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Post by Tristan's Journal on May 9, 2018 15:52:24 GMT
Based on artistic merit, dreddio. Love them or hate them, these films stand for imagination and originality. They tell an original story about a democracy falling over itself into totalitarism, and the corruption and rise of demagogues. The Disney films are commercial rehashes without imagination or artistic value of their own.
I would not expect a Disney shill like you to have the brains to realize that.
I agree with the fact that the prequels have a lot of imagination and originality. The world building is so extremely good and the basic premise and expansion of the Star Wars world is fantastic. It makes the fact that I'm disappointed with the end result even more painful. For all of its creativity, the execution (especially in episode 1 & 2) is not good imo, especially in the dialogue department. I still consider the prequels the prime example of 'could've been masterpieces'. I'm convinced the ideas Lucas has, the overall arcs, plot lines, themes and parallels could, with the right direction, even rival the OT. I just wish he would've been a creative director, the one who comes up with the basic story and the worldbuilding. A prequel trilogy envisioned by Lucas, not written by Lucas and directed by someone like Spielberg would've been a masterpiece. I hear you, but do not fully agree on execution. Dialogue (and acting) are peculiar and mixed as in all Star Wars. BUT it's very memorabe and quotable (unlike 99% of Hollywood movies). Bits like "There is always a bigger fish", "You may go home and rethink your life", "This is how liberty dies, with thunderous applause", or "Only a Sith deals in absolutes" etc are brilliant one liners.
But I would not have been opposed to Lucas being limited to creative director and mastermind (provided there is a good people-director who understands the cinematic style of SW)
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Post by DSDSquared on May 9, 2018 16:00:37 GMT
Based on artistic merit, dreddio. Love them or hate them, these films stand for imagination and originality. They tell an original story about a democracy falling over itself into totalitarism, and the corruption and rise of demagogues. The Disney films are commercial rehashes without imagination or artistic value of their own.
I would not expect a Disney shill like you to have the brains to realize that.
I agree with the fact that the prequels have a lot of imagination and originality. The world building is so extremely good and the basic premise and expansion of the Star Wars world is fantastic. It makes the fact that I'm disappointed with the end result even more painful. For all of its creativity, the execution (especially in episode 1 & 2) is just bad imo, especially in the dialogue department. I still consider the prequels the prime example of 'could've been masterpieces'. I'm convinced the ideas Lucas has, the overall arcs, plot lines, themes and parallels could, with the right direction, even rival the OT. I just wish he would've been a creative director, the one who comes up with the basic story and the worldbuilding. A prequel trilogy envisioned by Lucas, not written by Lucas and directed by someone like Spielberg would've been a masterpiece. I 100% agree with this. In fact, I could write this same thing. The prequels are actually the best written of all the Star Wars films. The reason they are considered so bad, and rightfully so, is that the acting and dialogue is TERRIBLE. I still say Attack of the Clones is the worst one easily. Lucas seemed like he couldn't write natural conversations, but he sure could build a world and write a good story. |
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Post by judgejosephdredd on May 9, 2018 16:37:24 GMT
Based on what? Your opinion? Based on artistic merit, dreddio. Love them or hate them, these films stand for imagination and originality. They tell an original story about a democracy falling over itself into totalitarism, and the corruption and rise of demagogues. The Disney films are commercial rehashes without imagination or artistic value of their own.
I would not expect a Disney shill like you to have the brains to realize that.
Ooooooohhhhh "Disney shill", how original, "have the brains to realize that" how clever. You sure you were not the inspiration for Jimmy from "You're the Worst"? At least, partially. |
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Post by Tristan's Journal on May 9, 2018 16:58:56 GMT
Based on artistic merit, dreddio. Love them or hate them, these films stand for imagination and originality. They tell an original story about a democracy falling over itself into totalitarism, and the corruption and rise of demagogues. The Disney films are commercial rehashes without imagination or artistic value of their own.
I would not expect a Disney shill like you to have the brains to realize that.
Ooooooohhhhh "Disney shill", how original, "have the brains to realize that" how clever. I'm afraid it would only be original if I was the first to think and utter that. But as there are countless others that did so before me I just confirmed a fact. It also does not take any cleverness to realize that.
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Post by judgejosephdredd on May 9, 2018 17:05:39 GMT
Ooooooohhhhh "Disney shill", how original, "have the brains to realize that" how clever. I'm afraid it would only be original if I was the first to think and utter that. But as there are countless others that did so before me I just confirmed a fact. It also does not take any cleverness to realize that.
Translation - Blah, blah, blah. |
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Post by summers8 on May 9, 2018 17:24:44 GMT
Interstellar tried. GOTG did not try at all, it was a dumb jokey movie from end to beginning.
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Post by judgejosephdredd on May 9, 2018 17:28:02 GMT
Interstellar tried. GOTG did not try at all, it was a dumb jokey movie from end to beginning. You...You replied to your own thread, like you were a first time reader. Wow. |
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Post by Tristan's Journal on May 9, 2018 18:15:57 GMT
I'm afraid it would only be original if I was the first to think and utter that. But as there are countless others that did so before me I just confirmed a fact. It also does not take any cleverness to realize that.
Translation - Blah, blah, blah. guilty as charged Dredd, but I repaid in kind as your response was without substance and I am not familiar with your relentless pop culture references (sorry, I do not live in my TV). That being said all is better than this blatant piece of shilling translating into a bleating "Meeeeh, mooooar Maaaaarvel": IMDB2.freeforums.net/post/1633258/thread |
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Post by outrider127 on May 9, 2018 22:56:29 GMT
Both of them are in my all time top ten favorite movies
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Post by thenewnexus on May 10, 2018 1:36:47 GMT
the prequels are better than the disney movies. Based on what? Your opinion? The prequels are way better and felt like Star Wars |
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Post by Nicko's Nose on May 10, 2018 1:40:13 GMT
I think Interstellar is about a hundred times better than Guardians of the Galaxy (Interstellar would probably make my top 100, GOTG wouldn’t), but they aren’t really comparable. Totally different movies.
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Post by judgejosephdredd on May 10, 2018 1:54:34 GMT
Based on what? Your opinion? The prequels are way better and felt like Star Wars Nope, that's still an opinion I'm afraid, in other words not a fact. For the record I don't hate the prequels but I don't hate the newer ones either, but can get behind some to most of the criticisms of them. |
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Post by thenewnexus on May 10, 2018 5:00:31 GMT
I agree with the fact that the prequels have a lot of imagination and originality. The world building is so extremely good and the basic premise and expansion of the Star Wars world is fantastic. It makes the fact that I'm disappointed with the end result even more painful. For all of its creativity, the execution (especially in episode 1 & 2) is just bad imo, especially in the dialogue department. I still consider the prequels the prime example of 'could've been masterpieces'. I'm convinced the ideas Lucas has, the overall arcs, plot lines, themes and parallels could, with the right direction, even rival the OT. I just wish he would've been a creative director, the one who comes up with the basic story and the worldbuilding. A prequel trilogy envisioned by Lucas, not written by Lucas and directed by someone like Spielberg would've been a masterpiece. I 100% agree with this. In fact, I could write this same thing. The prequels are actually the best written of all the Star Wars films. The reason they are considered so bad, and rightfully so, is that the acting and dialogue is TERRIBLE. I still say Attack of the Clones is the worst one easily. Lucas seemed like he couldn't write natural conversations, but he sure could build a world and write a good story. Thats the only thing I dislike is Lucas direction besides that I love the prequels they were true SW films |
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