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Post by RedDeadFallout on May 12, 2018 23:59:18 GMT
Or you could rewrite it... Yes, you could take Hope out all together. But then they needed a person to be on the inside of the company... And you also need a connection for Pym to have. And the movie was about fathers wanting to be with their daughters and not having that wife anymore. See what is happening here? Unraveling. No you could just rewrite it so that Hope has the right motivations, screenplays aren't organisms that grow out of control. |
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Post by ThatGuy on May 13, 2018 0:10:42 GMT
Yes, you could take Hope out all together. But then they needed a person to be on the inside of the company... And you also need a connection for Pym to have. And the movie was about fathers wanting to be with their daughters and not having that wife anymore. See what is happening here? Unraveling. No you could just rewrite it so that Hope has the right motivations, screenplays aren't organisms that grow out of control. What right motivations? She wants to be close to her father as much as her wants to be close to her. Only thing holding them back is that they are too much alike. She's upset that he didn't come to her about being Ant-man. And he doesn't want her to wear the suit because he's afraid she'd end up like her mother. Would you rather she didn't want to be upset with him and not want to be close to him? It's called having a character.
Also, another point of Hope was to do the Wasp later.
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Post by RedDeadFallout on May 13, 2018 1:51:31 GMT
No you could just rewrite it so that Hope has the right motivations, screenplays aren't organisms that grow out of control. What right motivations? She wants to be close to her father as much as her wants to be close to her. Only thing holding them back is that they are too much alike. She's upset that he didn't come to her about being Ant-man. And he doesn't want her to wear the suit because he's afraid she'd end up like her mother. Would you rather she didn't want to be upset with him and not want to be close to him? It's called having a character.
Also, another point of Hope was to do the Wasp later.
You're very attached to what they wrote for the first movie, that doesn't mean they couldn't have done it differently, and possibly much better. |
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Post by Power Ranger on May 13, 2018 7:19:00 GMT
That’s like saying Iron Man 2 should have been called War Machine.
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Post by ThatGuy on May 13, 2018 13:52:52 GMT
That’s like saying Iron Man 2 should have been called War Machine. Or that Iron Man 1 should have been about Rhodey being Iron Man because he wanted to wear the suit and he's Air Force so he should be better able to use it. |
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Post by ThatGuy on May 13, 2018 13:54:28 GMT
What right motivations? She wants to be close to her father as much as her wants to be close to her. Only thing holding them back is that they are too much alike. She's upset that he didn't come to her about being Ant-man. And he doesn't want her to wear the suit because he's afraid she'd end up like her mother. Would you rather she didn't want to be upset with him and not want to be close to him? It's called having a character.
Also, another point of Hope was to do the Wasp later.
You're very attached to what they wrote for the first movie, that doesn't mean they couldn't have done it differently, and possibly much better. But that was the point of the 1st movie. And they wrote her wanting to use the tech (and a quick learner to use it) so it would make sense that she'd just jump right into it later. |
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Post by RedDeadFallout on May 13, 2018 22:09:10 GMT
You're very attached to what they wrote for the first movie, that doesn't mean they couldn't have done it differently, and possibly much better. But that was the point of the 1st movie. And they wrote her wanting to use the tech (and a quick learner to use it) so it would make sense that she'd just jump right into it later. Again, nothing in the film was set in stone, "the point" can be changed. Hell they rewrote the script and the original writer/director just got a story credit. |
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Post by ThatGuy on May 13, 2018 22:25:43 GMT
But that was the point of the 1st movie. And they wrote her wanting to use the tech (and a quick learner to use it) so it would make sense that she'd just jump right into it later. Again, nothing in the film was set in stone, "the point" can be changed. Hell they rewrote the script and the original writer/director just got a story credit. Quite a bit of what he started was kept in. |
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Post by RedDeadFallout on May 20, 2018 22:38:01 GMT
Again, nothing in the film was set in stone, "the point" can be changed. Hell they rewrote the script and the original writer/director just got a story credit. Quite a bit of what he started was kept in. Well none of us have read his script so we can't know how much was changed, but he did lose his writing credit, so they were clearly willing to change it. |
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Post by merh on May 21, 2018 5:18:51 GMT
Just watching the trailer for the sequel for the first time and thought it treats Wasp as a bit of an afterthought, but she should be far better in all aspects since she was not only training her whole life probably but even trained Scott. Reminded me the first film was a bit pathetic, she couldn't do the job until her daddy said so and a completely unqualified thief gets the gig. Did you take a bathroom break when Scott explained to Hope why her dad picked him? Because Scott was expendable. Hope wasnt |
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Post by RedDeadFallout on May 21, 2018 8:43:38 GMT
Just watching the trailer for the sequel for the first time and thought it treats Wasp as a bit of an afterthought, but she should be far better in all aspects since she was not only training her whole life probably but even trained Scott. Reminded me the first film was a bit pathetic, she couldn't do the job until her daddy said so and a completely unqualified thief gets the gig. Did you take a bathroom break when Scott explained to Hope why her dad picked him? Because Scott was expendable. Hope wasnt Again, scripts can be rewritten without pathetic excuses. |
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Post by merh on May 21, 2018 12:39:06 GMT
Did you take a bathroom break when Scott explained to Hope why her dad picked him? Because Scott was expendable. Hope wasnt Again, scripts can be rewritten without pathetic excuses. But it was a major point of the film that Pym grieved when he lost Janet, shutting down as it were, so that Hope lost both parents. It is unthinkable a man would become dysfunctional at such a loss? Wasn't a good parent, but he was human. Speaking as someone who had a spouse die when my kid was 10, it does put one's head in a funk |
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