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Post by President Ackbar™ on Sept 8, 2018 15:41:51 GMT
Okay, I changed my mind ( again ) overnight.
Just go ahead and watch the prequels.
Fuck Disney.
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Post by Nalkarj on Sept 9, 2018 0:07:19 GMT
Okay, I changed my mind ( again ) overnight. Just go ahead and watch the prequels. Fuck Disney. Anything particular that changed your mind?
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Post by Nalkarj on Sept 9, 2018 0:17:45 GMT
President Ackbar™, coldenhaulfield, Tristan's JournalThanks, guys! I’m still not sure at this point, actually, especially with reading everything everyone has written about the sequels here. I’ve just got this built-in resistance, too, because I just saw them, enjoyed them, and don’t really want to ruin first impressions (does that make sense?). Basically, while I was bothered by the story’s ending so quickly, if the characters, whom I all liked, are inextricably ruined, I’d prefer not to see them at all. Unless they are actually decent stories? Or a few of them are? (I don’t even know how many there are. I was going to see the last one before Solo at the movie theater, but I wasn’t able to at the last minute—happy to have started viewing ‘em with the originals, though. Tristan, I do love fairy-tales and adventures; that’s fairly deep-rooted in me. But I also like Shakespearean political dramas, tragedies that befall great men, etc. What do you mean that I’ve already seen the sequels? And what on earth is Dinosaur-Man even doing in that last shot?
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Post by President Ackbar™ on Sept 9, 2018 1:35:10 GMT
Okay, I changed my mind ( again ) overnight. Just go ahead and watch the prequels. Fuck Disney. Anything particular that changed your mind? Yeah, actually, when you mentioned your friend saying that Disney "doesn't do justice to the (OT) characters." The Disney films either minimize the OT characters (7,8) or ignore them completely (RO, SOLO) and thus they are at best, unnecessary, and at worst, pointless. I wouldn't even bother watching the Disney films.
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Post by Nalkarj on Sept 9, 2018 1:40:12 GMT
Anything particular that changed your mind? Yeah, actually, when you mentioned your friend saying that Disney "doesn't do justice to the (OT) characters." The Disney films either minimize the OT characters (7,8) or ignore them completely (RO, SOLO) and thus they are at best, unnecessary, and at worst, pointless. I wouldn't even bother watching the Disney films. Yeah, Mitch (that’s my friend) was here in Boston last week, and he and I had a long discussion about Star Wars when I talked to him about having seen them, and he pretty much said what you said. Ironically, the one I was most interested in seeing, Solo, is the one that got the worst reviews!
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Post by President Ackbar™ on Sept 9, 2018 1:42:36 GMT
Yeah, actually, when you mentioned your friend saying that Disney "doesn't do justice to the (OT) characters." The Disney films either minimize the OT characters (7,8) or ignore them completely (RO, SOLO) and thus they are at best, unnecessary, and at worst, pointless. I wouldn't even bother watching the Disney films. Yeah, Mitch (that’s my friend) was here in Boston last week, and he and I had a long discussion about Star Wars when I talked to him about having seen them, and he pretty much said what you said. Ironically, the one I was most interested in seeing, Solo, is the one that got the worst reviews! ( I think ) I was trying to be fair to the Disney films, as some youngsters are claiming they like RO better than the original SW, but then I came to my senses. You can always watch the spinoff crap later ( like the rest of us did )
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Post by President Ackbar™ on Sept 9, 2018 1:45:13 GMT
I am old ( and old school ) I love the original film so much that i wouldn't even care if it was a stand alone film. Episodes 5 and 6 are cool enough, though. And I accept 1, 2, and 3 as part of George Lucas' overall vision. But I don't have to accept Mickey Mouse's non-Skywalker bullshit if I don't want to.
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Post by President Ackbar™ on Sept 9, 2018 1:49:14 GMT
Bottom line, SW is the story of the Skywalker family, shame on Disney for thinking they could make films that minimized or excluded them.
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Post by Nalkarj on Sept 9, 2018 2:00:33 GMT
Got it, President Ackbar™. I’ll let you all know when I see the next Star Wars I see, whatever it is.
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Post by President Ackbar™ on Sept 9, 2018 2:03:37 GMT
Got it, President Ackbar™ . I’ll let you all know when I see the next Star Wars I see, whatever it is. I really do think you should see Episode I next. It's what the rest of us did!
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Post by Nalkarj on Sept 9, 2018 2:04:30 GMT
Got it, President Ackbar™ . I’ll let you all know when I see the next Star Wars I see, whatever it is. I really do think you should see Episode I next. It's what the rest of us did! OK. I think the library has that one too.
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Post by President Ackbar™ on Sept 9, 2018 2:05:32 GMT
I really do think you should see Episode I next. It's what the rest of us did! OK. I think the library has that one too. If you go to the Jedi library on Coruscant, ask for Jocasta Nu!
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Post by Nalkarj on Sept 9, 2018 2:06:13 GMT
OK. I think the library has that one too. If you go to the Jedi library on Coruscant, ask for Jocasta Nu! Is that the lady I named “the dame in the toga” in Return of the Jedi?
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Post by President Ackbar™ on Sept 9, 2018 2:08:11 GMT
If you go to the Jedi library on Coruscant, ask for Jocasta Nu! Is that the lady I named “the dame in the toga” in Return of the Jedi? Ha! No! But, you will see her in the prequels!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2018 4:26:27 GMT
To add my two cents... Watch the originals at least one hundred and ten more times before watching any of the others. That's what the rest of us did!
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Post by President Ackbar™ on Sept 9, 2018 4:58:10 GMT
To add my two cents... Watch the originals at least one hundred and ten more times before watching any of the others. That's what the rest of us did! BRILLIANT!
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Sept 9, 2018 9:45:23 GMT
this is an integral part of the PT, in fact Palpatine's rise by letting democracy stumble over itself is one of the best storytelling in sci-fi B-Movies in the last few decades. Mind that the whole thing is written as a plot puzzle that needs some analytical skills ("phantom menace"): to fully understand it you must know that the central character acts in a double role to have his home world invaded so he can use the victim card and sympathy bonus to get himself elected as supreme ruler. Without that political puzzle it's just a creative adventure with dinosaur men and colorful explosions, but rather bland. let's just say they are not very original or creative. You will basically get all the old spaceships repainted (literally)and the old stories regurgitated. Eg (very mild spoiler) Remember the first 5min of Star Wars:
Plot beat1: Stormtroopers attack civilians to get mcguffin item, defeating them. Plot beat 2: Enter their leader, a black masked ex-Jedi Skywalker who was seduced by a dark lord and who betrayed and destroyed the Jedi order. Plot beat3: He the questions the civilian leader for the item and kills him. Plot beat4: Young rebel hides mcguffin item in robot who flees into desert. Plot beat5: Rebel gets captured and questioned… etc
Now watch The Force Awakens (ep 7), detect any similarities? As the glorious Mr Binks, Jar Jar Binks, himself put it: "Mesa day startin pretty okee-day with a brisky morning munchy, then BOOM! Gettin very scared and grabbin that Jedi and POW! Mesa here!" The fanbase loves to bully poor old Binks: it's not much better with the film characters:
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Post by Nalkarj on Sept 21, 2018 0:17:12 GMT
Here we go again, let’s round up the usual suspects: President Ackbar™ , @forceghostackbar , coldenhaulfield , Tristan's Journal , Primemovermithrax Pejorative , No Morpho, Only Bánh mì , BATouttaheck (sorry if I missed anyone) I found out that The Phantom Menace is available for free on Internet Archive, here, and I started it. Actually pretty good so far. I keep thinking that Neeson should have been the one who played young Obi-Wan, though—despite the accent, he convinces me a lot more as a young Alec Guinness than the guy actually playing the part. And I thought he was playing a young Obi-Wan at first. Dinosaur-Man (I’m going to keep calling him that) is annoying, yes. Very annoying. But I’m trying to pay more attention to everyone else.
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Post by Nalkarj on Sept 21, 2018 0:22:14 GMT
This feels more sci-fi-y, but I like the sights, the settings, even if the aliens seem goofy to me—goofier than any of them in the original movies except for Jabba’s chief minion in Jedi.
@forceghostackbar, I’ve warmed up to the Droids. Their rapport (if you can call R2D2’s beeps one side of a rapport) is rather endearing.
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Post by Nalkarj on Sept 21, 2018 0:24:53 GMT
Anyone remember that Disney Treasure Island knock-off, Treasure Planet? It’s not that great of a movie, but it had a good Long John Silver, along with voice-performances from Emma Thompson and David Hyde-Pierce! Point is, the lots and lots of aliens in this remind of that, as does the design of the world. Though that was probably Planet borrowing from this.
Hey, and speak of the devil! There’s Jabba and his weirdo minion now!
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