasn't in enough films but that the characters presence/role wasn't properly established before he was "killed", how does he go from a vastly divisive character in BVS to which half the world seems to hate him and the other half worship him to becoming a globally mourned character whose death eliciting world wide crime increased? You know given he did nothing to stifle crime in Gotham which is literally a 2 second leisurely flight across the river for Superman.
Where as T'Challa's role and importance to his people is firmly established in his own stand alone film, and Peter's importance and connection to Stark is firmly established in his appearances also.
Plus T'Challa and Peter are in 3 movies each before they die, none being cameos as all their appearances matter and build their characters, so even then it's a 2 film lead up to 3 film lead ups, meaning they had more time and focus on them and establishing their importance so that their "deaths" matter.
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Post by summers8 on May 4, 2018 16:04:22 GMT
Or the media and some critics double standards?
just goes to show you all the mcu lapgods that control the media.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on May 4, 2018 16:05:22 GMT
There should have never been a Batman vs. Superman movie.
It was stupid and then they doubled down on stupid and made a Justice League movie rather than a Superman or Batman.
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Post by Spooky Ghost Ackbar on May 4, 2018 16:08:33 GMT
BvS kills Superman: "It was too early to do that. He'd only been in two movies." IW kills Black Panther and Spider-Man (both of whom only had one solo movie and a few cameos): "Brilliant!" The double standard that amuses me is the whole villain defense thing: For years I've heard that argument that the MCU does villains better because they "don't make them the stars of the movie" and "let the heroes shine instead". But now we have a Marvel movie that makes the villain the star and overshadows all the heroes and its "the best movie/villain ever!" |
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Post by DSDSquared on May 4, 2018 16:26:07 GMT
BvS kills Superman: "It was too early to do that. He'd only been in two movies." IW kills Black Panther and Spider-Man (both of whom only had one solo movie and a few cameos): "Brilliant!" The double standard that amuses me is the whole villain defense thing: For years I've heard that argument that the MCU does villains better because they "don't make them the stars of the movie" and "let the heroes shine instead". But now we have a Marvel movie that makes the villain the star and overshadows all the heroes and its "the best movie/villain ever!" No. The double standard is DCEU fans coming on here saying the MCU has a villain problem, but the DCEU is full of terrible villains like Enchantress, Luthor, Steppenwolf, etc. Meanwhile the MCU has had tons of great villains like Thanos, Loki, Vulture, Killmonger, Hela, etc. |
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Post by Spooky Ghost Ackbar on May 4, 2018 16:30:15 GMT
The double standard that amuses me is the whole villain defense thing: For years I've heard that argument that the MCU does villains better because they "don't make them the stars of the movie" and "let the heroes shine instead". But now we have a Marvel movie that makes the villain the star and overshadows all the heroes and its "the best movie/villain ever!" No. The double standard is DCEU fans coming on here saying the MCU has a villain problem, but the DCEU is full of terrible villains like Enchantress, Luthor, Steppenwolf, etc. Meanwhile the MCU has had tons of great villains like Thanos, Loki, Vulture, Killmonger, Hela, etc. There can be multiple double standards. One doesn't negate the other. Both are true. |
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on May 4, 2018 16:32:53 GMT
Superman death was controversial because some believed it wasn't necessary or they saw it as something that could have given us an emotional scene in a future DCEU film was thrown aside because...I guess Snyder wanted to be a edgelord.
Hell the ending of BvS teased his Resurrection, so it was a cop out.
It reminds me of X-Men 3 where they kill off Xavier and in a post credit scene it's revealed that he survived.
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on May 4, 2018 16:35:32 GMT
BvS kills Superman: "It was too early to do that. He'd only been in two movies." IW kills Black Panther and Spider-Man (both of whom only had one solo movie and a few cameos): "Brilliant!" The double standard that amuses me is the whole villain defense thing: For years I've heard that argument that the MCU does villains better because they "don't make them the stars of the movie" and "let the heroes shine instead". But now we have a Marvel movie that makes the villain the star and overshadows all the heroes and its "the best movie/villain ever!" Yeah Formersam wouldn't shut the fuck up about the whole "JOKER TOOK OVER A BATMAN MOVIE! THEY'RE ASHAMED OF COMICS!!1111" |
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Post by ReyKahuka on May 4, 2018 16:35:34 GMT
It's a fair point, and let's be honest: in both cases it felt more like a stunt than a genuine moment. It remains to be seen how Marvel sticks the landing regarding T'Challa while Supes return was as underwhelming as his demise.
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Post by Spooky Ghost Ackbar on May 4, 2018 16:37:23 GMT
The double standard that amuses me is the whole villain defense thing: For years I've heard that argument that the MCU does villains better because they "don't make them the stars of the movie" and "let the heroes shine instead". But now we have a Marvel movie that makes the villain the star and overshadows all the heroes and its "the best movie/villain ever!" Yeah Formersam wouldn't shut the fuck up about the whole "JOKER TOOK OVER A BATMAN MOVIE! THEY'RE ASHAMED OF COMICS!!1111" Exactly!!! |
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Post by Spooky Ghost Ackbar on May 4, 2018 16:38:53 GMT
It's a fair point, and let's be honest: in both cases it felt more like a stunt than a genuine moment. It remains to be seen how Marvel sticks the landing regarding T'Challa while Supes return was as underwhelming as his demise. Panther disappearing was the moment when everyone thought: Wait... Oh this is only going to be temporary! I genuinely thought Bucky was gone, then when Panther vanished... |
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Post by Power Ranger on May 4, 2018 16:42:48 GMT
Marvelites complain when the villain dies in their sixth film.
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Post by Spooky Ghost Ackbar on May 4, 2018 16:49:32 GMT
Marvelites complain when the villain dies in their sixth film.  |
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Post by dazz on May 4, 2018 16:56:05 GMT
Marvelites complain when the villain dies in their sixth film. Too soon...  |
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Post by Skaathar on May 4, 2018 18:25:44 GMT
BvS kills Superman: "It was too early to do that. He'd only been in two movies." IW kills Black Panther and Spider-Man (both of whom only had one solo movie and a few cameos): "Brilliant!" The double standard that amuses me is the whole villain defense thing: For years I've heard that argument that the MCU does villains better because they "don't make them the stars of the movie" and "let the heroes shine instead". But now we have a Marvel movie that makes the villain the star and overshadows all the heroes and its "the best movie/villain ever!" The double standard that amuses me is how DC-fans harp on MCU villains being weak when in fact MCU actually makes better villains than the usual DC villain. |
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Post by DarkManX on May 4, 2018 18:35:57 GMT
DC fans have waited years to see a Death and Return of Superman story. Zach The Hack didn't understand this, he just thought fans wanted Superman to die and come back real quick. Also, as has been said, his death wasn't that impactful enough. People barely knew him (and in fact everyone hated him) and other heroes barely knew him. Who, in universe, cared that Superman was dead?
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Post by coldenhaulfield on May 4, 2018 18:53:30 GMT
There should have never been a Batman vs. Superman movie. It was stupid and then they doubled down on stupid and made a Justice League movie rather than a Superman or Batman. Yeah, I never perceived "BvS," conceptually, as some inevitability or ace up WB's sleeve. The (potential) money is (was) in a really good Justice League movie that people feel excited about based on a succession of interesting, competent films featuring the team's individual members (see: MCU Phase One) beforehand. They fucked up what was a fairly simple idea to execute. I don't know if they just overthought it or tried too hard to make DCEU a reaction or alternative to the MCU rather than its own product, but it hasn't worked particularly well or resonated enough with audiences to make the most money possible, as evinced by Infinity War punking out JL's box office numbers harder than Thanos punched Hulk in the throat. It's a shame, seriously. Everyone should be fired, and DC-Fan should be brought it to oversee the DCEU going forward. Innit? |
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Post by ThatGuy on May 4, 2018 19:15:28 GMT
BvS kills Superman: "It was too early to do that. He'd only been in two movies." IW kills Black Panther and Spider-Man (both of whom only had one solo movie and a few cameos): "Brilliant!" It wasn't that Superman died. They did The Death of Superman complete with Doomsday. It was that they did that story early in his movie life. Also, almost everybody died. Superman was singled out as a death that only Batman, Lois and Wonder Woman saw. Another thing is that most of the country hated Superman in BvS continuity . |
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