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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2018 13:24:14 GMT
A team of 3 female heroes and an all female team of villains? Debbie, Are you looking to incite the angry jealous white men online? There would be no men in this movie. No men. As an angry white man im all for it so long as DC & WB don't fuck it up, make a good film and I don't care if it's got more chicks than dicks, what do I care if there is more gash than stache, tits than gits, sluts than nuts...ok im gonna stop now, because I cant think of anymore, plus that's really childish but I couldn't help myself...sorry. I am the same. I am just hoping the movie adaptions they make are good especially 'Batgirl' and 'Birds of Prey' 'cause I have been waiting a long time to see them and if done right they could be awesome on screen and the 'Nightwing' movie could be too. I like a lot of male lead comic book series but as a woman I want to see more female lead movies and female superheroes in the movies 'cause I relate more to them and grew up reading more female lead series. We have also had a large amount of male lead comic book movies but very few female lead movies so when we get some like the upcoming movies of 'Razor', 'Fathom' and 'Red Sonja' it is very exciting 'cause I have been waiting years to see them. The two I want to see the most though are 'Witchblade' and 'Hack/Slash.'
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Post by General Kenobi on Jul 1, 2018 13:58:08 GMT
You know what comic book movie want the least? The Crow remake. Not even the universe wants to see that movie made. Which is why it has been plagued by nothing but developmental problems. Most would wise up and leave well enough alone but the studio is belligerently stubborn.
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Post by BexxyJ on Jul 2, 2018 15:24:20 GMT
As an angry white man im all for it so long as DC & WB don't fuck it up, make a good film and I don't care if it's got more chicks than dicks, what do I care if there is more gash than stache, tits than gits, sluts than nuts...ok im gonna stop now, because I cant think of anymore, plus that's really childish but I couldn't help myself...sorry. I am the same. I am just hoping the movie adaptions they make are good especially 'Batgirl' and 'Birds of Prey' 'cause I have been waiting a long time to see them and if done right they could be awesome on screen and the 'Nightwing' movie could be too. I like a lot of male lead comic book series but as a woman I want to see more female lead movies and female superheroes in the movies 'cause I relate more to them and grew up reading more female lead series. We have also had a large amount of male lead comic book movies but very few female lead movies so when we get some like the upcoming movies of 'Razor', 'Fathom' and 'Red Sonja' it is very exciting 'cause I have been waiting years to see them. The two I want to see the most though are 'Witchblade' and 'Hack/Slash.' Now, now. What did I tell you before Debbie? The relatable part is always going to go over heads when you're dealing with entitled white heterosexual males who will call us marxists for wanting to see women in leading roles. That's why we should raise our marxist flags high and say fuck all you asswhipes with your striped pants and doofy hats.
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Post by BexxyJ on Jul 2, 2018 15:29:18 GMT
A team of 3 female heroes and an all female team of villains? Debbie, Are you looking to incite the angry jealous white men online? There would be no men in this movie. No men. As an angry white man im all for it so long as DC & WB don't fuck it up, make a good film and I don't care if it's got more chicks than dicks, what do I care if there is more gash than stache, tits than gits, sluts than nuts...ok im gonna stop now, because I cant think of anymore, plus that's really childish but I couldn't help myself...sorry. You're not a whiny bitch who cries marxism whenever a female lead movie comes up like the other's we've seen. God damn these sorry little fuckers have insecurity issues.
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Post by General Kenobi on Jul 3, 2018 13:13:42 GMT
I think their problems can all be traced back to issues with their mothers.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2018 12:31:00 GMT
You know what comic book movie want the least? The Crow remake. Not even the universe wants to see that movie made. Which is why it has been plagued by nothing but developmental problems. Most would wise up and leave well enough alone but the studio is belligerently stubborn. Yeah. As a fan of 'The Crow' comic books I don't want to see a remake ether. I want to see the sequel where Eric Draven returned to save the city and become the hero of Detroit, 'The Crow/Razor' team up or one of the other stories like the one with Iris Shaw as The Crow or the brand new series, 'The Crow: Memento Mori.' Did you know 'Kill Bill' was meant to be a Crow movie with a female lead? I am not sure what character it was going to be based on 'cause the Bride is very different than Iris Shaw but we were watching a show a few weeks ago about movies and Quentin Tarantino said it was originally written as a Crow move with a female lead but the studio wouldn't let them make a Crow movie with a female lead so it was rewritten to be 'Kill Bill.' Looking at how 'The Crow: Wicked Prayer' killed the Crow franchise they were insane 'cause it could have took the franchise back up to the top.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2018 12:46:04 GMT
I am the same. I am just hoping the movie adaptions they make are good especially 'Batgirl' and 'Birds of Prey' 'cause I have been waiting a long time to see them and if done right they could be awesome on screen and the 'Nightwing' movie could be too. I like a lot of male lead comic book series but as a woman I want to see more female lead movies and female superheroes in the movies 'cause I relate more to them and grew up reading more female lead series. We have also had a large amount of male lead comic book movies but very few female lead movies so when we get some like the upcoming movies of 'Razor', 'Fathom' and 'Red Sonja' it is very exciting 'cause I have been waiting years to see them. The two I want to see the most though are 'Witchblade' and 'Hack/Slash.' Now, now. What did I tell you before Debbie? The relatable part is always going to go over heads when you're dealing with entitled white heterosexual males who will call us marxists for wanting to see women in leading roles. That's why we should raise our marxist flags high and say fuck all you asswhipes with your striped pants and doofy hats. You are right there and I doubt they want us to have any relatable characters in the movies 'cause they don't want female characters in these movies period and don't want female fans watching the movies either except for when it helps their male favourite superheroes at the Box Office 'cause they see the Superhero and Action genre in particular as being a genre exclusively for men which is why they get so angry when they announce female lead movies and they have success like 'Wonder Woman' did. If movies like 'Birds of Prey', 'Captain Marvel', 'Red Sonja', 'Fathom', 'Razor' and 'Sheena: Queen of the Jungle' are successful we will never hear the end of it and they will come up with a ton of excuses to explain their success like they did with 'Wonder Woman' or claim feminists or SJWs altered the Box Office figures.
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Post by dazz on Jul 14, 2018 13:06:36 GMT
Too be honest the feminist thing is fair enough, I mean why wouldn't feminist come out to support a film in a male dominated genre where the lead is a strong and respectable female hero and role model to young girls and women? the SJW thing is bullshit though, but feminist is fair enough imo same as saying BP's box office was bolstered by the afircan American public which again is true and in both cases those demos were higher for those films than typical movies, also both had similar engrossed domestic box offices where they nearly match the world wide gross, where as most CBM's has a higher international box office by a significant margin.
Heres the shocking thing though, I don't think that's a bad thing, in WW & BP they made movies that played good if not great to the mass audience and did astronomically well with their focused audience, that's phenomenal as it means they made films that told the possitive message they wanted and did so in a way the masses responded to it, I mean how often do we see it where the masses respond badly to the right messages and great to the wrong ones?
Lets just hope the fans aren't as such dicks to the sequel as they have tended to be in regards to other sequels for surprisingly good first films, because you know fans...what a bunch of cocks they can.
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Post by General Kenobi on Jul 17, 2018 14:23:58 GMT
Agreed. Fandom wouldn't be so bad if it weren't for the fans.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2018 12:40:37 GMT
Too be honest the feminist thing is fair enough, I mean why wouldn't feminist come out to support a film in a male dominated genre where the lead is a strong and respectable female hero and role model to young girls and women? the SJW thing is bullshit though, but feminist is fair enough imo same as saying BP's box office was bolstered by the afircan American public which again is true and in both cases those demos were higher for those films than typical movies, also both had similar engrossed domestic box offices where they nearly match the world wide gross, where as most CBM's has a higher international box office by a significant margin. Heres the shocking thing though, I don't think that's a bad thing, in WW & BP they made movies that played good if not great to the mass audience and did astronomically well with their focused audience, that's phenomenal as it means they made films that told the possitive message they wanted and did so in a way the masses responded to it, I mean how often do we see it where the masses respond badly to the right messages and great to the wrong ones? Lets just hope the fans aren't as such dicks to the sequel as they have tended to be in regards to other sequels for surprisingly good first films, because you know fans...what a bunch of cocks they can. Good point. In a genre that has long been male dominated movies like 'Wonder Woman' are going to have a lot of support but to claim feminists altered the Box Office figures like hacked into something to edit them to make it look like 'Wonder Woman' was a success and it really wasn't is downright ridiculous but they made the exact same claims about the success of the 'Black Panther' movie and 'Black Lives Matter' and said the 'Black Lives Matter' movement threatened to shoot everybody if the Box Office figures didn't hit a certain figure 'cause they were trying to force black leads on everybody and make black people feel relevant. When it comes to the success of movies with female leads, people of colour as leads or LGBT leads they always attract a lot of sexists, racists and homophobes now and it might be 'cause the internet was still in its primitive stages but I don't remember there being as much racist hate for 'Men In Black' and 'Blade' having African American leads as 'Black Panther' and I think what cjdull76 wrote on another thread about Donald Trump emboldening bigots is true 'cause I am seeing far more racists writing about these movies than I saw before.
The SJW claim is annoying 'cause they seem to blame everything on Social Justice Warriors now including things that have nothing to do with the subject and a lot of hate for SJWs is being blamed on people of colour now 'cause they believe the first Social Justice Warriors were the white people that helped give equal rights to black people and that was where all their problems began. I am hoping both 'Wonder Woman 2' and 'Black Panther 2' are successful too so we can ram it in their faces.
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Post by dazz on Jul 26, 2018 16:46:29 GMT
The only argument I can see against WW & BP is that the narrative got skewed a little with people treating the domestic take as be all and end all, because in those cases both broke records like seriously broke them, they didn't get within on or 2 slots from the top of certain records but the top spot domestically, but not globally, and there was some over hyping the films, and their success before it reached them, like WW had people and articles claiming it was going to break a certain record "this weekend" for atleast 3 weekends in a row, and some of the things are inflated just because the studios wanted to hit certain numbers, we maybe seeing that now with BP being within $100k of hitting $700m domestic Disney seem to be trying to coax that number even if financially it means nothing for them they just want it to hit $700m, same happened with Wrinkle In Time, they wanted it to hit $100m domestically so they did some finagling.
But were still talking $800m+ & $1.2B+ respectively before the finagling began they were outright hits either way, and good movies, just not the masterpieces some reported as imo but then again I love Howard The Duck & Masters Of The Universe so...
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Post by General Kenobi on Jul 26, 2018 21:38:29 GMT
People are obsessed with box office and breaking records. You can have a very successful film but if it doesn't break all records it's considered a flop.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2018 13:43:04 GMT
The only argument I can see against WW & BP is that the narrative got skewed a little with people treating the domestic take as be all and end all, because in those cases both broke records like seriously broke them, they didn't get within on or 2 slots from the top of certain records but the top spot domestically, but not globally, and there was some over hyping the films, and their success before it reached them, like WW had people and articles claiming it was going to break a certain record "this weekend" for atleast 3 weekends in a row, and some of the things are inflated just because the studios wanted to hit certain numbers, we maybe seeing that now with BP being within $100k of hitting $700m domestic Disney seem to be trying to coax that number even if financially it means nothing for them they just want it to hit $700m, same happened with Wrinkle In Time, they wanted it to hit $100m domestically so they did some finagling. But were still talking $800m+ & $1.2B+ respectively before the finagling began they were outright hits either way, and good movies, just not the masterpieces some reported as imo but then again I love Howard The Duck & Masters Of The Universe so... Fair enough. I just think with the case of 'Wonder Woman' and 'Black Panther' both movies received a lot of hate online purely on the basis of sexism and racism and if you had replaced them with white male leads they most likely wouldn't have got the same amount of hate much like 'Ghostbusters (2016)' movie which was far from perfect and I would have preferred if they had gone with the original idea with Alyssa Milano playing Ilyssa in live action with Paul Rudd as a grownup Oscar and Eliza Dushku and Anna Farris but that faced a heck of a lot of hate the moment it was announced it was going to have female leads and the same haters didn't hate on it when it was first announced it was going to be a reboot until it was revealed it was going to have female leads and if it had male leads I doubt it would have got as much hate. There are groups of sexists and racists online that target anything that has female leads and people of colour in leading roles and a lot of their claims about how these movies are only successful 'cause they have female leads or people of colour just make them look like idiots especially in 'Wonder Woman's' case with one member who used to write on the DCEU and MCU boards and the 'Wonder Woman' boards on IMDB who said "Wonder Woman was going to flop harder than Ghostbusters (2016) and be the death of the DCEU 'cause no one wanted or cared about movies about women" and they then were asking "what are feminists going to do when Wonder Woman flopped and who feminists were going to blame" and months later they are on the DCEU board writing 'Wonder Woman' was only a success 'cause it had a female lead and feminists.
Their stories changed to suit their narratives.
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Post by dazz on Jul 31, 2018 14:12:21 GMT
Nope not touching it, if I start on GB 2016 i'll be here for hours, nope not going to debate the pos film ever again I will NOT fall down that rabbit hole again... ….cant….hold....it....back...much...longer... AAAAAAAAH!!!!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2018 13:39:05 GMT
Nope not touching it, if I start on GB 2016 i'll be here for hours, nope not going to debate the pos film ever again I will NOT fall down that rabbit hole again... ….cant….hold....it....back...much...longer... AAAAAAAAH!!!! Okay. Well, the point being is I think even if 'Ghostbusters (2016)' was a great movie or even a masterpiece it still would have been hated on just as much 'cause many fans had made up their minds about it the second it was announced it was having a female cast. On the other hand with a male cast I think you still would have had some people saying it was a masterpiece even if it was bad and when there was talk about an alternate all male cast movie being made around the same time they were all jumping behind that.
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Post by General Kenobi on Aug 13, 2018 14:36:52 GMT
If the film was better the comments from haters wouldn't matter since they would be drowned out by fans.
Unfortunately the film was underwhelming. Which is a shame because of all the talent involved.
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Post by dazz on Aug 13, 2018 16:59:34 GMT
Oh damn I tried lord knows I tried but I cannot hold back any longer, imo the film after the initial dipshits responses basically adopted the attitude the only reason you don't like it is because you are a sexist, which doesn't aid in constructive criticism, the reason I disliked it was because it lacked all the charm of the original, the original was for what it was scary, characters had stakes to their actions and felt like real people in an implausible situation, the remake was slapstick, the same old same old from McCarthy and also more a parody of the original than a remake, but those criticism were met with almost nothing but "Nah youd have loved it if they were guys, sexist pig", which is not an attitude I respond well to.
But we see it all the time, look at the Marvel Vs. DC feud, or the Felicity fan rebellion on Arrow, the SW backlash ignorance and unwillingness to accept criticism just riles up the fans and causes the ill feelings to grow to where people do get really annoyed and angry, obviously some twats go way too far early and usually paint all those with issues with the same brain damaged brush but still the studios and the like are also to blame for basically telling what fans do like the product or direction, you are right for liking this everyone who doesn't is this, go defend us.
And I dunno how many people would have liked the film if it were all male cast, I mean most people don't like GB2 either, so I kind of have to disagree if the film was good it wouldn't have gotten the reaction it did, but had the studio and director not tried to hide the fact they made a meh film by hiding behind no the films good their all just sexist, maybe they wouldn't have gotten as much crap as they did, obviously some idiots are always going to be the dregs of humanity in any given situation, but I honestly don't think the mass criticism and financial failure the film suffered was due to people not giving it a fair shake on the grounds of the cast being primarily women.
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Post by General Kenobi on Aug 13, 2018 17:41:24 GMT
I don't think critics of the film would be labeled as sexist if it weren't from the early, knee-jerk reactions from butchery men upset with a female cast.
It became hard to separate real criticism from the He-Man Woman Haters bellyaching. No one was being rational but emotional and kept getting mad at each other without listening to one another.
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Post by stargazer1682 on Aug 13, 2018 18:32:06 GMT
For the record, I liked Ghostbusters 2, but probably because growing up it was constantly on tv and I saw it a million times before I even had a chance to watch the original.
I haven't seen the remake, and I don't know that I will, mainly because of the leads; and not because they're women, but because I just can't stand like three out of four of them - Melissa McCarthy plays the same tired and obnoxious character in every movie. Ditto Kristen Wiig, at least to some degree; there were only maybe one or two recurring characters she had on SNL I didn't immediately want to fast forward past. I used to like Kate McKinnon, but I feel she's become more of a caricature. I've warmed up to Leslie Jones, somewhat.
There are so many other women who could have done so much more with this type of movie.
Cecily Strong - I know she technically appeared, and I was pissed when I found out the type of bit role she had, because she could have easily played any of the leads and made it exponentially better right out of the gate. Vanessa Bayer Karen Gillan Gillian Jacobs Rashida Jones Natalie Morales Melissa Benoist Freema Agyeman Kristen Bell Robin Thede Jessica Williams
Those are just some off the top of my head, and I feel like I'm definitely forgetting some I've mentioned as actresses who I would have preferred to have seen over the leads who were cast. The primary cast they went with struck me as the actors you would pick for an SNL parody response to the announcement of an all female Ghostbusters movie being made.
There is no doubt that women deserve stronger presence in virtually everything, but the idea of "let's remake Ghostbusters, but only with women" falls into the category of let's do a thing solely to do the thing; and then its success or failure is measured entirely by how well it checked those boxes. That seems unnecessarily reductive and restrictive. No doubt at some level, either by the writer or director, there needs to be that conscious decision to cast strong female performers in significant lead roles, and to create those opportunities to an equitable degree as they're being created for men, but on the face of it, that's not how it should be sold to the pubic. That's like saying, "look at this lady doctor!" A female doctor is just a doctor; and a movie, whether it's Ghostbusters or something else, that has a predominantly female cast should just be presented as a good movie and should be first and foremost on the list criteria for making it.
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Post by General Kenobi on Aug 14, 2018 9:53:15 GMT
Unfortunately Hollywood is not concerned with making good movies but getting as many people into seats as possible. They know there are a lot of female viewers and want to tap into that market. But they have no idea how to do so without it coming across as a cheap gimmick.
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