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Post by nutsberryfarm 🏜 on Jun 1, 2018 17:09:46 GMT
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Post by klawrencio79 on Jun 1, 2018 18:17:58 GMT
As the Mets season continues to spiral downward, with a new injury every day, a familiar and beloved figure in the organization made the news recently and you know what, it's the worst possible news for the team. David Wright, the former all-star who hasn't appeared in a major league game in over 2 years now, is finally set to resume baseball activities within the next 1-3 weeks.
So, when and if he does finally come back, he'll take up a valuable roster spot for either a contributing member of the team or a kid trying to get some experience, he'll play in 20 or so games before getting hurt, the team won't put him on the DL for 4-5 days, seeing if he can right the ship on his own, thus putting the team a man short for a week or so, before finally putting him back on the shelf where he belongs.
Look, I love David Wright, you love David Wright, we all love David Wright, but for fuck's sake, RETIRE! We all admire your tenacity and drive to get back out there but it's over. Stop the charade now once and for all and stop taking up a valuable roster spot every now and again. Hang em up and step into the role of team spokesman, appearing at junkets at the stadium or at charity events which is what you should have done already.
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Post by sdm3 on Jun 1, 2018 18:32:37 GMT
Brewers/Indians World Series?!!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2018 18:42:31 GMT
2 MLB Insiders - Jon Heyman and Bob Nightengale have linked Machado to the Phils at the trade deadline.
I really hope this doesn't mean the departure of any combination of top pitching prospect Sixto Sanchez, J.P. Crawford, Scott Kingery etc.
One of Franco or Crawford would have to be included.
Would love to have him here but why not just throw the moon and stars at him this free agency?
Unless the plan is to 'go for it' now and they know full well before a trade he's going to re-ink here - and then land Harper free agency too.
Maybe he can be had for 50 cents on the dollar?
Be quite the coup to land both Machado and Harper since they're going to have major $$$ from the Comcast Deal and pretty much unlimited coin to throw around.
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Post by Xeliou66 on Jun 1, 2018 19:54:23 GMT
Thanks for starting it nuts, I am sick and forgot to start it.
Right now I would say it looks like the Astros and Red Sox are the best teams in the AL and the Brewers are the best in the NL.
I think the Phillies are the frontrunners to land Machado, they could use a star like him and also they need 3B/SS. Getting him would make the Phillies definite World Series contenders.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2018 20:01:17 GMT
Thanks for starting it nuts, I am sick and forgot to start it. Right now I would say it looks like the Astros and Red Sox are the best teams in the AL and the Brewers are the best in the NL. I think the Phillies are the frontrunners to land Machado, they could use a star like him and also they need 3B/SS. Getting him would make the Phillies definite World Series contenders. Franco has been a pleasant surprise this year at 3rd - I wrote him off after he was supposed to be the cornerstone of the rebuild years ago and had shown no discipline at the plate always swinging for the fences. Crawford was once considered the #1 prospect in all of ball - despite his struggles - he's still young. I can't believe Machado is only 25 years old. If they can get a guarantee he'll re-sign here and have to part with Crawford and say a top pitching prospect in the minors and then 2 or 3 2nd tier mid level prospects - I think you've got to do it. Os risk getting nothing for him. That may be all it takes. Hell look what the Marlins got for Stanton.
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Post by Xeliou66 on Jun 1, 2018 20:14:17 GMT
Crawford has done squat for the Phillies, I don’t think they should hesitate to trade him as part of the package for Machado. Franco has been solid I agree.
I think the Phillies should definitely try to trade for Machado, he is the kind of star player they need to make a World Series run.
I’m still pissed about how the Marlins got squat for Stanton, they traded the MVP for nothing as part of a fire sale.
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Post by klawrencio79 on Jun 1, 2018 20:49:27 GMT
Crawford has done squat for the Phillies, I don’t think they should hesitate to trade him as part of the package for Machado. Franco has been solid I agree. I think the Phillies should definitely try to trade for Machado, he is the kind of star player they need to make a World Series run. I’m still pissed about how the Marlins got squat for Stanton, they traded the MVP for nothing as part of a fire sale. Don't blame the Marlins, it's some sort of Yankee magic fairy dust. They trade for guys and give up extra bottles of water that they had in storage, but they trade away rentals to other teams and get a massive haul of blue chip prospects. Actually, blame the Marlins. They traded Ozuna for some really cute pictures of my dog. She's the best!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2018 20:49:47 GMT
Any 'salary cap' experts here.
Somebody school me.
Albeit there's no 'cap' in MLB - how sane is it for a team to go over the luxury tax threshold (has that threshold hit $200 mil yet in MLB?) to sign the likes of Machado and Harper - keep in mind this team may have bigtime bucks due to a Cable deal and then you factor in other revenue - i.e. merchandising, gate sales......
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Post by klawrencio79 on Jun 1, 2018 20:59:46 GMT
Any 'salary cap' experts here. Somebody school me. Albeit there's no 'cap' in MLB - how sane is it for a team to go over the luxury tax threshold (has that threshold hit $200 mil yet in MLB?) to sign the likes of Machado and Harper - keep in mind this team may have bigtime bucks due to a Cable deal and then you factor in other revenue - i.e. merchandising, gate sales...... To sign BOTH guys would essentially preclude them from signing anyone else and make it difficult to patch holes without going over the luxury tax threshold, which I'm not sure they're willing to do. Plus, they're in a great spot right now but going by what their salary situation is right now, adding those two guys at what is assumed to be an AAV of $25m per year (at least, if not more), then you're looking at about 40% of your salary going to two players. You're better off signing one of those guys and spreading the rest around to get back end rotation depth, bullpen arms, a dependable veteran utility man, etc. If you're paying $50m to those two guys, then you're relying on dregs and hail mary type players to fill holes.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2018 21:10:04 GMT
Any 'salary cap' experts here. Somebody school me. Albeit there's no 'cap' in MLB - how sane is it for a team to go over the luxury tax threshold (has that threshold hit $200 mil yet in MLB?) to sign the likes of Machado and Harper - keep in mind this team may have bigtime bucks due to a Cable deal and then you factor in other revenue - i.e. merchandising, gate sales...... To sign BOTH guys would essentially preclude them from signing anyone else and make it difficult to patch holes without going over the luxury tax threshold, which I'm not sure they're willing to do. Plus, they're in a great spot right now but going by what their salary situation is right now, adding those two guys at what is assumed to be an AAV of $25m per year (at least, if not more), then you're looking at about 40% of your salary going to two players. You're better off signing one of those guys and spreading the rest around to get back end rotation depth, bullpen arms, a dependable veteran utility man, etc. If you're paying $50m to those two guys, then you're relying on dregs and hail mary type players to fill holes. I get that may be the 'rational' thing to do But if they do go over that luxury tax threshold by signing both - It brings an atmosphere back ala 2007-2011 to go along with Arrieta and Nola and a younger core - which raises ticket sales (full park again) which in turn spikes ratings and merchandising. Albeit they have the TV contract in place - but it puts them back on the 'Big Stage' - it's a joke now - but circa 2008-2011 - everyone was referring to them as the Yankees of the NL. Old saying in life - to make money - you've got to spend money. Rank these three players you'd build the Mets around: 1. Trout 2. Machado 3. Harper I ask because I've always been intrigued by Trout coming 'home' and I think the Angels may at some point put him on the block and try to get a ransom for him. In order for this park to be pretty much 'Boogie Nights' again everynight - I think it's a risk worth breaking the bank and grabbing 2 of the 3 above to go along with their young core.
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Post by klawrencio79 on Jun 1, 2018 21:15:38 GMT
To sign BOTH guys would essentially preclude them from signing anyone else and make it difficult to patch holes without going over the luxury tax threshold, which I'm not sure they're willing to do. Plus, they're in a great spot right now but going by what their salary situation is right now, adding those two guys at what is assumed to be an AAV of $25m per year (at least, if not more), then you're looking at about 40% of your salary going to two players. You're better off signing one of those guys and spreading the rest around to get back end rotation depth, bullpen arms, a dependable veteran utility man, etc. If you're paying $50m to those two guys, then you're relying on dregs and hail mary type players to fill holes. I get that may be the 'rational' thing to do But if they do go over that luxury tax threshold by signing both - It brings an atmosphere back ala 2007-2011 to go along with Arrieta and Nola and a younger core - which raises ticket sales (full park again) which in turn spikes ratings and merchandising. Albeit they have the TV contract in place - but it puts them back on the 'Big Stage' - it's a joke now - but circa 2008-2011 - everyone was referring to them as the Yankees of the NL. Old saying in life - to make money - you've got to spend money. Rank these three players you'd build the Mets around: 1. Trout 2. Machado 3. Harper I ask because I've always been intrigued by Trout coming 'home' and I think the Angels may at some point put him on the block and try to get a ransom for him. In order for this park to be pretty much 'Boogie Nights' again everynight - I think it's a risk worth breaking the bank and grabbing 2 of the 3 above to go along with their young core. That's all cute and great, but it's not going to happen and it really doesn't make any sense, from a baseball perspective or a business perspective. Signing both of those guys may reap immediate returns, but would quickly quash their ability to retain that team. You sign one of those guys, you're basically vaulted into a top contender. To answer your question, the answer is Trout, but the Mets don't have the types of returns the Angels would want. They want a crop of MLB-ready top level talent under team control and the Mets just don't have enough of that. I'm happy if they push for either Harper or Machado but I just don't see it happening. They're happy to play this stupid game of small ball....when it suits them. Then they spend $16m on shit stacks like Jason Vargas. They don't want Mike Moustakas because on-base Todd Frazier and his .215 average may become available!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2018 21:20:35 GMT
I get that may be the 'rational' thing to do But if they do go over that luxury tax threshold by signing both - It brings an atmosphere back ala 2007-2011 to go along with Arrieta and Nola and a younger core - which raises ticket sales (full park again) which in turn spikes ratings and merchandising. Albeit they have the TV contract in place - but it puts them back on the 'Big Stage' - it's a joke now - but circa 2008-2011 - everyone was referring to them as the Yankees of the NL. Old saying in life - to make money - you've got to spend money. Rank these three players you'd build the Mets around: 1. Trout 2. Machado 3. Harper I ask because I've always been intrigued by Trout coming 'home' and I think the Angels may at some point put him on the block and try to get a ransom for him. In order for this park to be pretty much 'Boogie Nights' again everynight - I think it's a risk worth breaking the bank and grabbing 2 of the 3 above to go along with their young core. That's all cute and great, but it's not going to happen and it really doesn't make any sense, from a baseball perspective or a business perspective. Signing both of those guys may reap immediate returns, but would quickly quash their ability to retain that team. You sign one of those guys, you're basically vaulted into a top contender. To answer your question, the answer is Trout, but the Mets don't have the types of returns the Angels would want. They want a crop of MLB-ready top level talent under team control and the Mets just don't have enough of that. I'm happy if they push for either Harper or Machado but I just don't see it happening. They're happy to play this stupid game of small ball....when it suits them. Then they spend $16m on shit stacks like Jason Vargas. They don't want Mike Moustakas because on-base Todd Frazier and his .215 average may become available! From a baseball perspective it may be argued it's not the smartest thing to do - to put all your eggs in 2 baskets; however from a Business perspective to have Harpers and Machados mugs on billboards lined all up and down I-95 and the Tri-State are to go along with Arrieta and Nola and a young core - it screams $$$. I'm buying tickets again 
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Jun 1, 2018 21:31:10 GMT
To sign BOTH guys would essentially preclude them from signing anyone else and make it difficult to patch holes without going over the luxury tax threshold, which I'm not sure they're willing to do. Plus, they're in a great spot right now but going by what their salary situation is right now, adding those two guys at what is assumed to be an AAV of $25m per year (at least, if not more), then you're looking at about 40% of your salary going to two players. You're better off signing one of those guys and spreading the rest around to get back end rotation depth, bullpen arms, a dependable veteran utility man, etc. If you're paying $50m to those two guys, then you're relying on dregs and hail mary type players to fill holes. Rank these three players you'd build the Mets around: 1. Trout 2. Machado 3. Harper 
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2018 21:33:56 GMT
Rank these three players you'd build the Mets around: 1. Trout 2. Machado 3. Harper  rumor has it (who knows) - they could have had him and Swihart for Hamels years ago - but who knows. good to see the kid doing good though - because i know he struggled too when he first came up.... sometimes it does take time and you can't be automatically labeled as a bust just because you disappoint at first.......
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Post by klawrencio79 on Jun 1, 2018 21:39:17 GMT
Rank these three players you'd build the Mets around: 1. Trout 2. Machado 3. Harper  Remember those awesome Harvey-Betts talks from years ago? If only......
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Jun 1, 2018 22:04:15 GMT
rumor has it (who knows) - they could have had him and Swihart for Hamels years ago - but who knows. good to see the kid doing good though - because i know he struggled too when he first came up.... sometimes it does take time and you can't be automatically labeled as a bust just because you disappoint at first....... Phillies wanted Betts and Swihart but the Red Sox never considered it. I read rumors that the Phils would have taken Swihart even up but Ben Cherington thought more of Swihart than Boegarts, Betts, or JBJ. Dolt. I could be wrong, but I don't think Mookie Betts has reached his full potential.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2018 22:08:17 GMT
As the Mets season continues to spiral downward, with a new injury every day, a familiar and beloved figure in the organization made the news recently and you know what, it's the worst possible news for the team. David Wright, the former all-star who hasn't appeared in a major league game in over 2 years now, is finally set to resume baseball activities within the next 1-3 weeks. So, when and if he does finally come back, he'll take up a valuable roster spot for either a contributing member of the team or a kid trying to get some experience, he'll play in 20 or so games before getting hurt, the team won't put him on the DL for 4-5 days, seeing if he can right the ship on his own, thus putting the team a man short for a week or so, before finally putting him back on the shelf where he belongs. Look, I love David Wright, you love David Wright, we all love David Wright, but for fuck's sake, RETIRE! We all admire your tenacity and drive to get back out there but it's over. Stop the charade now once and for all and stop taking up a valuable roster spot every now and again. Hang em up and step into the role of team spokesman, appearing at junkets at the stadium or at charity events which is what you should have done already. Agreed. I like David Wright as well, but he's done.
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Post by nutsberryfarm 🏜 on Jun 1, 2018 23:30:48 GMT
Thanks for starting it nuts, I am sick and forgot to start it. Right now I would say it looks like the Astros and Red Sox are the best teams in the AL and the Brewers are the best in the NL. I think the Phillies are the frontrunners to land Machado, they could use a star like him and also they need 3B/SS. Getting him would make the Phillies definite World Series contenders. get well, buddy!
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Post by Xeliou66 on Jun 2, 2018 0:47:47 GMT
Thanks for starting it nuts, I am sick and forgot to start it. Right now I would say it looks like the Astros and Red Sox are the best teams in the AL and the Brewers are the best in the NL. I think the Phillies are the frontrunners to land Machado, they could use a star like him and also they need 3B/SS. Getting him would make the Phillies definite World Series contenders. get well, buddy! Thank you my friend, just came down with a sore throat last night, I should get better over the weekend.
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