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Post by spiderwort on May 17, 2018 20:22:43 GMT
First, let me say that I'm not up to date on Malick's films after The Tree of Life (2011), because I stopped watching them after that one, having grown weary of his lack of interest in the importance of a strong narrative.
That said, I do think he's a real artist, and I have many thoughts about his works. First and foremost, the characters in his films are products of the space they inhabit, which inherently forms and informs their lives (perhaps true in any film, but profoundly true in a Malick film). Forever a prairie man, Malick's great muse is the land. I truly believe that for him it's a manifestation of the divine, which he imbues in the visual context of all his films.
For me, Badlands (1973) is his best film. It has the strongest narrative. I also love Days of Heaven (1978), though I think its narrative is weaker. But there's enough clarity in both the internal and external conflicts to provide a relatively strong story progression, which maintains suspense. And of course, its visual beauty is simply stunning.
What I remember most about The Thin Red Line (1998), besides the distracting canon of star-laden cameo roles, was the way in which at every opportunity Malick found a way to include and explore the landscape so lovingly - most particularly the grasslands, which are his roots. In the film that undulating world often provides the only solace for the soldiers, whether they're fully aware of it or not. It's this deep, animal connection of human to earth that Malick's films portray so powerfully - an important but virtually alien concept in our American culture today.
With The New World (2005), he seemed to eschew narrative almost completely in favor of a beautiful but somewhat self-indulgent poetic visual odyssey. I say this as a person who reveres nature and landscape as much as Malick does, for our roots are the same. But I had trouble with the film from the beginning, because I was waiting, endlessly it seemed, for the story to begin, and I don't think I was ever able to fully engage. I felt very much the same way about The Tree of Life - a film filled incredible visual beauty but that had a narrative, which, in my opinion, would have worked much better as a half-hour film, not one that lasted 2 and 1/2 hours (I think his cut was over 3).
As he drew further and further away from a narrative filled with more clearly defined external and internal conflicts his films became less interesting to me, and less meaningful, despite their astonishing visual beauty.
But he's a true artist, as I said. I just regret that I can't engage in his vision as I did in the seventies. It's my hope that he'll find his way back to a stronger narrative before he gets too old to make films. His artistry is at times simply stunning. But I miss that genius being tied to an equally brilliant story.
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Post by twothousandonemark on May 17, 2018 20:46:04 GMT
The Thin Red Line my #12 all time
Badlands & Days of Heaven are very good, a nice unique lane of cinema.
I wanted a more macro scope for The New World, which was also too long.
Tree of Life was a bit of a turn off due to Brad Pitt, not a fan.
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Post by Terrapin Station on May 17, 2018 21:00:12 GMT
"Thoughts on Terrence Malick":
"Horrible filmmaker"
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Post by Lebowskidoo 🎄😷🎄 on May 17, 2018 22:10:13 GMT
I thought The Tree of Life was the best thing I'd ever seen from this filmmaker.
Days of Heaven was my first exposure to his films, and it is beautifully filmed, but Badlands is a better movie.
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Post by spiderwort on May 17, 2018 22:24:06 GMT
Days of Heaven was my first exposure to his films, and it is beautifully filmed, but Badlands is a better movie. As I said, I'm not a fan of THE TREE OF LIFE, but I'm with you on the other two. Just wanted to add for those who don't know that BADLANDS is based upon the true story of Charles Starkweather and his girlfriend, Caril Ann Fugate, who went on a killing spree in 1958. Starkweather was later executed; Fugate spent 17 years in prison. 
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Post by politicidal on May 17, 2018 22:40:38 GMT
I've only seen a few. I did like The New World (2005). But I couldn't stand either Song to Song (2017) or Knight of Cups (2015).
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Post by Terrapin Station on May 17, 2018 22:50:49 GMT
Just out of curiosity, Terrapin, did you see BADLANDS and DAYS OF HEAVEN? Though I can understand why some might feel about him as you do, somehow I think those two films indicate that, at least then, he was not a horrible filmmaker. BADLANDS   DAYS OF HEAVEN  I haven't seen Days of Heaven yet. I did see Badlands, but so long ago that I don't recall much about it. I'm basing my opinion mostly on the Thin Red Line, the New World, and the Tree of Life . . . all of which I hated. The Thin Red Line is one of the only films I've ever seen in a theater that I was tempted to walk out on (I didn't purely because of stinginess--"I paid to see this in the theater, so I'm sitting here and 'getting my money's worth'"). The New World I couldn't finish (on DVD). The Tree of Life I made myself finish, but I was so pissed off by the end of it that I wish I hadn't finished it.
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Post by OldAussie on May 17, 2018 23:17:45 GMT
I really like Badlands and Thin Red Line, Days of Heaven was good, Tree of Life and especially The New World were self-indulgent rubbish which sadly had real potential.
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Post by spiderwort on May 18, 2018 4:43:31 GMT
I really like Badlands and Thin Red Line, Days of Heaven was good, Tree of Life and especially The New World were self-indulgent rubbish which sadly had real potential. Thanks for posting the Plummer video, Aussie. I'd seen it before but forgotten. I think Plummer just about nails the problems with Malick after THE THIN RED LINE. That said, I still love BADLANDS and DAYS OF HEAVEN.
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Post by OldAussie on May 18, 2018 5:11:05 GMT
Visually, The Thin Red Line is THE highlight of my cinema experiences of the last few decades. And the middle half of the film was, narratively, Malick's best. I thought Nolte deserved an award. But it's the only Malick film I've seen in a cinema.
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Post by Power Ranger on May 18, 2018 13:18:42 GMT
I’ve only seen Badlands, Days of Heaven and The Thin Red Line. Great director, wonderful films!
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Post by koskiewicz on May 18, 2018 15:16:26 GMT
...IMHO, Malick films are not for all...but for the true cinema aficionado, his films are exceptionally fantastic...I wish he were more prolific...
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Post by kijii on May 18, 2018 17:11:11 GMT
Here is how I think about Malcik's movies: First of all, all of his movies are beautifully filmed from a scenic point of view: In Badlands (1973) Sissy Spacek, as "Holly," tells her story in a simple matter-of-fact way with little emotion. This movie was, in fact, based on a real killing spree. Holly Sargis (Sissy Spacek): One day, while taking a look at some vistas in Dad's stereopticon, it hit me that I was just this little girl, born in Texas, whose father was a sign painter, who only had just so many years to live. It sent a chill down my spine and I thought where would I be this very moment, if Kit had never met me? Or killed anybody... this very moment... if my mom had never met my dad... if she had never died. And what's the man I'll marry gonna look like? What's he doing right this minute? Is he thinking about me now, by some coincidence, even though he doesn't know me? Does it show on his face? For days afterwards I lived in dread. Sometimes I wished I could fall asleep and be taken off to some magical land, and this never happened.
In Days of Heaven (1978) Linda (Linda Manz) tells her story, in a simple way, from her point of view. The sun looks ghostly when there's a mist on a river and everything's quiet. I never knowed it before. And you could see people on the shore, but they was far off and you couldn't see what they were doing. They were probably... calling for help or something, or they were trying to bury somebody or something.

In The Thin Red Line (1998) there is an internal monologue going on within a soldier while things are going on around him.--life and death. It is had for me to realize that these words were written by James Jones, the same man who wrote, From Here to Eternity and Some Came Running. Private Witt (Jim Caviezel) : I remember my mother when she was dyin', looked all shrunk up and gray. I asked her if she was afraid. She just shook her head. I was afraid to touch the death I seen in her. I couldn't find nothin' beautiful or uplifting about her goin' back to God. I heard of people talk about immortality, but I ain't seen it...I wondered how it'd be like when I died, what it'd be like to know this breath now was the last one you was ever gonna draw. I just hope I can meet it the same way she did, with the same... calm. 'Cause that's where it's hidden - the immortality I hadn't seen.

Here is a review I once wrote for the IMDb: In The New World (2005), I think the conversations are secondary to the thoughts and experiences of two COMPLETELY different types of peoples: The "civililzed" strange people who came in big boats, with guns and cannons to build buildings, and the indigenous peoples who had never seen--or imagined---such cultures or beings. If you think of the movie, The Day the Earth Stood Still (1951), it would be like Michael Rennie trying to understand Patricia Neal (of Billy Gray) or vise versa. There is just wonder to know what to do next or how to behave, understand with these strange beings...why are they here? What do they want? etc. Words in this movie are something like thoughts--whole or stream-of-consciousness: Pocahontas (Q'orianka Kilcher): Mother, where do you live? In the sky? The clouds? The sea? Show me your face. Give me a sign. We rise... we rise. Afraid of myself. A god, he seems to me. What else is life but being near you? Do they suspect? Oh, to be given to you. You to me. I will be faithful to you. True. Two no more. One. One. I am... I am.It must have been a HUGE step for Pocahontas to take that big boat away from Virginia to London and be seen with these people from another world and have them look at her. It might have been something like Patricia Neal taking a spaceship to another galaxy might have been with Michael Rennie..not knowing when, or if, she would return to her own world. The Tree of Life (2011) takes an even further step outward from being, a man looking back at this life. Mr. O'Brien (Brad Pitt): I wanted to be loved because I was great; A big man. I'm nothing. Look at the glory around us; trees, birds. I lived in shame. I dishonored it all, and didn't notice the glory. I'm a foolish man.

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Post by petrolino on May 20, 2018 0:21:35 GMT
I love 'Badlands' and 'Days Of Heaven'. Still need to see a couple of of his new works. His legacy is so different since his return. I went to the cinema to see 'The Thin Red Line' and left feeling extremely disappointed. I really only care for his first two pictures but there are moments of great beauty in everything he touches.
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Post by Fox in the Snow on May 20, 2018 6:19:56 GMT
I like Malick a lot, The Thin Red Line hovers around my all time Top Ten. The lack of a strong narrative in his films is for me a positive if anything. There are plenty of films with traditional, strong narratives. It's a nice change when someone attempts something a little more enigamtic/poetic. Admittedly I did find To the Wonder a little lacking and I'm yet to see his two more recent efforts, but I've loved everything else.
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Post by vegalyra on May 22, 2018 19:49:01 GMT
The Thin Red Line was my first exposure to Malick. It's still my favorite. I saw it in a nearly empty theater which I believe enhanced the experience. I loved every minute of it.
I've now seen Badlands, Days of Heaven, and the New World. I saw the New World in the theater as well (again, to a nearly empty theater). Out of these titles, Days of Heaven is my favorite even though the New World should have left a better impression on me (I love history). I haven't seen any of the newer films.
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