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Post by DC-Fan on Jun 1, 2018 3:29:26 GMT
That's what an adaptation is. And sometimes characters get improved like Hugh Jackmans wolverine. As long as character motivations and personality is right, the rest of their aesthetics are trivial and only hardcore fanatics would be upset. This includes height, skin colour, gender or weight unless its absolutely specific to the characters origin like say for Blob. MCU Spiderman is not comic accurate because his motivations are wrong. Thor isnt a comedian hence his personality in the MCU is wrong. Every main X character theyve done has had more or less accurate motivations and personality that they had in the source material, including Wolverine. Just because he isn't 5ft tall and wears yellow spandex doesnt make any less of James Howlett. Add to that Xavier, Magneto, Cyclops in X1/X2, Jean Grey, Nightcrawler, Beast. All are comic accurate in their mannerisms, theyre personality and philosophy on life and the mutant/human conflict. Unfortunately theyve not shown much of Storms character so cant comment. They have messed up Jennifer Lawrences Mistique though. No way should she be leading the Xmen and being some sort of mentor to the trainees. The MCU's Spider-Man is not comic accurate because his motivations are wrong? How? He got his powers after he got bit by a radioactive spider, he lost his uncle which taught him that with great power comes great responsibility There's no evidence at all in SMH that Uncle Ben was murdered by a thief. The only "mention" of Uncle Ben is when Peter tells Ned that Aunt May has had a rough time lately. But that doesn't mean Uncle Ben was murdered. That could mean that Ben Parker cheated on May and they got divorced and May had a rough time getting through the divorce. And there's no indication at all that Peter learned that "with great power comes great responsibility". On the contrary, SMH makes it a point to show that Peter wants to be a hero not because he feels a great responsibility but because he wants to show off and impress Tony Stark.
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Post by DC-Fan on Jun 1, 2018 3:30:13 GMT
Are you kidding? The only thing they did right with Cyclops was how he looked, but beyond that he was fairly forgettable and uninteresting as a character. Nowhere the complex, complicated, wholly bad ass leader like was in the book. He was reduced to being a teacher's pet who served as the foil for Wolverine and Jean's romance. Speaking of which, Jean was reduced to being Wolverine's love interest, and little else. Any time they tried to get her past that it just became overshadowed by it. Rogue was transformed from a bad ass mutant with a tough as nails attitude who could fly and take out a whole army to a shy, timid teenage girl - Even Anna Paquin agrees that the character she played in no way lived up to how awesome she is in the book. Iceman is supposed to be a fun loving joker who loves his powers and is not afraid to show them in public, in the movies he's just a love interest for Rogue and Kitty and doesn't really display much emotion other than looking concerned and angry. Colossus didn't even register as a character till Deadpool came around. The MCU's Spider-Man is not comic accurate because his motivations are wrong? How? He got his powers after he got bit by a radioactive spider, he lost his uncle which taught him that with great power comes great responsibility, and he is very dedicated to his part of NYC and wants to help the little guy as much as possible - which is why he rejected Stark's offer to join The Avengers then and there after dealing with the Vulture. Sorry to burst your bubble even further but Thor's not always stone serious in the comics, he's been the start of many jokes throughout the years in his own series, in crossovers, and in the Avengers both old and new. charzhino --- owned and operated by JudgeJuryDredd --- Hee hee hee... You got it backwards. charzhino owns the MCU fans here.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Jun 1, 2018 4:28:20 GMT
The MCU's Spider-Man is not comic accurate because his motivations are wrong? How? He got his powers after he got bit by a radioactive spider, he lost his uncle which taught him that with great power comes great responsibility There's no evidence at all in SMH that Uncle Ben was murdered by a thief. The only "mention" of Uncle Ben is when Peter tells Ned that Aunt May has had a rough time lately. But that doesn't mean Uncle Ben was murdered. That could mean that Ben Parker cheated on May and they got divorced and May had a rough time getting through the divorce. And there's no indication at all that Peter learned that "with great power comes great responsibility". On the contrary, SMH makes it a point to show that Peter wants to be a hero not because he feels a great responsibility but because he wants to show off and impress Tony Stark. Ben Parker is dead in the MCU, Spider-Man and his origin is so well known by the general public it isn't necessary to show Uncle Ben and his murder to establish that he is no longer in Peter and May's lives and that his passing has really affected them. So why did Peter reject Stark's offer to join The Avengers at the end of Homecoming to help protect his part of NYC then? If impressing Stark was his only motivation then he would've accepted the new suit and come out on stage to announce to the world he was a new member of the team.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2018 4:53:07 GMT
You got it backwards. charzhino owns the MCU fans here. You forget that he actually likes several MCU movies. He's just a little more critical than other posters of the MCU and just happens to prefer X Men. judgejosephdredd still made some pretty good points against his criticisms.
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Post by sostie on Jun 1, 2018 8:37:41 GMT
We would have a better time taking you seriously if you fixed your typing, didn't type like a pissy and stuck up teenage girl, didn't derail treads, didn't spam the MCU board with your anti-MCU propaganda, didn't have a superiority complex and didn't call us names and belittle us for wanting X Men in the MCU. mcu fans have no right to decide if xmen should be in the mcu.
xmen fans should decide and we have said no.
Right! What the fuck you talking about. No fanbase has any "rights" as to what is done with the characters. The only people that have any real say are the people that own those characters and those stump up the money to make the films. And all X-men fans have said "no" to X-Men in the MCU. Source?
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Post by charzhino on Jun 1, 2018 9:25:39 GMT
Are you kidding? The only thing they did right with Cyclops was how he looked, but beyond that he was fairly forgettable and uninteresting as a character. Nowhere the complex, complicated, wholly bad ass leader like was in the book. He was reduced to being a teacher's pet who served as the foil for Wolverine and Jean's romance. Speaking of which, Jean was reduced to being Wolverine's love interest, and little else. Any time they tried to get her past that it just became overshadowed by it. You're talking about the material they've given the characters to do in the films, that's not what I was talking about. Im referring to skaathars comments about the characters being Xmen in name only and nothing like what they were in the books. That's demonstrably false. Cyclops the character as portrayed by James Marsden is accurate to his comic book counterpart from a personality, mannerisms, motivations and beliefs point of view. He is shown to be an astute leader, calling the plan or action, being a straight flying square like Cap, a composed figure or authority and self confidence to feel responsible for his team. He may not have enough screen time but that doesn't mean he isn't representing the same essence of Scott Summers from the comics. Reading God Loves Man Kills, he is the same Cyclops as shown in X2. Jean Grey is also an accurate portrayal of an innocent mutant harbouring on a deep, underlying great power that shes afraid will take control of her. Famke got it 100% spot on. Yes, these characters are not so accurate, including the likes of Pyro but I was referencing the main ones in which they've been given enough screentime to develop.
Don't want to go into a Spiderman conversation but his motivation was completely butchered and wrong. He becomes Spiderman in Homecoming for the wrong reasons. Simple as that.
As for Thor he isn't a goofball as shown in Ragnarok. The real Thor is in Thor 1 and 2, maintaining a strong authority with his classic Shakespearean speech style.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Jun 1, 2018 15:33:19 GMT
You got it backwards. charzhino owns the MCU fans here. The blade has already pierced your side. You're bleeding out --- oh so slowly. Don't fight it. Death comes to everyone.
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Post by ThatGuy on Jun 1, 2018 15:38:09 GMT
It's more good sci-fi movies, but bad X-men movies. And it’s for the best. The pre-Claremont X-Men comics were garbage. Fox is already trying to be like the MCU. Have you seen the synopsis for Dark Phoenix? People in that universe love the X-men as great heroes like they love the Avengers in the MCU? Really? That should never be a thing. Actually that’s an idea from the Horsemen of The Apocalypse arc that X-Men: Apocalypse was inspired by. Yeah, but isn't that X-Factor? That's more of a Thunderbolts thing. Nevermind. I see what that is from. If they are using Apocalypse for that then the X-men movie-verse is very boring.
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Post by summers8 on Jun 1, 2018 17:30:06 GMT
They call us mcu haters? these people cannot understand why we dont want xmen to be disneyfied. Fox is already trying to be like the MCU. Have you seen the synopsis for Dark Phoenix? People in that universe love the X-men as great heroes like they love the Avengers in the MCU? Really? That should never be a thing. pretty pathetic.. if you read the comics or watch the cartoons. X-Men has had moment were they were heroes until something goes bad again . sorry that is not an mcu thing. that is an xmen thing. if you are too dumb to read the comics. watch the xmen evolution episode NO GOOD DEEDS. Now the official synopsis of dark phoenix says it is the darkest xmen movie yet with the most drama. MCU usually find ways to make their movies lighter and more jokey. not even the term Ragnarök could escape this nonsense.
In your cracked world of reality. where you convinced yourself multiple man will be comedy though Fox/Franco gave a synopsis similar to Logan, what you said is true. In the real world, we live in. more bs lies or just a rotten reflection of the how bad mcu is. how is fox trying to be like the mcu? am sorry, please look at the past xmen films. the ones that were released or to be made.Logan, deadpool 1+2, new mutants, multiple man.Nothing like the mcu. two of the directors are mcu haters and made no apologies for it. telling us they made anti mcu movies on purpose.
no one wants to be like the mcu because they want to be taken seriously even black panther tried to be like an xmen movie for those factors and failed. people do not want to be seen as brainless cgi jokes like mcu movies. same goes for DC movies. wait till the Spielberg or Scorsese comic DC films come out. As MCU gets more hatred and becomes more like transformers , their fans tells us, people want to be like them. LMAO. people are fleeing kid.
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Post by summers8 on Jun 1, 2018 17:38:43 GMT
You got it backwards. charzhino owns the MCU fans here. The blade has already pierced your side. You're bleeding out --- oh so slowly. Don't fight it. Death comes to everyone. I wanted a sign that disney will fail to get the X-Men rights. I got the sign after Solo.
It is beyond clear disney should not get any other established film franchise.
disney destroyed star wars to the point the prequels are now called amazing. disney could not handle star wars. they wont be able to handle xmen, a far more compelling and complex franchise than star wars but only matched by the star wars expanded universe that disney hates.
maybe disney's hatred for the star wars expended universe is why their own movies are so mediocre.
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Jun 1, 2018 18:07:42 GMT
I hope no one buys it. I don't want Rupert Murdock to get any money from it.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2018 18:55:25 GMT
Fox is already trying to be like the MCU. Have you seen the synopsis for Dark Phoenix? People in that universe love the X-men as great heroes like they love the Avengers in the MCU? Really? That should never be a thing. pretty pathetic.. if you read the comics or watch the cartoons. X-Men has had moment were they were heroes until something goes bad again . sorry that is not an mcu thing. that is an xmen thing. if you are too dumb to read the comics. watch the xmen evolution episode NO GOOD DEEDS. Now the official synopsis of dark phoenix says it is the darkest xmen movie yet with the most drama. MCU usually find ways to make their movies lighter and more jokey. not even the term Ragnarök could escape this nonsense.
In your cracked world of reality. where you convinced yourself multiple man will be comedy though Fox/Franco gave a synopsis similar to Logan, what you said is true. In the real world, we live in. more bs lies or just a rotten reflection of the how bad mcu is. how is fox trying to be like the mcu? am sorry, please look at the past xmen films. the ones that were released or to be made.Logan, deadpool 1+2, new mutants, multiple man.Nothing like the mcu. two of the directors are mcu haters and made no apologies for it. telling us they made anti mcu movies on purpose.
no one wants to be like the mcu because they want to be taken seriously even black panther tried to be like an xmen movie for those factors and failed. people do not want to be seen as brainless cgi jokes like mcu movies. same goes for DC movies. wait till the Spielberg or Scorsese comic DC films come out. As MCU gets more hatred and becomes more like transformers , their fans tells us, people want to be like them. LMAO. people are fleeing kid.
YAWN, keep living in your own fantasy world kid. As far as I know anyone I 've asked in person loves the MCU. Even if they're fans of the MCU their opinion still counts. Call MCU fans idiots all you want you make yourself look like an immature asshole the more you do it.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2018 19:06:44 GMT
The blade has already pierced your side. You're bleeding out --- oh so slowly. Don't fight it. Death comes to everyone. I wanted a sign that disney will fail to get the X-Men rights. I got the sign after Solo.
It is beyond clear disney should not get any other established film franchise.
disney destroyed star wars to the point the prequels are now called amazing. disney could not handle star wars. they wont be able to handle xmen, a far more compelling and complex franchise than star wars but only matched by the star wars expanded universe that disney hates.
maybe disney's hatred for the star wars expended universe is why their own movies are so mediocre.
I'll admit Disney isn't doing well with Star Wars but X Men more complex and compelling than Star War!? Don't make me laugh. X Men or any comic book movie for that matter can't even lick the shoes of the original trilogy and Revenge of the Sith was better than more than half of the X Men movies.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Jun 1, 2018 19:27:38 GMT
I wanted a sign that disney will fail to get the X-Men rights. I got the sign after Solo.
It is beyond clear disney should not get any other established film franchise.
disney destroyed star wars to the point the prequels are now called amazing. disney could not handle star wars. they wont be able to handle xmen, a far more compelling and complex franchise than star wars but only matched by the star wars expanded universe that disney hates.
maybe disney's hatred for the star wars expended universe is why their own movies are so mediocre.
I'll admit Disney isn't doing well with Star Wars but X Men more complex and compelling than Star War!? Don't make me laugh. X Men or any comic book movie for that matter can't even lick the shoes of the original trilogy and Revenge of the Sith was better than more than half of the X Men movies. Walk away, man. There's a reason I blocked that clown. He's telling you to watch cartoons to see how serious and mature the X-Men can be. Nuff said.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Jun 1, 2018 22:59:16 GMT
So basically Comcast is giving you an erection? Hee hee hee...
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Jun 2, 2018 0:11:23 GMT
Are you kidding? The only thing they did right with Cyclops was how he looked, but beyond that he was fairly forgettable and uninteresting as a character. Nowhere the complex, complicated, wholly bad ass leader like was in the book. He was reduced to being a teacher's pet who served as the foil for Wolverine and Jean's romance. Speaking of which, Jean was reduced to being Wolverine's love interest, and little else. Any time they tried to get her past that it just became overshadowed by it. You're talking about the material they've given the characters to do in the films, that's not what I was talking about. Im referring to skaathars comments about the characters being Xmen in name only and nothing like what they were in the books. That's demonstrably false. Cyclops the character as portrayed by James Marsden is accurate to his comic book counterpart from a personality, mannerisms, motivations and beliefs point of view. He is shown to be an astute leader, calling the plan or action, being a straight flying square like Cap, a composed figure or authority and self confidence to feel responsible for his team. He may not have enough screen time but that doesn't mean he isn't representing the same essence of Scott Summers from the comics. Reading God Loves Man Kills, he is the same Cyclops as shown in X2. Jean Grey is also an accurate portrayal of an innocent mutant harbouring on a deep, underlying great power that shes afraid will take control of her. Famke got it 100% spot on. Yes, these characters are not so accurate, including the likes of Pyro but I was referencing the main ones in which they've been given enough screentime to develop.
Don't want to go into a Spiderman conversation but his motivation was completely butchered and wrong. He becomes Spiderman in Homecoming for the wrong reasons. Simple as that.
As for Thor he isn't a goofball as shown in Ragnarok. The real Thor is in Thor 1 and 2, maintaining a strong authority with his classic Shakespearean speech style.
Sorry, but Cyclops as portrayed in the movies is nothing to write home about as a character nor is satisfactory enough for your average fan. Even with what you describe him as being in relation to how he is portrayed in the book the filmmakers clearly didn't favor him as well as other characters or try very hard to make him stand toe to toe with his on-screen partners, like Wolverine. In fact, he's the butt of almost every Wolverine's joke in the first two Singer movies and he got killed off just like that in The Last Stand. His chemistry with Jean Grey was also lacking and was not engaging, they could've done a lot more with the two but the filmmakers clearly favored Wolverine again and made his relationship with Jean more apparent and important. Jean is a much more complicated, complex, and stronger character in the book, the movie version got some of the basics right with her but mostly only on a surface level - Famke's performance did most of the work than the writing did. And why not? The MCU is definitely part of the discussion here so its not unnecessary to discuss their version of Spider-Man or Thor. What was butchered and wrong about his motivations and why he became Spider-Man in the first place? As for Thor he grew out of that from his time on Earth and interaction with others from the events of The Dark World to Ragnarok.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Jun 2, 2018 0:15:11 GMT
I stopped caring about the Disney/Fox deal a few months ago. If Disney wants to monopolize the entertainment industry, let them. The death of cinema is apparently inevitable anyway, and I’m probably not going to live long enough for that to affect me.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Jun 2, 2018 0:50:15 GMT
I stopped caring about the Disney/Fox deal a few months ago. If Disney wants to monopolize the entertainment industry, let them. The death of cinema is apparently inevitable anyway, and I’m probably not going to live long enough for that to affect me. Slipping into your apathy as if it were a nice, warm bath. I stand ready with the blessed hairdryer of your release. Just say the words... Hee hee hee...
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Jun 2, 2018 0:58:51 GMT
I stopped caring about the Disney/Fox deal a few months ago. If Disney wants to monopolize the entertainment industry, let them. The death of cinema is apparently inevitable anyway, and I’m probably not going to live long enough for that to affect me. Fair enough. I'm sick and tired of Hollywood bullshit so I'm fine with letting it all burn.
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Post by ThatGuy on Jun 2, 2018 14:34:07 GMT
Fox is already trying to be like the MCU. Have you seen the synopsis for Dark Phoenix? People in that universe love the X-men as great heroes like they love the Avengers in the MCU? Really? That should never be a thing. pretty pathetic.. if you read the comics or watch the cartoons. X-Men has had moment were they were heroes until something goes bad again . sorry that is not an mcu thing. that is an xmen thing. if you are too dumb to read the comics. watch the xmen evolution episode NO GOOD DEEDS. Now the official synopsis of dark phoenix says it is the darkest xmen movie yet with the most drama. MCU usually find ways to make their movies lighter and more jokey. not even the term Ragnarök could escape this nonsense.
In your cracked world of reality. where you convinced yourself multiple man will be comedy though Fox/Franco gave a synopsis similar to Logan, what you said is true. In the real world, we live in. more bs lies or just a rotten reflection of the how bad mcu is. how is fox trying to be like the mcu? am sorry, please look at the past xmen films. the ones that were released or to be made.Logan, deadpool 1+2, new mutants, multiple man.Nothing like the mcu. two of the directors are mcu haters and made no apologies for it. telling us they made anti mcu movies on purpose.
no one wants to be like the mcu because they want to be taken seriously even black panther tried to be like an xmen movie for those factors and failed. people do not want to be seen as brainless cgi jokes like mcu movies. same goes for DC movies. wait till the Spielberg or Scorsese comic DC films come out. As MCU gets more hatred and becomes more like transformers , their fans tells us, people want to be like them. LMAO. people are fleeing kid.
But for 10+ years? If this movie is in the 90s, that would mean they were heroes to the public for that long. Especially if the reason is them saving the world from Apocalypse. Boring X-men movie universe. There is no official synopsis of Dark Phoenix. Just people (like Kinberg and Evans) saying that it is in the same tone as First Class (Evans). Them just saying it in interviews is more marketing than giving an "official" synopsis.
Multiple Man is not coming out. Especially with people separating from Franco. Nothing has been said about it since November. Even on their page the only names there are people that created the character in the comics, Franco and the people that produce all the X-men movies. They started trying to be like the MCU with Apocalypse and failed. New Mutants has been pushed back so many times for reshoots. They are doing major changes to that movie. Same with Dark Phoenix. Nah, Deadpool 1 and 2 are more like FoX-men movies. Those 2 movies are the same plot structure.
Black Panther was nothing like an FoX-men movie. Just had the best comic book villain up to then. You see, the thing that people liked about Killmonger over Magneto is that Killmonger is fresh. Magneto has been preaching the same thing for decades to the point he's watered down. And dude, you want Comcast to get Fox and crying about something becoming like Transformers.
People are fleeing what? Did you not see all the people that went to see Infinity War and Black Panther?
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