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Post by hobowar on May 7, 2018 18:43:44 GMT
I'm not really a Star Wars fan I could never really get into Lord of the Rings either. What about Lord of the Dance? That's what they call me
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Post by moviebuffbrad on May 7, 2018 18:57:57 GMT
Why, yes in fact, Luke was the son of the greatest star pilot in the galaxy - a selfless war hero unjustly slain by no less than the film's scariest baddie. Pretty somebody. I feel like midichlorians, which you mention, further reinforce the notion that one must inherit importance from their parents. Yeah, Han was a nobody. He was also a sidekick with no special abilities. People love Han Solo, and I don't think anyone thinks of him as a sidekick. He has no 'special abilities' and is related to nobody and is hugely popular as a character. Conversely, Wonder Woman is part god and quite literally born to do what she does; and her film did gangbusters. Hell, Batman doesn't even have parents anymore. Is he popular? Heritage is completely irrelevant, people are going to appreciate a well written character. The idea that there needed to be a plot point devoted to Rey's parents being nobody is absurd. It was JJ setting up a mystery and Rian discarding it because he couldn't come up with anything. It's that simple. It's that simple when you waste my time having me explain the themes and character motifs just so you can sweep them under the rug like you accuse Johnson of doing, revert back to your original arguments like you're in a hall of mirrors, and or completely reconstruct the discussion to be about other things. Who in the blue hell brought up Rey being the kin of nobody to make her more popular or relatable? It sure wasn't me, and my first reply to you was anything but short of reasons for Rey to be the kin of nobody. You keep bringing unrelated characters (mostly ones who did in fact inherit their superpowers - if Batman's is being rich, where do you think he got it? - but I digress) when TLJ is a Star Wars movie about Star Wars ideas.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on May 7, 2018 19:23:26 GMT
People love Han Solo, and I don't think anyone thinks of him as a sidekick. He has no 'special abilities' and is related to nobody and is hugely popular as a character. Conversely, Wonder Woman is part god and quite literally born to do what she does; and her film did gangbusters. Hell, Batman doesn't even have parents anymore. Is he popular? Heritage is completely irrelevant, people are going to appreciate a well written character. The idea that there needed to be a plot point devoted to Rey's parents being nobody is absurd. It was JJ setting up a mystery and Rian discarding it because he couldn't come up with anything. It's that simple. It's that simple when you waste my time having me explain the themes and character motifs just so you can sweep them under the rug like you accuse Johnson of doing, revert back to your original arguments like you're in a hall of mirrors, and or completely reconstruct the discussion to be about other things. Who in the blue hell brought up Rey being the kin of nobody to make her more popular or relatable? It sure wasn't me, and my first reply to you was anything but short of reasons for Rey to be the kin of nobody. You keep bringing unrelated characters (mostly ones who did in fact inherit their superpowers - if Batman's is being rich, where do you think he got it? - but I digress) when TLJ is a Star Wars movie about Star Wars ideas. You've done nothing but make excuses for terrible writing and avoided anything that refutes your argument. I have to repeat my arguments because you won't address them until I do. Please explain the enormous popularity of Han Solo. Better yet, answer this: If Rey's parentage is irrelevant, why focus on it for two movies? Have her parents get executed by Kylo at the beginning of TFA and be done with it. She's nobody, her parents were nobody. TFA has scenes built around a concept you say people were tired of, and Johnson wasn't interested so he threw it away. I've brought up heroes from Star Wars, as well as other franchises, who 'inherited their super powers' and those who have not to show audiences will accept either. Is Han Solo unrelated to Star Wars? You did, remember? Also, how can I be repeating my argument and reconstructing it at the same time? I've been consistent in my thought process, unlike the guy who makes a point earlier in the thread and then says he doesn't know why I'm arguing that point. It's all good, man. We can agree to disagree on TLJ. I didn't like it and maybe you did. I'm just questioning the logic behind the creative process while you're avoiding a solid explanation and then wondering why I have to repeat myself.
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Post by Skaathar on May 7, 2018 19:31:00 GMT
Wow, well that reviewer was cetainly ridiculously biased. Hint: a movie that divides it's audience reception is probably not as good as a movie that's universally praised.
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Post by President Ackbar™ on May 7, 2018 20:50:36 GMT
What about Lord of the Dance? That's what they call me
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Jun 8, 2018 11:24:00 GMT
I know it's been discussed already, but I just wanted to add this:
The big difference between the two is Infinity War invites it's audience to identify with a genocidal madman.
That's challenging not only for audiences, but for the directors and writers to pull off.
The only thing that Last Jedi challenges you to is to go through an incoherent mess of a film that spends too much time on a subplot that goes nowhere and doesn't even gives us a nice payoff.
The Last Jedi also ends with hope. Infinity War ended with a villain basking in the sun, an ending a hero usually gets.
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Post by darkpast on Mar 12, 2019 22:41:02 GMT
TLJ felt like Spaceballs 2
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Post by CrepedCrusader on Mar 13, 2019 13:41:07 GMT
I like both movies, though I do give TLJ credit for not doing the easy thing and just giving fans what they want.
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Post by barfholomew on Mar 13, 2019 18:58:29 GMT
I like both movies, though I do give TLJ credit for not doing the easy thing and just giving fans what they want. What, being a good movie?
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Post by Skaathar on Mar 13, 2019 19:52:45 GMT
I like both movies, though I do give TLJ credit for not doing the easy thing and just giving fans what they want. So... you're saying they specifically made the movie in such a way that fans would be unhappy with it? Seems counterproductive to me.
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Mar 13, 2019 20:57:00 GMT
I enjoyed TLJ as a sci-fi adventure movie. I did not enjoy it as a Star Wars movie.
Star Wars movies should offer at least a little fan service. TFA gave us maybe a little too much. Rogue One though it wasn't part of the main story gave us the right amount. And even Solo gave us just enough.
But TLJ gave us none; not even a little to wet our beaks. It's not challenging to see Luke do nothing. Its not challenging to shit on practically everything the previous installment set up.
Challenging is TESB. TLJ is no ESB.
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