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Post by Tristan's Journal on May 24, 2018 9:47:14 GMT
I do not see how: pacta servanda sunt, and who will dish out the forfeit money for exiting the deal? The Mouse always wins.
That being said, it's undisputable that Disney getting that part of Fox is problematic from a anti-trust, competition and artistic perspective.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on May 24, 2018 17:19:00 GMT
Fox on their own could create something similar, but they wouldn't last and would find themselves spending money they'll likely not get back. By selling to Disney they'd be part of a team that is guaranteed easy success as they can get some of that sweet profit and they don't have to worry about who or what gets this or that movie or TV series as they'll all be under one roof, permanently. Fox execs dont really care what happens to its entertainment wing after the sale, thats why theyre selling outright instead of merging or getting new ownership. Fox will focus on sports and news which they see as the future of their revenue streams. If a big cash settlement upfront entices them more than Disney stock which may or may not reach its potential, I wouldnt be surprised if they took it. And whilst Disney are releasing streaming service, it will still be at the very least Number 3 behind amazon and netflix for a few years since many original shows and popular boxsets are present on those 2 platforms. I dont really know anyone who has Netflix simply for films. Correction - They do really care what happens to their entertainment wing after the sale, Comcast made the bigger bid for Fox's film and television division back in winter and Fox still was more leaning towards Disney then. In light of recent news of Comcast trying to place an even higher bid for Fox Disney's own Bob Iger is still very confident the deal with Fox will move forward and close soon. Disney just has more to give to Fox in the long haul than Comcast does for the reasons stated before. You may not know anyone who has Netflix simply for films, but a lot of people do and they regularly go to it for any newer or older titles to watch whenever they feel like, and Netflix themselves as well as Amazon are in the business of not only producing original television programming but also original film content which has earned them plenty of success and which attract seriously big names like Will Smith, Ryan Reynolds, and Idris Elba. Time will tell how well Disney's streaming service does, but I wouldn't be surprised if it outranks one or the other in a couple years time, or sooner - again, they have libraries of libraries of much watched, beloved content with strong wide appeal.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on May 24, 2018 20:05:07 GMT
Go Comcast Go!!!1 Innit?
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Post by politicidal on May 25, 2018 1:08:56 GMT
So much money being thrown around...
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Post by summers8 on May 25, 2018 21:52:20 GMT
Bad news for MCU fans.
good news for xmen fans and real marvel fans who saw how problematic disney will become for marvel.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on May 25, 2018 23:14:42 GMT
Bad news for MCU fans. good news for xmen fans and real marvel fans who saw how problematic disney will become for marvel. If only you and others would realize this whole situation is far bigger than the movie rights for the X-Men...
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Post by Lord Death Man on May 25, 2018 23:27:56 GMT
Bad news for MCU fans. good news for xmen fans and real marvel fans who saw how problematic disney will become for marvel. If only you and others would realize this whole situation is far bigger than the movie rights for the X-Men... And anyone who refers to themselves, or others, as a 'real Marvel fan' typically has no idea what that entails or what they're talking about.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on May 26, 2018 11:16:05 GMT
If only you and others would realize this whole situation is far bigger than the movie rights for the X-Men... And anyone who refers to themselves, or others, as a 'real Marvel fan' typically has no idea what that entails or what they're talking about. It's someone who doesn't support D-listers!!!1
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Post by summers8 on May 26, 2018 12:54:51 GMT
Bad news for MCU fans. good news for xmen fans and real marvel fans who saw how problematic disney will become for marvel. If only you and others would realize this whole situation is far bigger than the movie rights for the X-Men... And I only care about x-men.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on May 26, 2018 13:02:11 GMT
If only you and others would realize this whole situation is far bigger than the movie rights for the X-Men... And I only care about x-men. Don't forget Spider-Man, Hulk, and Fantastic Four! All true A-listers worthy of better than the mediocre sausage factory known as the MCU. Innit?
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on May 26, 2018 15:41:24 GMT
If only you and others would realize this whole situation is far bigger than the movie rights for the X-Men... And I only care about x-men. You should care a great deal more than that, because if Fox were in better shape they wouldn't be in the position to selling off their film and television divisions to other companies. On their own they cannot hold strong legging in the marketplace in the long haul, and if they sell to Comcast they will only enjoy brief gain but overtime will lose steam and be in just as bad a shape. Selling to Disney would be the best possible course of action for reasons I've already stated in this thread.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on May 26, 2018 15:44:12 GMT
And I only care about x-men. You should care a great deal more than that, because if Fox were in better shape they wouldn't be in the position to selling off their film and television divisions to other companies. On their own they cannot hold strong legging in the marketplace in the long haul, and if they sell to Comcast they will only enjoy brief gain but overtime will lose steam and be in just as bad a shape. Selling to Disney would be the best possible course of action for reasons I've already stated in this thread. Nah, Comcast would be a better home for the X-Men; they wouldn't have to take a backseat to a bunch of D-listers who don't even belong in Saturday morning cartoons, much less movies.
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on May 26, 2018 18:50:56 GMT
I do not see how: pacta servanda sunt, and who will dish out the forfeit money for exiting the deal? The Mouse always wins. That being said, it's undisputable that Disney getting that part of Fox is problematic from a anti-trust, competition and artistic perspective. There's more to it. Regardless who buys it, Disney or Comcast, Rupert Murdock wins. He gets billions. Why isn't anyone concerned about that? He's friends with Donald Trump and will more likely donate a lot to his 2020 campaign. Why is that a problem? Trump inspired Neo Nazis to come out and March. If Disney or Comcast buys it than Nazi's get $52/60 billion. Do we really want that?
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Post by dazz on May 26, 2018 19:04:51 GMT
Even if Comcast gets Fox Disney may still get their properties back, all depends on the stipulations of the rights agreement, Fox may not have the right to sell the Marvel rights, which if it's the case even if Comcast were to buy Fox Disney/Marvel would be given back the rights to their properites, or not that's the thing all this shit is confusing because it's not set in stone different deals have different stipulations attached to them.
I mean even though Sony owns the Spider-Man rights Marvel & Disney can still dictate elements of how the use it, such as Peter Parker is Spider-Man, Peter Parker is White, Peter Parker is a hetrosexual and shit, and Fox had to negotiate a new deal to allow them to change Teenage Negasonic Warheads powers for Deadpool and shit.
So god knows but I'm guessing Disney likely has a way in which they come out smiling regardless of how things shake up going forward.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on May 26, 2018 21:16:43 GMT
Even if Comcast gets Fox Disney may still get their properties back, all depends on the stipulations of the rights agreement, Fox may not have the right to sell the Marvel rights, which if it's the case even if Comcast were to buy Fox Disney/Marvel would be given back the rights to their properites, or not that's the thing all this shit is confusing because it's not set in stone different deals have different stipulations attached to them. I mean even though Sony owns the Spider-Man rights Marvel & Disney can still dictate elements of how the use it, such as Peter Parker is Spider-Man, Peter Parker is White, Peter Parker is a hetrosexual and shit, and Fox had to negotiate a new deal to allow them to change Teenage Negasonic Warheads powers for Deadpool and shit. So god knows but I'm guessing Disney likely has a way in which they come out smiling regardless of how things shake up going forward.It's almost like the game is rigged in their favor, and anyone who supports them is a sheep and a mark. Almost.
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Post by President Ackbar™ on May 26, 2018 21:23:51 GMT
Even if Comcast gets Fox Disney may still get their properties back, all depends on the stipulations of the rights agreement, Fox may not have the right to sell the Marvel rights, which if it's the case even if Comcast were to buy Fox Disney/Marvel would be given back the rights to their properites, or not that's the thing all this shit is confusing because it's not set in stone different deals have different stipulations attached to them. I mean even though Sony owns the Spider-Man rights Marvel & Disney can still dictate elements of how the use it, such as Peter Parker is Spider-Man, Peter Parker is White, Peter Parker is a hetrosexual and shit, and Fox had to negotiate a new deal to allow them to change Teenage Negasonic Warheads powers for Deadpool and shit. So god knows but I'm guessing Disney likely has a way in which they come out smiling regardless of how things shake up going forward.It's almost like the game is rigged in their favor, and anyone who supports them is a sheep and a mark. Almost. Nah, it's exactly like that.
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Post by DC-Fan on May 26, 2018 21:58:54 GMT
even though Sony owns the Spider-Man rights Marvel & Disney can still dictate elements of how the use it, such as Peter Parker is Spider-Man, Peter Parker is White, Peter Parker is a hetrosexual and shit So you want racist and homophobic Disney to buy Fox?
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Post by dazz on May 26, 2018 22:01:19 GMT
Even if Comcast gets Fox Disney may still get their properties back, all depends on the stipulations of the rights agreement, Fox may not have the right to sell the Marvel rights, which if it's the case even if Comcast were to buy Fox Disney/Marvel would be given back the rights to their properites, or not that's the thing all this shit is confusing because it's not set in stone different deals have different stipulations attached to them. I mean even though Sony owns the Spider-Man rights Marvel & Disney can still dictate elements of how the use it, such as Peter Parker is Spider-Man, Peter Parker is White, Peter Parker is a hetrosexual and shit, and Fox had to negotiate a new deal to allow them to change Teenage Negasonic Warheads powers for Deadpool and shit. So god knows but I'm guessing Disney likely has a way in which they come out smiling regardless of how things shake up going forward.It's almost like the game is rigged in their favor, and anyone who supports them is a sheep and a mark. Almost. Nah it's just smart business, though I think F4 maybe except from that type of clause, as Fox I don't think brought the rights through Marvel, they got it via a 3rd party so the rights reversion thing may just go back to them and not Disney, but then if it does Disney may just have to wait it out as I think the F4 deal requires a new film every 7 years and for them to go into production from 5 years after the last, it's been 3 already since the not so Fan4 and this deal is going to run down another year as is, so Disney may aquire F4 regardless due to the legal bullshit, but X-Men may revert no matter what at this point.
And all of these deals aren't on Disney but Marvel they did all these like in the 90's way before the mouse entered the picture, just because Disney finds themselves in a lucrative position is just luck and good strategy on their part, I mean had Sony been like me and unable to resist a bargain they could have had all this for themselves and be just about to complete their own set, but they didn't feel like paying a few million more to get the entire MCU catalog when they brought Spidey, cant blame em but that's life sometimes you make all the wrong choices and succeed sometimes you make smart calls and you fail regardless, Disney just happens to be on a hot streak with the CBM's and all.
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Post by dazz on May 26, 2018 22:09:21 GMT
even though Sony owns the Spider-Man rights Marvel & Disney can still dictate elements of how the use it, such as Peter Parker is Spider-Man, Peter Parker is White, Peter Parker is a hetrosexual and shit So you want racist and homophobic Disney to buy Fox? They are not being homophobic or racist, they are however exercising their rights to box in Sony as much as they can, if Sony cant use Miles Morales or vary up the Spider-Man character much they cant do a whole lot to spice up their Spidey films, eventually getting to the point of it being less exciting and there by less profitable, they want the full Marvel set and so they weren't going to try and help Sony unless it helped them also, which is what happened with the current Sony/Marvel deal.
Now Disney could be both homophobes and racists I dunno but this isn't an example of it, also I don't want fox to be sold but it if has to then I want the strongest Studio to get it, I'm not a robot troll like you who has 2 settings anti this or pro that, I can like something even if it has faults and I can see the faults in something I like, you should try it sometime.
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on May 26, 2018 22:25:05 GMT
even though Sony owns the Spider-Man rights Marvel & Disney can still dictate elements of how the use it, such as Peter Parker is Spider-Man, Peter Parker is White, Peter Parker is a hetrosexual and shit So you want racist and homophobic Disney to buy Fox? I thought Disney was SJW?
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