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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2018 11:51:05 GMT
I think they might just be screwed if they had to drop someone over a serious scandal. I don't think the remaining soaps have that kind of filming schedule. I can't say absolute for sure, but I want to say it's unique to Days; and I think a significant part of it is because Days is the only soap, if I'm not mistaken, that isn't owned by the network that airs it. So NBC has little stake in the existence of the series, as it pays a licensing fee to air it - which covers production costs - and the only revenue it gets out of it are the commercials it airs during the show. They get nothing for any syndication deals, which would mainly be the foreign markets. But like the defunct Soap Network used to air reruns - either same day or one day delay, I don't remember - but NBC wouldn't have gotten anything from that. I don't think they get anything from product placements in the show either. I don't know what other revenue streams there might be, but NBC does have any of that, the way other networks do with their soaps; so while they're not exactly stingy, there have been a lot of deep cuts in recent years. Like to the bone. Actors have said they don't really get much in the way of rehearsal anymore, and generally don't get second takes. And most fans that I've discussed the show with online agree that it's affected the quality of the show for the worse. Then add questionable writing on top of it; which I don't understand, because like you said, these shows air five hour long episodes a week. Even with a modest budget, there's a lot you can do in that time that other shows don't have the luxury of doing. As a would be writer I would love to play in a sandbox as expansive as that. They've got cops and doctors and international monsters and spies, and they piss it all away focusing all of the time on their current romantic dilemmas. So there haven't been any bombshell scandals with any of the actors, at least to my knowledge in recent history. It does get frustrating when you hear someone's leaving and then have to sit through months of their remaining story that you know won't be important, because they're leaving eventually. There was one time, before they got so far ahead, that they had to recast a part and the recast was fired and the role recast again before the other girl's content aired; and when it did air it was clear why she was fired, because she was awful. But it was still like two or three weeks before the re-recast came on. Thank God they weren't 6 months ahead then... Yeah. I think you are right. I don’t think they would keep airing the episodes of a TV show if they had a serious scandal and one of the actors was up for child sex offences or terrorism for example ‘cause it would be unfair to the victims and their families and they might have to take a week off and come up with new episodes to replace them. When it comes to soap shows there is no shortage of repeats they could air between then with the amount of episodes TV shows like ‘Days of Our Lives’ and ‘The Bold and the Beautiful’ and I am actually surprised they don’t show repeats or release them on DVD ‘cause there are people like my Aunt that would like to re-watch the older seasons of ‘The Bold and the Beautiful’ but I think it is ‘cause of how many years the shows have been going for.
It would be kinda like trying to release every episode of WWE Raw and Smackdown on DVD and they have released some of those episodes in DVD box sets and there was an anniversary set of Raw I got a few years back that had all the best episodes from different years but WWE have yet to release the shows in full like other weekly TV shows have. I didn’t know ‘Days of Our Lives’ wasn’t owned by the network it airs on in America and I was under the impression ‘Days of Our Lives’, ‘The Young and the Restless’ and ‘The Bold and the Beautiful’ were owned by the same people ‘cause there have been a number of actors that have appeared on the three shows like Joseph Mascolo who played Stefano in ‘Days of Our Lives’ and Massimo in ‘The Bold and the Beautiful’ and if I remember correctly ‘The Bold and the Beautiful’ and ‘The Young and the Restless’ crossed over with each other.
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Post by stargazer1682 on Jul 11, 2018 14:51:24 GMT
Yeah. I think you are right. I don’t think they would keep airing the episodes of a TV show if they had a serious scandal and one of the actors was up for child sex offences or terrorism for example ‘cause it would be unfair to the victims and their families and they might have to take a week off and come up with new episodes to replace them. When it comes to soap shows there is no shortage of repeats they could air between then with the amount of episodes TV shows like ‘Days of Our Lives’ and ‘The Bold and the Beautiful’ and I am actually surprised they don’t show repeats or release them on DVD ‘cause there are people like my Aunt that would like to re-watch the older seasons of ‘The Bold and the Beautiful’ but I think it is ‘cause of how many years the shows have been going for.
It would be kinda like trying to release every episode of WWE Raw and Smackdown on DVD and they have released some of those episodes in DVD box sets and there was an anniversary set of Raw I got a few years back that had all the best episodes from different years but WWE have yet to release the shows in full like other weekly TV shows have. I didn’t know ‘Days of Our Lives’ wasn’t owned by the network it airs on in America and I was under the impression ‘Days of Our Lives’, ‘The Young and the Restless’ and ‘The Bold and the Beautiful’ were owned by the same people ‘cause there have been a number of actors that have appeared on the three shows like Joseph Mascolo who played Stefano in ‘Days of Our Lives’ and Massimo in ‘The Bold and the Beautiful’ and if I remember correctly ‘The Bold and the Beautiful’ and ‘The Young and the Restless’ crossed over with each other.
Yeah, the Corday family started Days and maintain ownership (passed down to the creator's son, Ken, who's been involved with the show since the 80s). Corday does have co-creator/partial ownership of one other soap, I forget which, but I think mainly it's a case of some actors being labeled or taking on the distinction of "soap actor" and bounce from one soap to the other. It's kind of sad, because it's often used derogatively, with the idea that soap actors are a lower class of actors with little talent. And it's an easy criticism to make, because the standard of quality for soaps isn't maintained very high, and many actors don't put as much effort into their performance. But you do see them in something else and what they're capable of; or some who are just so good they couldn't be bad if they tried. Joe Mascolo was always great, and it was a shame to see him pass, but he was pretty up there in age. There's so much that could be done, but for whatever reason isn't; every time Days announces a new head writer there's hope the show will turn around, yet somehow always turns out to be more of the same.
Days on DVD has always been something of a curiosity when discussed on the Days IMDB board. There's definitely interest, but it's never addressed by those in charge, as far I'm aware. It would be difficult, but not necessarily impossible from a content stand point; if they did "best of" compilations for specific couples, showing highlights for their relationship and stories. Or even do specific story arcs, cutting out other, unrelated stories. My best guess is that there could be some rights and royalty issues. The actors and writers and anyone else entitled to residuals may not have any written agreement to allow the release of older episodes after the initial broadcast; or the cost to do so would be prohibitive. And while Ken Corday owns the series, there is some type of partnership with Sony studios, who would want their cut, but there have probably been other studios involved with the show over the past 50+ years; some may still be around, others wouldn't, but depending on who did what and when, they'll want to get their pound of flesh too. I know the lack of such agreement was what held up the release of the Adam West Batman series on DVD for as long as it did.
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Post by General Kenobi on Jul 12, 2018 11:18:24 GMT
I feel like I missed something, seeing as this thread has shifted towards soap operas. And yet I am strangely fascinated by it.
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Post by stargazer1682 on Jul 12, 2018 12:44:07 GMT
I feel like I missed something, seeing as this thread has shifted towards soap operas. And yet I am strangely fascinated by it. Yeah, soaps have that effect on people; it's like a car wreck, you know you should look away, but you can't help but look.
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Post by General Kenobi on Jul 17, 2018 14:22:31 GMT
The only soap I have followed has been Dark Shadows but that's because it's crammed with gothy goodness.
I really want to see a telenovela because I am curious as how Mexico does soaps.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2018 12:11:32 GMT
Yeah. I think you are right. I don’t think they would keep airing the episodes of a TV show if they had a serious scandal and one of the actors was up for child sex offences or terrorism for example ‘cause it would be unfair to the victims and their families and they might have to take a week off and come up with new episodes to replace them. When it comes to soap shows there is no shortage of repeats they could air between then with the amount of episodes TV shows like ‘Days of Our Lives’ and ‘The Bold and the Beautiful’ and I am actually surprised they don’t show repeats or release them on DVD ‘cause there are people like my Aunt that would like to re-watch the older seasons of ‘The Bold and the Beautiful’ but I think it is ‘cause of how many years the shows have been going for.
It would be kinda like trying to release every episode of WWE Raw and Smackdown on DVD and they have released some of those episodes in DVD box sets and there was an anniversary set of Raw I got a few years back that had all the best episodes from different years but WWE have yet to release the shows in full like other weekly TV shows have. I didn’t know ‘Days of Our Lives’ wasn’t owned by the network it airs on in America and I was under the impression ‘Days of Our Lives’, ‘The Young and the Restless’ and ‘The Bold and the Beautiful’ were owned by the same people ‘cause there have been a number of actors that have appeared on the three shows like Joseph Mascolo who played Stefano in ‘Days of Our Lives’ and Massimo in ‘The Bold and the Beautiful’ and if I remember correctly ‘The Bold and the Beautiful’ and ‘The Young and the Restless’ crossed over with each other.
Yeah, the Corday family started Days and maintain ownership (passed down to the creator's son, Ken, who's been involved with the show since the 80s). Corday does have co-creator/partial ownership of one other soap, I forget which, but I think mainly it's a case of some actors being labeled or taking on the distinction of "soap actor" and bounce from one soap to the other. It's kind of sad, because it's often used derogatively, with the idea that soap actors are a lower class of actors with little talent. And it's an easy criticism to make, because the standard of quality for soaps isn't maintained very high, and many actors don't put as much effort into their performance. But you do see them in something else and what they're capable of; or some who are just so good they couldn't be bad if they tried. Joe Mascolo was always great, and it was a shame to see him pass, but he was pretty up there in age. There's so much that could be done, but for whatever reason isn't; every time Days announces a new head writer there's hope the show will turn around, yet somehow always turns out to be more of the same.
Days on DVD has always been something of a curiosity when discussed on the Days IMDB board. There's definitely interest, but it's never addressed by those in charge, as far I'm aware. It would be difficult, but not necessarily impossible from a content stand point; if they did "best of" compilations for specific couples, showing highlights for their relationship and stories. Or even do specific story arcs, cutting out other, unrelated stories. My best guess is that there could be some rights and royalty issues. The actors and writers and anyone else entitled to residuals may not have any written agreement to allow the release of older episodes after the initial broadcast; or the cost to do so would be prohibitive. And while Ken Corday owns the series, there is some type of partnership with Sony studios, who would want their cut, but there have probably been other studios involved with the show over the past 50+ years; some may still be around, others wouldn't, but depending on who did what and when, they'll want to get their pound of flesh too. I know the lack of such agreement was what held up the release of the Adam West Batman series on DVD for as long as it did.
I assumed the ownership of ‘Days of Our Lives’ had to be passed on to somebody else at some point ‘cause it has been going for over 50 years and I doubt even the Cordy family would have expected it to last half as long as it has and it is surprising how long some soap shows last in comparison to other TV shows that are on once a week and I don’t know what the ratings are for ‘Days of Our Lives’, ‘The Bold and the Beautiful’ and ‘The Young and the Restless’ at the moment but I have always assumed they would be significantly lower than TV shows on at night and the channels wouldn’t care as much about the ratings for soap shows as they would for them ‘cause in the 50 + years of ‘Days’ it most likely had a lot of ups and downs with the ratings and some decades would have been better than others.
We have 'Home and Away' and 'Neighbours' as I have mentioned on here before and they have been going for a long time but the ratings for them in Australia have been terrible some weeks and it has been said the only reason 'Neighbours' keeps getting renewed apart from the ratings being better in the UK a lot of famous actors have started out in the show. I agree with you about actors who work in soap shows being looked down on and very few soap actors have been able to have success outside of soaps. Jensen Ackles and Jennifer Finnigan are two examples I can think of and Jennifer Finnigan was Bridget in 'The Bold and the Beautiful' and she went on to appear in 'Crossing Jordan and 'The Dead Zone' and then got the leading role in 'Close to Home' and you probably already know all about Jensen Ackles but I think his roles in 'Dark Angel' and 'Smallville' helped him get the role of Dean in 'Supernatural.'
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Post by stargazer1682 on Jul 26, 2018 14:47:53 GMT
The... Line of succession(?) for Days is sort of interesting, and a little tragic. I read Ken Corday's memoir a couple of years ago and he talked about how his dad, Ted, was a show runner for a soap in New York, working with this female producer and show creator who was a powerhouse in the industry (Irna Phillips). She made the suggestion to Ted to create a new soap that would be different from the others at the time, which featured people of wealth in big cities; instead featuring a middle class family in a small Midwest town, which would become Days. Ted did so and moving his family to California to develop the show there. Because of Irna's past experience with her claims to her intellectual property, where she lost the rights to the first series she created, she advised Ted to maintain all rights to this new show, much as she did for all subsequents shows she would go on to create.
Shortly before the show would air, not long into production of Days of Our Lives, Ted Corday died of cancer, and his wife would take over running the series, getting it off the ground. She ran it for the first 15-20 years before bringing her son Ken in to help with production, until her death in the 80s; and Ken's been in charge ever since.
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Post by General Kenobi on Jul 26, 2018 22:01:34 GMT
Holy heck. The behind the scenes of soaps sounds like something out of a soap.
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Post by BexxyJ on Jul 27, 2018 14:43:58 GMT
Did I miss something here? Why is everybody talking about soaps and not the kind we use on our bodies in the shower or bath?
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Post by stargazer1682 on Jul 27, 2018 20:25:19 GMT
Did I miss something here? Why is everybody talking about soaps and not the kind we use on our bodies in the shower or bath? What would you prefer we talk about in a thread about The Flash's season 5 villain?
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Post by General Kenobi on Jul 28, 2018 14:15:28 GMT
Oh! We can discuss the bicentennial of Frankenstein!
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Post by BexxyJ on Jul 30, 2018 14:45:36 GMT
Did I miss something here? Why is everybody talking about soaps and not the kind we use on our bodies in the shower or bath? What would you prefer we talk about in a thread about The Flash's season 5 villain?
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Post by General Kenobi on Jul 30, 2018 22:10:28 GMT
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Post by stargazer1682 on Jul 31, 2018 0:00:48 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2018 11:44:11 GMT
The... Line of succession(?) for Days is sort of interesting, and a little tragic. I read Ken Corday's memoir a couple of years ago and he talked about how his dad, Ted, was a show runner for a soap in New York, working with this female producer and show creator who was a powerhouse in the industry (Irna Phillips). She made the suggestion to Ted to create a new soap that would be different from the others at the time, which featured people of wealth in big cities; instead featuring a middle class family in a small Midwest town, which would become Days. Ted did so and moving his family to California to develop the show there. Because of Irna's past experience with her claims to her intellectual property, where she lost the rights to the first series she created, she advised Ted to maintain all rights to this new show, much as she did for all subsequents shows she would go on to create. Shortly before the show would air, not long into production of Days of Our Lives, Ted Corday died of cancer, and his wife would take over running the series, getting it off the ground. She ran it for the first 15-20 years before bringing her son Ken in to help with production, until her death in the 80s; and Ken's been in charge ever since. Thanks for letting me know about that Stargazer67. I didn’t know the story of the lives of the people who created ‘Days of Our Lives’ but that does sound very sad and tragic and if Ted Corday had lived I doubt he would have expected ‘Days of Our Lives’ to last as many decades as it has now ‘cause what writer would expect their creation to still be going more than 50 years later? I mean a lot of the stars that were in these shows when they first started have passed on now but the soaps are still going on with new actors and characters and I often wonder if the writers plan on making them last forever or they have an end plan in sight ‘cause if viewers keep tuning in for every episode they could probably keep going for another few decades but do they want to keep them going forever?
Looking at how long these shows have been going now I suppose they would have had a few endings lined up just in case they got cancelled and had to finish the show and those endings have changed a number of times too but with most stories you have a start and an ending and I am curious if there is an ending for them and if they would wrap things up neatly or leave it continued.
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Post by stargazer1682 on Aug 13, 2018 13:18:46 GMT
It's hard to say what the concept of the shows and their longevity was. The soap genre started on radio, with many shows transitioning to tv; and by the mid to late 60s, some of these shows were already around for 10, 15, 20 years, including their time in radio. And given their fluid nature with their narrative and what has been a continually changing cast of characters, I wouldn't be surprised if they never really gave any thoughts to what it would look like in the end or who would even be on canvas.
I mean, television was still a fairly new medium in the 50s and 60s, there was no history or standard.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2018 13:43:19 GMT
It's hard to say what the concept of the shows and their longevity was. The soap genre started on radio, with many shows transitioning to tv; and by the mid to late 60s, some of these shows were already around for 10, 15, 20 years, including their time in radio. And given their fluid nature with their narrative and what has been a continually changing cast of characters, I wouldn't be surprised if they never really gave any thoughts to what it would look like in the end or who would even be on canvas. I mean, television was still a fairly new medium in the 50s and 60s, there was no history or standard. I heard some soap shows started out on radio but I wasn't sure what ones. There were also a number of superheroes that had their own radio shows long before they appeared on TV and I have never listened to a radio show before. I might be getting old but I am not that old and TV was around before I was born. I grew up watching a lot of old shows from the 50s, 60s and 70s with my Aunt and Uncle and Grandfather and my Aunt is a big fan of some soap shows like 'Days of Our Lives' and 'The Bold and the Beautiful' and I watched a number of episodes of 'The Bold and the Beautiful' with her and can even briefly recall parts of the first episode but the last time I saw a full episode of 'The Bold and the Beautiful' was quite a while ago. I know from my Aunt a lot of the characters are different now and they no longer have Ron Moss playing Ridge but they still have Katherine Kelly Lang playing Brooke. I hated the way they got rid of Taylor and Macy and I was surprised they didn't keep Shelia around 'cause she was entertaining. I have listened to talk shows on the radio and we have a lot of those still around now especially on A.M. but I am not sure what they were like and if they were new stories or they were just reading things out from the comic books.
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Post by stargazer1682 on Aug 25, 2018 15:29:17 GMT
I'm fairly certain the radio adaptations, like TV and movies afterwards, were originally scripts specifically for the radio. If I recall correctly, the first Superman radio program lead to the invention of Kryptonite, as a way of giving the voice actor who portrayed Superman time for vacation; by having him basically locked in a closet or something with Kryptonite on the other side of the door. Up to that point Superman never had any weaknesses, so they invented one to give the guy time off and just have some other actor voice moans from "behind the door"; then it was eventually incorporated into the comics.
I've always marveled at how popular radio dramas are, or at least appear to be in the UK. As a fan of Doctor Who, I'm constantly hearing about the radio dramas being made with past Doctors and their companions that are generally considered canon, especially since the original actors usually come in and lend their voice to the characters. And those are completely original stories that are effectively continuations or "untold" stories that happened between air television episodes. I've never listened to them though. Even though I spend most of the time just listening to what's on TV as I do something else, there's something about it that doesn't feel like it'd be engaging enough for me. But then I don't care to listen to the radio in general, whether in my car or anywhere else.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2018 11:42:40 GMT
I'm fairly certain the radio adaptations, like TV and movies afterwards, were originally scripts specifically for the radio. If I recall correctly, the first Superman radio program lead to the invention of Kryptonite, as a way of giving the voice actor who portrayed Superman time for vacation; by having him basically locked in a closet or something with Kryptonite on the other side of the door. Up to that point Superman never had any weaknesses, so they invented one to give the guy time off and just have some other actor voice moans from "behind the door"; then it was eventually incorporated into the comics. I've always marveled at how popular radio dramas are, or at least appear to be in the UK. As a fan of Doctor Who, I'm constantly hearing about the radio dramas being made with past Doctors and their companions that are generally considered canon, especially since the original actors usually come in and lend their voice to the characters. And those are completely original stories that are effectively continuations or "untold" stories that happened between air television episodes. I've never listened to them though. Even though I spend most of the time just listening to what's on TV as I do something else, there's something about it that doesn't feel like it'd be engaging enough for me. But then I don't care to listen to the radio in general, whether in my car or anywhere else. Okay. That makes sense. Yeah. I think I remember somebody telling me on here not long ago Jimmy Olsen’s name originated in the Superman radio adaptions and he was in the comic books before that but he was nameless and they had to come up with a name for him and they chose Jimmy Olsen and I heard there have been a number of characters that originated in movies, TV shows and radio shows and were added into the comic books after that along with various changes to characters and Firefly (Bridget from ‘Gotham’) is the latest character who originated in a TV show who is now being added to DC Rebirth due to her popularity with fans and I’m not sure if this version of Bridget is going to be older since ‘Gotham’ was based before Bruce became Batman and a lot of the villains in the TV show are younger but one difference is they are acknowledging she isn’t the first Firefly and is a new Firefly.
I had no idea Kryptonite was invented by the ‘Superman’ radio shows and I always thought Krptonite was created by Jerry Siegel but that’s something that has gone on to become a big part of the stories and I wonder if they get paid every time DC use Krptonite and their name gets mentioned ‘cause you always see Paul Dini’s name with Harley Quinn and she is a character that originated in ‘Batman: The Animated Series’ and I think he gets paid when somebody use Harley too. I remember Superman did not have any weaknesses at one point but I always thought there were some supervillains that could hurt and kill him in his early years ‘cause there have been quite a few villains in the comics that have not needed Kryptonite to hurt Superman ‘cause they are very powerful themselves and Supergirl has villains like that too and in a number of the ‘Supergirl’ comic books in the 00s she was immune to Kryptonite.
Supergirl was also immune to Poison Ivy and she could not control Kara like she could Superman and they said that was ‘cause she had feelings for Kara and couldn’t use her powers on anybody that she had feelings for and that was before they had Poison Ivy with Harley. Did you know Barbara Gordon/ Batgirl was originally created her the Adam West TV show? The network wanted DC to come up with a female superhero to add to the show for female viewers and they made Barbara Gordon and Bette Kane was the first ‘Bat-Girl’ but she didn’t become popular with fans until years later when they did a makeover on her and had her take on the name of Flamebird. It was a shame Yvonne Craig passed away before they made those animated movies with Adam West before he died ‘cause they said they wanted to have Batgirl in them but out of respect to Yvonne decided not to replace her with a different actress.
I am not that familiar with radio shows as I said before but I do know they were very popular before and I heard they were especially popular in the UK. Talk Shows are still popular on radio here and I’m surprised how many listeners they still get for some of them and they beat radio stations that play mainstream music on FM.
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Post by stargazer1682 on Sept 14, 2018 12:10:28 GMT
They probably do not get paid or recognized; actors and writers got the shaft when it came to any kind of perpetuity for their work. I'm sure there were others, but I want to say Leonard Nemoy (Spock) was among those at the forefront, fighting for a better deal on those types of things; because back then royalties ended after something like, three airings of an episode. And forget radio; I can't say with certainty, but I doubt radio dramas even got repeats.
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