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Post by brownstones on Jun 19, 2018 13:44:09 GMT
Why would I parrot Disney hate? I had assumed that Comcast would leave Fox as is....and I also forgot they owned Universal, and the article does make a decent point where there are film quadrant overlap between Fox and Universal. That being said.... if that's the case then I feel that regardless of the outcome.... we'll have less diversity in films, because I don't know if Disney will keep Fox as a studio to create smaller scale films, because they state often that they're in the Blockbuster business, and if Comcast acquires Fox then as stated in the article then why have two of the same when you can merge them. Yeah but, what was the initial basis for your assumption that Comcast would magnanimously just leave Fox intact? And conversely, what would incentivize Disney to dismantle it? Sounds like you were just jumping on the thread's bandwagon... Well I assumed that Comcast would work more as a distributor rather than content creator, and as Disney has stated before they're in the 4 quadrant blockbuster business
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Post by kratos on Jun 19, 2018 14:22:20 GMT
Nope Disney might actually do something with F4 for once and the X-men have become stale to the point theyre retreading the same same dark phoenix story for the second time.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Jun 19, 2018 14:22:59 GMT
Yeah but, what was the initial basis for your assumption that Comcast would magnanimously just leave Fox intact? And conversely, what would incentivize Disney to dismantle it? Sounds like you were just jumping on the thread's bandwagon... Well I assumed that Comcast would work more as a distributor rather than content creator, and as Disney has stated before they're in the 4 quadrant blockbuster business Okay then... It's obvious that you don't know much about this deal beyond some media quotes and a few soundbites. I would suggest that you become more informed before "rooting HARD" for either party.
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Post by brownstones on Jun 19, 2018 14:24:27 GMT
Well I assumed that Comcast would work more as a distributor rather than content creator, and as Disney has stated before they're in the 4 quadrant blockbuster business Okay then... It's obvious that you don't know much about this deal beyond some media quotes and a few soundbites. I would suggest that you become more informed before "rooting HARD" for either party. I'm not "rooting hard" jeez
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Post by Lord Death Man on Jun 19, 2018 14:36:17 GMT
Okay then... It's obvious that you don't know much about this deal beyond some media quotes and a few soundbites. I would suggest that you become more informed before "rooting HARD" for either party. I'm not "rooting hard" jeez Fair enough...
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Post by palerider on Jun 19, 2018 19:10:51 GMT
To an extent, yes. While I wouldn't mind seeing the Xmen and FF join the MCU, I'm more concerned with Fox as an actual studio being dismantled..... If Comcast acquires Fox then it seems Fox will remain as is for the most part, the same way AT&T absorbed Time Warner. We can't be sure, how do we know that Universal wouldn't dismantle it?
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Post by Surly on Jun 19, 2018 22:53:36 GMT
Definitely rooting for Comcast. Yeah, Disney has handled the rest of Marvel okay. But that's because they've been very hands off and let Kevin Feige do his thing. But look at the mess Disney is turning Star Wars into. And what will Disney do to the non-Marvel films? Turn them into Disneyfied fodder? Soon everything will be contaminated with their media formulas.
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Post by ThatGuy on Jun 19, 2018 23:52:26 GMT
Definitely rooting for Comcast. Yeah, Disney has handled the rest of Marvel okay. But that's because they've been very hands off and let Kevin Feige do his thing. But look at the mess Disney is turning Star Wars into. And what will Disney do to the non-Marvel films? Turn them into Disneyfied fodder? Soon everything will be contaminated with their media formulas. Umm, Disney is letting Lucasfilm do their thing. Kathleen Kennedy is their Feige. And Star Wars has always been the way it is. There's just more content coming of it. The same things that people are saying was also said about the other movies. There's just added racism and sexism and the internet allowing for people to be louder.
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Post by Surly on Jun 20, 2018 0:16:57 GMT
Definitely rooting for Comcast. Yeah, Disney has handled the rest of Marvel okay. But that's because they've been very hands off and let Kevin Feige do his thing. But look at the mess Disney is turning Star Wars into. And what will Disney do to the non-Marvel films? Turn them into Disneyfied fodder? Soon everything will be contaminated with their media formulas. Umm, Disney is letting Lucasfilm do their thing. Kathleen Kennedy is their Feige. And Star Wars has always been the way it is. There's just more content coming of it. The same things that people are saying was also said about the other movies. There's just added racism and sexism and the internet allowing for people to be louder. Well, while Feige has shown a good grasp of Marvel authenticity & how to progressively unfold it's universe, I can't say the same for Kennedy. Characters that feel more Disney than Star Wars. Storyline and plot issues on the episodic movies. And costs from massive reshoots that have only been survived so far because it's Star Wars. 'Solo' seems to be paying for it, the first sign that these issues have caught up to them. The first Star Wars box office flop. But you know what they say... one is a fluke, two is a trend, three is a sure thing. Could be a lot riding on episode 9.
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Post by ThatGuy on Jun 20, 2018 1:31:58 GMT
Umm, Disney is letting Lucasfilm do their thing. Kathleen Kennedy is their Feige. And Star Wars has always been the way it is. There's just more content coming of it. The same things that people are saying was also said about the other movies. There's just added racism and sexism and the internet allowing for people to be louder. Well, while Feige has shown a good grasp of Marvel authenticity & how to progressively unfold it's universe, I can't say the same for Kennedy. Characters that feel more Disney than Star Wars. Storyline and plot issues on the episodic movies. And costs from massive reshoots that have only been survived so far because it's Star Wars. 'Solo' seems to be paying for it, the first sign that these issues have caught up to them. The first Star Wars box office flop. But you know what they say... one is a fluke, two is a trend, three is a sure thing. Could be a lot riding on episode 9. So how is that a Disney fault and not a Lucasfilm fault?
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Post by summers8 on Jun 20, 2018 5:19:14 GMT
the difference between star wars and mcu is that with star wars, it was already established so people knew what to expect, with mcu it was not so disney could keep destroying the series and dumbing it down until many long time comic fans and film makers started speaking out about how awful these mcu movies actually are, now with star wars everyone can now see why disney is a cancer to these series and have rejected them to own any other series. xmen, aliens, planet of the apes.
throw spiderman in as well, thanks to the sam raimi movies, everyone saw how mediocre Homecoming was. No MCU movie can even get past DOFP or Logan. the best they have come close is with Winter Solider, disney xmen will be worse than Disney star wars. better to avoid the nonsense now,
MCU fans are funny, your know your movies are mediocre, they don't want other marvel movies to exists. funny thing. spiderman fans and xmen fans had no problem with sony and fox making their series and never felt insecure or bitter. why cant mcu fans be the same?
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Post by summers8 on Jun 20, 2018 5:23:09 GMT
Umm, Disney is letting Lucasfilm do their thing. Kathleen Kennedy is their Feige. And Star Wars has always been the way it is. There's just more content coming of it. The same things that people are saying was also said about the other movies. There's just added racism and sexism and the internet allowing for people to be louder. Well, while Feige has shown a good grasp of Marvel authenticity & how to progressively unfold it's universe, I can't say the same for Kennedy. Characters that feel more Disney than Star Wars. Storyline and plot issues on the episodic movies. And costs from massive reshoots that have only been survived so far because it's Star Wars. 'Solo' seems to be paying for it, the first sign that these issues have caught up to them. The first Star Wars box office flop. But you know what they say... one is a fluke, two is a trend, three is a sure thing. Could be a lot riding on episode 9. I doubt Feige has had a good grasp. if he did all mcu movies will not be the same, act the same and look the same and most of their movies with not be kids comedy. disney gives him a formula to follow.
the formula is the same formula they used with star wars but since star wars was already established, their fans rejected it, Same will happen with xmen fans. xmen fans have already rejected the mcu forumla. the mcu formula is not good enough to tell xmen stories.
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Post by charzhino on Jun 20, 2018 10:01:23 GMT
the mcu formula is not good enough to tell xmen stories. This sums it all up. All you have to do is look at how pretty much every MCU film ends with a heavy CGI explosions fight and compare to how Xmen films ends.
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Post by hardball on Jun 20, 2018 15:23:12 GMT
Disney has upped its bid to $71.3 billion.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Jun 20, 2018 15:26:18 GMT
In Australia this thread title has an entirely different connotation.
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Post by palerider on Jun 20, 2018 15:54:01 GMT
the difference between star wars and mcu is that with star wars, it was already established so people knew what to expect, with mcu it was not so disney could keep destroying the series and dumbing it down until many long time comic fans and film makers started speaking out about how awful these mcu movies actually are, now with star wars everyone can now see why disney is a cancer to these series and have rejected them to own any other series. xmen, aliens, planet of the apes. throw spiderman in as well, thanks to the sam raimi movies, everyone saw how mediocre Homecoming was. No MCU movie can even get past DOFP or Logan. the best they have come close is with Winter Solider, disney xmen will be worse than Disney star wars. better to avoid the nonsense now, MCU fans are funny, your know your movies are mediocre, they don't want other marvel movies to exists. funny thing. spiderman fans and xmen fans had no problem with sony and fox making their series and never felt insecure or bitter. why cant mcu fans be the same? The difference with Star Wars is that it had a conclusion 30 years ago and any continuation was going to be problematic. Especially with the OT leads not in charge anymore. What happened with the Sequels was unavoidable.
The MCU is thinking ahead and introducing replacement characters and replacement storylines as they wrap up the older characters and current stories. So there's more room for development than there was with Star Wars.
DOFP and Logan aren't that good, really. Logan was just a Clint Eastwood movie I've seen dozens of times, and DOFP was full of plot holes.
Honestly, your hatred isn't objective.
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Post by palerider on Jun 20, 2018 15:54:46 GMT
the mcu formula is not good enough to tell xmen stories. This sums it all up. All you have to do is look at how pretty much every MCU film ends with a heavy CGI explosions fight and compare to how Xmen films ends. The X-Men movies have similar plotlines and endings too though. Especially with how repetitive their characters have become, how many times will Xavier let Magneto go?
And Disney upped their bid: www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-44544802
Comcast probably is going to lose this, they have too much debt to keep up with Disney.
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Post by summers8 on Jun 20, 2018 16:06:15 GMT
Definitely rooting for Comcast. Yeah, Disney has handled the rest of Marvel okay. But that's because they've been very hands off and let Kevin Feige do his thing. But look at the mess Disney is turning Star Wars into. And what will Disney do to the non-Marvel films? Turn them into Disneyfied fodder? Soon everything will be contaminated with their media formulas. if they let feige do his thing why was Raganork a comedy and why were all the mcu movies of 2017 so inferior to Logan?
Disney has their claws sunk into marvel. marvel is more like disney cartoons now.comcast started the bid sure they can raise it to 80 billion. you are right on the disneyfied fodder, look at star wars.
comcast bid please. you are richer.
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Post by palerider on Jun 20, 2018 16:08:38 GMT
Definitely rooting for Comcast. Yeah, Disney has handled the rest of Marvel okay. But that's because they've been very hands off and let Kevin Feige do his thing. But look at the mess Disney is turning Star Wars into. And what will Disney do to the non-Marvel films? Turn them into Disneyfied fodder? Soon everything will be contaminated with their media formulas. if they let feige do his thing why was Raganork a comedy and why were all the mcu movies of 2017 so inferior to Logan? 1) They let the director do what he wanted, and it paid off. 2) Logan was just a Clint Eastwood/Charles Bronson movie. Comcast's idea of movies is stuff like Dracula Untold and the Mummy. Why would anyone want the X-Men to be like those movies? And Star Wars is made by the same people who used to work for George Lucas. Disney isn't forcing them to do anything.
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Post by summers8 on Jun 20, 2018 16:11:51 GMT
In Australia this thread title has an entirely different connotation. Maybe Australia has better journalism.
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