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Post by FrankSobotka1514 on May 23, 2018 17:08:45 GMT
The NFL changed their rules regarding national anthem protests by the players. The players are now required to stand and “show respect” during the anthem if they are out on the field, but they are allowed to remain in the locker room until the anthem is over if they choose. Thoughts?
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on May 23, 2018 17:54:03 GMT
Funny, I never thought kneeling was "disrespectful". If the players turned their backs or grabbed their crotches...
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Post by nutsberryfarm 🏜 on May 23, 2018 17:57:14 GMT
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Post by tristramshandy on May 23, 2018 18:00:16 GMT
Funny, I never thought kneeling was "disrespectful". If the players turned their backs or grabbed their crotches... Or eating a hot dog or tweeting or taking selfies or drinking a beer . . . you know, the stuff that half the fans do while the National Anthem is being played. |
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Post by klawrencio79 on May 23, 2018 18:24:09 GMT
Funny, I never thought kneeling was "disrespectful". If the players turned their backs or grabbed their crotches... Because it isn't disrespectful. Quite the opposite, it's actually quite respectful because it means you recognize what that symbol really represents. |
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Post by bluerisk on May 23, 2018 18:48:03 GMT
Final victory for Trump.
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Post by NJtoTX on May 23, 2018 19:11:00 GMT
And Kushner just got permanent security clearance. But Trump can't block his Tweety bird account. |
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Post by _ on May 23, 2018 19:18:05 GMT
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Post by DSDSquared on May 23, 2018 19:24:02 GMT
People forget that this is a business and not just a normal business, but one that is represented in front of millions of people. The NFL has every right to enforce this and it is fine. I work for the government. I am not allowed to protest or make any political statements at work. I cannot even bring up my job when doing this outside of work, but am free to protest and be active politically with any issues I want outside of work. The NFL is much the same. What is the big deal?
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Post by klawrencio79 on May 23, 2018 19:35:19 GMT
People forget that this is a business and not just a normal business, but one that is represented in front of millions of people. The NFL has every right to enforce this and it is fine. I work for the government. I am not allowed to protest or make any political statements at work. I cannot even bring up my job when doing this outside of work, but am free to protest and be active politically with any issues I want outside of work. The NFL is much the same. What is the big deal? I totally agree....but people who are praising this for this reason weren't singing the same tune when the NFL wasn't doing anything about it last year, even though it's a business that is essentially free to do as it pleases. They were demanding action, that the NFL do something about it. Just as the NFL has every right to enforce this, it also has every right to do nothing. Just pointing that out in a devil's advocate sort of way. Nonetheless, I agree with you. The fact that is represented in front of millions of people isn't terribly relevant, other than the fact the NFL will invariably face public pressure no matter what it does (whether it chose to do something or didn't, people would have been up in arms). You work for the government, not a private company like the NFL. |
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Post by DSDSquared on May 23, 2018 19:50:24 GMT
People forget that this is a business and not just a normal business, but one that is represented in front of millions of people. The NFL has every right to enforce this and it is fine. I work for the government. I am not allowed to protest or make any political statements at work. I cannot even bring up my job when doing this outside of work, but am free to protest and be active politically with any issues I want outside of work. The NFL is much the same. What is the big deal? I totally agree....but people who are praising this for reason weren't singing the same tune when the NFL wasn't doing anything about it last year, even though it's a business that is essentially free to do as it pleases. They were demanding action, that the NFL do something about it. Just as the NFL has every right to enforce this, it also has every right to do nothing. Just pointing that out in a devil's advocate sort of way. Nonetheless, I agree with you. The fact that is represented in front of millions of people isn't terribly relevant, other than the fact the NFL will invariably face public pressure no matter what it does (whether it chose to do something or didn't, people would have been up in arms). You work for the government, not a private company like the NFL. I agree. It is tough for a business this large. Whatever the players do reflects the NFL and their views. That is why it is important to keep politics separate. |
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Post by FrankSobotka1514 on May 23, 2018 20:26:56 GMT
I totally agree....but people who are praising this for reason weren't singing the same tune when the NFL wasn't doing anything about it last year, even though it's a business that is essentially free to do as it pleases. They were demanding action, that the NFL do something about it. Just as the NFL has every right to enforce this, it also has every right to do nothing. Just pointing that out in a devil's advocate sort of way. Nonetheless, I agree with you. The fact that is represented in front of millions of people isn't terribly relevant, other than the fact the NFL will invariably face public pressure no matter what it does (whether it chose to do something or didn't, people would have been up in arms). You work for the government, not a private company like the NFL. I agree. It is tough for a business this large. Whatever the players do reflects the NFL and their views. That is why it is important to keep politics separate. If it’s inportant to keep politics separate than there shouldn’t be the overwhelming military presence. No shots of our soldiers watching from whatever bases, no flyovers, no camouflage uniforms, no honor guards.... |
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on May 23, 2018 20:46:37 GMT
People forget that this is a business and not just a normal business, but one that is represented in front of millions of people. The NFL has every right to enforce this and it is fine. I work for the government. I am not allowed to protest or make any political statements at work. I cannot even bring up my job when doing this outside of work, but am free to protest and be active politically with any issues I want outside of work. The NFL is much the same. What is the big deal? Did you sign an agreement/contract/employee guideline that specifically forbids you from political activity on the job? More than likely. All NFL players under contract yesterday singed an agreement saying players "should" stand for the anthem. Enjoy the NFL for the next two seasons, kiddies. It might be gone when the CBA expired after 2020. The Union is already screaming about owners dictatorially imposing punishments on players. This won't help. |
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Post by knowlto on May 23, 2018 20:48:54 GMT
I probably won't watch the NFL until this policy is lifted. I'm also still pissed about Kaepernick and Eric Reid being blackballed.
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Post by Xeliou66 on May 23, 2018 20:52:12 GMT
Banning kneeling is downright fascist, forcing people to worship symbols of authority is a huge sign of fascism. And this helps nothing, the people who are offended by the anthem protests will be just as offended by players staying in the locker room, and those who are pissed about the blackballing of Kap and other kneelers will be even more pissed. This helps no one, it’s just done to appease Donny Dotard and his fascist friends.
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Post by NJtoTX on May 23, 2018 21:19:18 GMT
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Post by No_Socks_Here on May 24, 2018 10:28:48 GMT
The main driving force for the NFL is money. There's the notion that their drop in fans and revenue is in some way the result of America's outrage over these anthem antics. You'll never convince me that this isn't a huge mitigating factor in the implementing of these new rules.
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Post by DSDSquared on May 24, 2018 11:29:13 GMT
I agree. It is tough for a business this large. Whatever the players do reflects the NFL and their views. That is why it is important to keep politics separate. If it’s inportant to keep politics separate than there shouldn’t be the overwhelming military presence. No shots of our soldiers watching from whatever bases, no flyovers, no camouflage uniforms, no honor guards.... That is ridiculous. Showing pride in your military and your country should have nothing to do with what politics you support. That is the problem with this thing. People hate Trump, so they feel the need to disrespect the military and the flag. |
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Post by DSDSquared on May 24, 2018 11:31:00 GMT
Banning kneeling is downright fascist, forcing people to worship symbols of authority is a huge sign of fascism. And this helps nothing, the people who are offended by the anthem protests will be just as offended by players staying in the locker room, and those who are pissed about the blackballing of Kap and other kneelers will be even more pissed. This helps no one, it’s just done to appease Donny Dotard and his fascist friends. Fascist? Get real. This is a business. They can force their employees to follow whatever code of conduct they wish. I agree that it will barely solve anything, since players can still protest by not coming out, but people are hilarious with this fascism stuff. Try moving to an actual fascist country and get back to me. I have been all over the world and I find it comical when Americans make claims like this, not knowing how free they actually are. |
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Post by knowlto on May 24, 2018 12:11:21 GMT
If it’s inportant to keep politics separate than there shouldn’t be the overwhelming military presence. No shots of our soldiers watching from whatever bases, no flyovers, no camouflage uniforms, no honor guards.... That is ridiculous. Showing pride in your military and your country should have nothing to do with what politics you support. That is the problem with this thing. People hate Trump, so they feel the need to disrespect the military and the flag. I didn't respect the military or the flag long before Trump got into politics. |
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