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Post by General Kenobi on Oct 12, 2018 0:46:08 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2018 5:30:17 GMT
It is 'cause they have run out of ideas and they don't want to pay new writers to come up with new shows or take a chance on them in case they flop so they just remake everything they know has been successful in the past thinking that it will be successful again but it doesn't always work out that way and the remakes of 'Chips' and 'The Bionic Woman' were good examples of this and part of the reason 'Chips' flopped was 'cause they made too many changes to it. That being said shows can also flop when they don't make any changes 'cause people don't want to see the exact same thing years later and with a TV show like 'The Munsters' they are most likely going to have to make a few changes to it to modernize it could be another disaster but maybe cjdull76 is right to have some faith 'cause it might a success. Don’t even talk about the Chips movie. I’d rather watch the original tv show again and forget that abomination ever happened but they’ll remake it again because they can’t help themselves. That Bionic Woman remake was a stinker. Still can’t believe they have the audacity to remake the Six Million Dollar Man next after they fucked that up and putting a billion instead of a million in the title ain’t fooling anybody. I’ll give The Munsters one chance but if the first episode sucks I won’t be watching it again. Count me out. Well, apparently the 'Six Million Dollar Man' remake has been pushed back and it is unknown when it is going to be released now and perhaps they are worried about the reception of some other TV shows that have been turned into movies like 'Chips' so they are going to make some big changes to it. I don't think there have been many movies based on TV shows that have been successful and when you compare them to remakes of movies from the past I can only think of a few that have been popular while most of them especially the ones made in the past decade have been hated by fans of the original shows. My Aunt didn't like the remakes of 'The A Team', 'Starsky and Hutch', 'The Dukes of Hazard', 'Miami Vice', 'Bewitched' and 'Chips' as you know and 'Bewitched' was one of the worst and I still hear people complaining about that 'cause it wasn't a proper remake of the original show and was about actors playing those characters and was very misleading.
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Post by General Kenobi on Oct 30, 2018 16:40:39 GMT
If they respect the source material, instead of using as a source of bad jokes, they could have a good movie based on an older TV show. But it doesn't look like they realize that is the problem and keep repeating it.
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Post by dazz on Oct 31, 2018 3:11:37 GMT
The thing that makes me laugh is how when they remake this stuff it's usually as a means to mock the original which is like why, do they not realise the only people who will watch the film remake of a classic TV show are the fans of said show, or the actors they hired, pissing off half the audience of the film by mocking the show isn't going to make it a hit, and if you are going to do that why bother getting the IP, surely that's more expensive because you have to pay whoever owns a piece of the original show right, where as spoofing you can do for free because isn't it legally protected? I think it is that's how ECW made a shit load of cash with the bWo back in the day.
Also no shit an old show has outdated representation, ideas or characters, so will modern TV in 20 years, that's why shows that age well are so rare and special, Big Bang Theory hasn't aged well during it's lifetime imagine how shit people will think of it in 2032.
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Post by BexxyJ on Nov 5, 2018 4:58:05 GMT
Don’t even talk about the Chips movie. I’d rather watch the original tv show again and forget that abomination ever happened but they’ll remake it again because they can’t help themselves. That Bionic Woman remake was a stinker. Still can’t believe they have the audacity to remake the Six Million Dollar Man next after they fucked that up and putting a billion instead of a million in the title ain’t fooling anybody. I’ll give The Munsters one chance but if the first episode sucks I won’t be watching it again. Count me out. Well, apparently the 'Six Million Dollar Man' remake has been pushed back and it is unknown when it is going to be released now and perhaps they are worried about the reception of some other TV shows that have been turned into movies like 'Chips' so they are going to make some big changes to it. I don't think there have been many movies based on TV shows that have been successful and when you compare them to remakes of movies from the past I can only think of a few that have been popular while most of them especially the ones made in the past decade have been hated by fans of the original shows. My Aunt didn't like the remakes of 'The A Team', 'Starsky and Hutch', 'The Dukes of Hazard', 'Miami Vice', 'Bewitched' and 'Chips' as you know and 'Bewitched' was one of the worst and I still hear people complaining about that 'cause it wasn't a proper remake of the original show and was about actors playing those characters and was very misleading.
Could it be they are coming to their senses or are they waiting until they have more remakes up their sleeves so they can say here's a bunch of old tv shows you might have liked. Let's see how much we can fuck them. Just cancel all the movie remakes of tv shows until they can start getting them right.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2018 12:24:18 GMT
The thing that makes me laugh is how when they remake this stuff it's usually as a means to mock the original which is like why, do they not realise the only people who will watch the film remake of a classic TV show are the fans of said show, or the actors they hired, pissing off half the audience of the film by mocking the show isn't going to make it a hit, and if you are going to do that why bother getting the IP, surely that's more expensive because you have to pay whoever owns a piece of the original show right, where as spoofing you can do for free because isn't it legally protected? I think it is that's how ECW made a shit load of cash with the bWo back in the day. Also no shit an old show has outdated representation, ideas or characters, so will modern TV in 20 years, that's why shows that age well are so rare and special, Big Bang Theory hasn't aged well during it's lifetime imagine how shit people will think of it in 2032. If they respect the source material, instead of using as a source of bad jokes, they could have a good movie based on an older TV show. But it doesn't look like they realize that is the problem and keep repeating it. Oh, I agree with both of you and I don't understand it either 'cause when it comes to old TV shows like 'Chips' and 'The Dukes of Hazzard' there are a lot of fans of the original TV shows who still watch them now on pay TV channels and on DVD and those are the ones who are going to be most interested in seeing new movies of their favourite shows and when they take them and turn them into jokes it is not surprising when they flop and the fans hate them. They did make a number of movies of old TV shows in the 80s and 90s and they got the original stars back for them like 'Hart to Hart', 'Simon & Simon', 'I Dream of Jeanie' and 'The Rockford Files' and they kept 'Columbo' going for a number of years and were only having one episode a year near the end and a lot of the fans liked these 'cause they kept them the same way as the originals but the remakes often fail to do that and go in completely different directions and the 'Charlie's Angels' and 'The Bionic Woman' remake TV shows were an example of this but instead of making them more comedic they made them darker and had the Angels as former criminals and I wasn't surprised it got cancelled so quickly. Let's hope the new movie does a better job but I think they should have got Drew, Cameron and Lucy back for one more.
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Post by General Kenobi on Nov 17, 2018 15:19:05 GMT
Another example of a beloved TV series getting a horrible movie is The Lone Ranger. Who has two under his belt. Mostly because they have no idea what to do with the source material and have wooden leads, stick in a bunch of bad jokes or racist portrayals of Native Americans.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2019 11:59:48 GMT
Another example of a beloved TV series getting a horrible movie is The Lone Ranger. Who has two under his belt. Mostly because they have no idea what to do with the source material and have wooden leads, stick in a bunch of bad jokes or racist portrayals of Native Americans. Yeah. I haven't seen 'The Lone Ranger' movies but I heard the movies were pretty bad and it is weird how movies can fail to get some stories and characters right that the writers of TV shows have done a great job with and 'Buffy the Vampire Slayer' was a great example of that even though it was around the other way with the movie debuting first and the movie was very poor and forgettable but the TV show went on to become one of the most popular TV Shows of all time. Some people might disagree with me on this but I think the majority of 'Superman' movies have failed to do the character justice whereas the TV shows have done a far better job and aside from Christopher Reeve George Reeves, Dean Cain and even Tom Welling's shows were better written and took more risks. I heard the 'Mission Impossible' movies with Tom Cruise have been very popular but I have never watched any of them even though I watched the original TV show 'cause I heard it isn't like the original show and is missing a lot of the characters.
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Post by dazz on Jan 7, 2019 17:01:27 GMT
That makes sense though when you think about it comics are episodic movies generally aren't, so TV and Radio back in the day make for great adaptations of the work, only issue with TV is the budget not being enough to often properly explore the characters where as the movies do.
Buffy as a film was fine, but the show was better but that's because that set up benefited from a episodic format, her story wasn't done by the end of that movie, and you think the movie had to introduce the character, much of the lore, the set up, build and pay off in the same span the TV show had just to do the set up, we then got 10-11 more episodes just for that first season, no wonder it worked better.
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Post by General Kenobi on Jan 11, 2019 12:39:39 GMT
Television is slowing eclipsing movies. More episodes means more nuanced stories. They're getting better talent, both in front of the camera and behind, and special effects are improving. Combined with the luxury of watching in the comfort of your own home and watching whenever you want it's clear to see that with television it's getting better all the time.
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Post by stargazer1682 on Jan 11, 2019 23:58:33 GMT
Television is slowing eclipsing movies. More episodes means more nuanced stories. They're getting better talent, both in front of the camera and behind, and special effects are improving. Combined with the luxury of watching in the comfort of your own home and watching whenever you want it's clear to see that with television it's getting better all the time. I've always thought that, that was why TV was the most appropriate medium for something like comic book stories; and I've been thinking that before the likes of streaming media was ever a concept. Who would have expected "television" would become such a nebulous concept that only became more convenient? This is also the reason why, after recently (finally) reading the Harry Potter books, I'd be completely on board with a live action series adapting the stories, where all of the little details left out of the movies could be included. I mean, half the Weasley children alone got screwed, never mind Dobby or Kreacher.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2019 11:42:54 GMT
That makes sense though when you think about it comics are episodic movies generally aren't, so TV and Radio back in the day make for great adaptations of the work, only issue with TV is the budget not being enough to often properly explore the characters where as the movies do. Buffy as a film was fine, but the show was better but that's because that set up benefited from a episodic format, her story wasn't done by the end of that movie, and you think the movie had to introduce the character, much of the lore, the set up, build and pay off in the same span the TV show had just to do the set up, we then got 10-11 more episodes just for that first season, no wonder it worked better. Yeah. I suppose it does which is why I think a lot of these characters are wasted being used in movies instead of TV shows and there are so many more things you can do with superheroes like Batman, Superman, Spider-Man and the X Men in a 10 season show like 'Smallville' was than 3 movies and you can have all their side characters and villains and play out a number of the storylines from the comic books. It is a shame Fox never went through with the X Men TV show they were talking about making before and went with 'The Gifted' and 'Legion' and while I actually like 'The Gifted' a rebooted X Men TV show with Wolverine, Cyclops, Rogue, Storm, Gambit, Beast, Jean, Jubilee, Morph, Emma Frost, Nightcrawler, Archangel, Psylocke, Colossus and Alpha Flight members like Aurora, Northstar and Guardian could have been really awesome if it was handled well. I don't know why Marvel never tried making another 'Spider-Man' TV show after the one in the 70s with Nicholas Hammond out of 'The Sound of Music' 'cause while that was poorly handled a TV show made in the 90s could have been better as evident by 'Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman' and 'The Incredible Hulk' in the 80s but we never got another Batman show after the Adam West show which was a big mistake.
I wasn't a fan of the 'Buffy' movie. It wasn't horrible but looking back it was really lacking without the other characters and I didn't like the way the vampires didn't turn into ash when they were dusted and think Sarah Michelle Gellar was better in the role. I think a movie with Sarah Michelle Gellar based after Season 7 could have been awesome but it is too late now.
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Post by stargazer1682 on Jan 29, 2019 14:39:27 GMT
That makes sense though when you think about it comics are episodic movies generally aren't, so TV and Radio back in the day make for great adaptations of the work, only issue with TV is the budget not being enough to often properly explore the characters where as the movies do. Buffy as a film was fine, but the show was better but that's because that set up benefited from a episodic format, her story wasn't done by the end of that movie, and you think the movie had to introduce the character, much of the lore, the set up, build and pay off in the same span the TV show had just to do the set up, we then got 10-11 more episodes just for that first season, no wonder it worked better. Yeah. I suppose it does which is why I think a lot of these characters are wasted being used in movies instead of TV shows and there are so many more things you can do with superheroes like Batman, Superman, Spider-Man and the X Men in a 10 season show like 'Smallville' was than 3 movies and you can have all their side characters and villains and play out a number of the storylines from the comic books. It is a shame Fox never went through with the X Men TV show they were talking about making before and went with 'The Gifted' and 'Legion' and while I actually like 'The Gifted' a rebooted X Men TV show with Wolverine, Cyclops, Rogue, Storm, Gambit, Beast, Jean, Jubilee, Morph, Emma Frost, Nightcrawler, Archangel, Psylocke, Colossus and Alpha Flight members like Aurora, Northstar and Guardian could have been really awesome if it was handled well. I don't know why Marvel never tried making another 'Spider-Man' TV show after the one in the 70s with Nicholas Hammond out of 'The Sound of Music' 'cause while that was poorly handled a TV show made in the 90s could have been better as evident by 'Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman' and 'The Incredible Hulk' in the 80s but we never got another Batman show after the Adam West show which was a big mistake.
I wasn't a fan of the 'Buffy' movie. It wasn't horrible but looking back it was really lacking without the other characters and I didn't like the way the vampires didn't turn into ash when they were dusted and think Sarah Michelle Gellar was better in the role. I think a movie with Sarah Michelle Gellar based after Season 7 could have been awesome but it is too late now. I don't know if you know this (you being you, you probably do), but one of the biggest critics of the movie is actually Joss Whedon. He was extremely displeased with all of the changes made to the movie, including the tone, making it campier than he had intended. Also, the only reason the vamps turned to dust in the series was to make it easier to get the dead vampire out of the way and not have a body lay around, or necessitate Buffy disposing of it at some point. I'd still like to see something that picks up the story years later. I've had several ideas about different directions it could go; and even explain things, like why Angel or Spike look older. I'd especially be keen if it completely, or even just mostly ignored the comics.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2019 12:47:29 GMT
Yeah. I suppose it does which is why I think a lot of these characters are wasted being used in movies instead of TV shows and there are so many more things you can do with superheroes like Batman, Superman, Spider-Man and the X Men in a 10 season show like 'Smallville' was than 3 movies and you can have all their side characters and villains and play out a number of the storylines from the comic books. It is a shame Fox never went through with the X Men TV show they were talking about making before and went with 'The Gifted' and 'Legion' and while I actually like 'The Gifted' a rebooted X Men TV show with Wolverine, Cyclops, Rogue, Storm, Gambit, Beast, Jean, Jubilee, Morph, Emma Frost, Nightcrawler, Archangel, Psylocke, Colossus and Alpha Flight members like Aurora, Northstar and Guardian could have been really awesome if it was handled well. I don't know why Marvel never tried making another 'Spider-Man' TV show after the one in the 70s with Nicholas Hammond out of 'The Sound of Music' 'cause while that was poorly handled a TV show made in the 90s could have been better as evident by 'Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman' and 'The Incredible Hulk' in the 80s but we never got another Batman show after the Adam West show which was a big mistake.
I wasn't a fan of the 'Buffy' movie. It wasn't horrible but looking back it was really lacking without the other characters and I didn't like the way the vampires didn't turn into ash when they were dusted and think Sarah Michelle Gellar was better in the role. I think a movie with Sarah Michelle Gellar based after Season 7 could have been awesome but it is too late now. I don't know if you know this (you being you, you probably do), but one of the biggest critics of the movie is actually Joss Whedon. He was extremely displeased with all of the changes made to the movie, including the tone, making it campier than he had intended. Also, the only reason the vamps turned to dust in the series was to make it easier to get the dead vampire out of the way and not have a body lay around, or necessitate Buffy disposing of it at some point. I'd still like to see something that picks up the story years later. I've had several ideas about different directions it could go; and even explain things, like why Angel or Spike look older. I'd especially be keen if it completely, or even just mostly ignored the comics. Yes. I did know about that stargazer1682 and I heard he was quite upset over it 'cause he believed with 'Buffy the Vampire Slayer' he had something special and it could have been a lot more popular so he took it into his own hands and made it into a TV show and it is a good thing he did or we would be living in some weird bizarrio world where 'Buffy' never happened. It is amazing how popular 'Buffy' went onto become as a TV Show compared to the movie and I think the movie would have mostly been forgot about now if it was not for the TV Show 'cause it was pretty forgettable in my opinion and Kristy Swanson was very attractive back then but when it come to acting skills I didn't think she was as good as Sarah Michelle Gellar. Was it Joss who decided he didn't want Kristy back or did she turn down the TV show 'cause I heard Pike was originally going to be in the TV Show but Luke Perry wanted too much money to be in it and then Joss decided to go with Angel instead who was a far better character (no offence to the late Luke Perry). I am still not entirely sure if the show and the movie are connected to each other though. It works as a continuation series but I heard it wasn't.
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Post by stargazer1682 on Mar 15, 2019 15:25:17 GMT
I don't know about any of the casting details; at least in terms of making it a straight spin-off of the movie. I imagine by that point, since it had been a couple of years removed from when the movie came out, it wouldn't have been practical to try and keep the same actress in the role and still set it in high school. They kind of strained credulity with some of the ages of the actors they did settle on - not that I'd have wanted them change a single person for the world.
I feel like I had read something about them wanting to use Pike, but I can't remember the details. I think that was who Ford was originally supposed to be. There might have been some rights issues; because even though it was based on the movie that Joss originally wrote, he doesn't own the rights themselves to the movie or characters stemming from it. It might be another story for the vast majority of characters added to the Buffyverse through the two tv shows, but I know they had to license the rights to the general title of the show and the main character, from the people who actually owned the rights to the movie. And I want to say that factored into Pike not being on the show.
I almost wish I could have been a proverbial fly on the wall during the time show was being cast; mostly to better understand how all of that actually played out. Because I've read different accounts for some of them over the years; and I feel like some of the actors don't necessarily remember things exactly how it was and they just keep building on what they think they remember, until it becomes this resolute fact in their memory. It's not by any shade of he imagination important, but I hate when people mis-remember events and start actively, but unwittingly creating false memories; it drive me nuts.
Like, there was an interview with Alyson Hannigan where she talked about her audition for Buffy and had been there with Nicholas Brendon; and when she saw him later, he indicated that she was basically a lock for the role of Willow - yet when they did the first pilot, they had cast an entirely different actress as Willow; so clearly Alyson didn't win the role the first time around.
The one that really sticks out to me is that lately Sarah keeps talking about how she was originally cast as Cordelia - which, I don't know, maybe she really was, but I know that her comment to that effect surprised Charisma at a group thing they did recently; and I'm fairly certain I read at one point that Sarah only read for the part of Cordelia, like one of the very first times she came in to audition. But they they decided early on that they wanted to consider her for the part of Buffy instead; and from that point on she was only being considered that part and not offered a different one. Which, I could be completely mistaken about; I have no reason to actually believe Sarah is conflating what happened to her (apart from memory being a tricky thing; and that it's not that uncommon of phenomena), but there's just something about hearing her say, especially now. It wasn't something she had been saying all the time over the last 15-20 years, it's become her go to comment now, like within the last couple of years; which kind of makes the accuracy of her recollection suspect, even though I have no reason to doubt her....
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Post by General Kenobi on Mar 16, 2019 10:47:30 GMT
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