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Post by johnspartan on Jun 2, 2018 16:05:06 GMT
I always liked 80s slasher flicks long before that "Scream" garbage parodied them, but I've wondered since one of the supposed cliches' is "You die if you have sex" does that mean the greatest slasher flicks had a conservative political message?
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Post by Popeye Doyle on Jun 2, 2018 16:11:55 GMT
Pre-marital sex and/or drugs will result in a horrible, GIF worthy death. Just look happened to Crispin Glover in Friday the 13th Part IV. Even Ginger and Matt in the Terminator were soon wasted after fucking to some tunes. |
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Post by mikef6 on Jun 2, 2018 16:39:15 GMT
Well, conservatism IS a hateful anti-people political philosophy that is dedicated to making the rich richer while tightly controlling the behavior of individuals, esp. of women and minorities and esp. in people's sex and love lives, e.g. denying birth control for women in healthcare plans but paying for men's ED medicine. My feeling is: if pregnancy is god's will, so is a limp dick.
Conclusion: yeah, slashers are very conservative.
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Post by petrolino on Jun 2, 2018 17:16:26 GMT
It depends on the slasher. Wes Craven made the excellent 'Scream' and the supernatural slasher 'A Nightmare On Elm Street' (1984). He filmed a documentary in The White House when Bill Clinton was in office and was reported to have voted for Barack Obama. He was often castigated by the conservative press and called a vile, reprehensible, subversive communist back in the 1970s.
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Post by politicidal on Jun 2, 2018 17:21:30 GMT
He was often castigated by the conservative press and called a vile, reprehensible, subversive communist back in the 1970s. Huh, hadn't heard of that before. |
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Post by petrolino on Jun 2, 2018 17:25:18 GMT
Pre-marital sex and/or drugs will result in a horrible, GIF worthy death. Just look happened to Crispin Glover in Friday the 13th Part IV. Even Ginger and Matt in the Terminator were soon wasted after fucking to some tunes. The cliche does appear in some '80s slashers but that's true of many different cliches. Many staunch moral conservatives despised slashers in the 1980s, calling upon chain stores and the MPAA to destroy them and their "depraved makers". I think all slasher movies would need to be analysed on a case by case basis to determine any overt political viewpoint (they were often just made to thrill viewers and sell tickets).
"Asawin Suebsaeng, in his article “Here’s Why Your Favorite Horror Movies Are So Left-Wing,” posits the “b**bs-and-blood-filled” slasher film as the only conservative sub-genre of horror movies. “These largely apolitical movies — packed with exploitative carnage and sex — nonetheless have a common theme that Moral Majority types can get behind: If you’re a kid who has premarital sex, does drugs, binge-drinks, and parties like a fool, you will be severely punished,” Suebsaeng writes.
As with most such efforts to justify ones fanboyism by finding political meaning in popular art, Suebsaeng’s argument is a self-contradictory muddle. The standard post-motive slasher film (not including precursors like Psycho and The Texas Chainsaw Massacre, neither of which is a fully codified slasher picture) was invented by John Carpenter with 1978’s Halloween. As Suebsaeng (correctly) points out, Carpenter is a nominal liberal whose movies are replete with anti-authoritarian themes. Yet he invented the by-turns leering and puritanical language of the slasher film, including the damnation-causing flashes of sexiness. (You’ll always be Number One in this writer’s world, P. J. Soles.)
The question of whether horror is a conservative or liberal genre is an old one. Stephen King’s non-fiction study Danse Macabre includes a long and fascinating consideration of whether the genre is essentially Dionysian (in the sense that it’s about upsetting the natural order) or Apollonian (in the sense that it posits, and nearly always invites the audience to root for, a normal world that must be preserved against an unnatural threat). The King of Horror himself, of course, is a political lefty who calls Maine governor Paul LePage a “stonebrain,” but his work is shot through with hard-headed pragmatism and traditional morality that, if viewed from a certain angle (i.e., directly), seem clearly conservative. Few horror creators (Clive Barker being an occasional exception) ask us to root for the devil.
Nonetheless, Suebsaeng is to be praised for singling out George A. Romero’s 2005 Land of the Dead as a great movie about class struggle — though here too I think he misses the movie’s real significance: Land of the Dead is the best statement Hollywood has made about the 21st-century real estate bubble, and it came out a year before the correction began. All zombie films are about real estate at some level, but if you see this overlooked gem — which includes some grimly beautiful images that also got overlooked because the movie isn’t one to linger artily — you’ll see that it’s more directly so than most. The conservative film critic Michael Medved declared Land of the Dead “Not just a flesh-eating zombie film but the Citizen Kane of flesh-eating zombie films.” (Speaking of overlooking, why hasn’t our do-nothing Congress declared a national day of respect for Romero? As Jonah Goldberg notes today, American culture in 2014 is zombie everything, and Romero created the genre. But have they ever given him a lifetime achievement Oscar?)"
- Tim Cavanaugh, National Review
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Jun 2, 2018 18:33:29 GMT
It depends on the slasher. Wes Craven made the excellent 'Scream' and the supernatural slasher 'A Nightmare On Elm Street' (1984). He filmed a documentary in The White House when Bill Clinton was in office and was reported to have voted for Barack Obama. He was often castigated by the conservative press and called a vile, reprehensible, subversive communist back in the 1970s. John Carpenter was/is a huge lefty too, and it was Halloween that kicked off the 80s slasher craze. I think it was incidental that the most innocent girl was the one to survive that film, and 80s movies just copied it because it worked. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2018 19:36:15 GMT
Well, conservatism IS a hateful anti-people political philosophy that is dedicated to making the rich richer while tightly controlling the behavior of individuals, esp. of women and minorities and esp. in people's sex and love lives, e.g. denying birth control for women in healthcare plans but paying for men's ED medicine. My feeling is: if pregnancy is god's will, so is a limp dick. Conclusion: yeah, slashers are very conservative. I used to think that, too. Now I think liberals are hateful. I think it might have something to do with their violently attacking people. |
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Post by Anonymous Andy on Jun 2, 2018 20:06:29 GMT
Pre-marital sex and/or drugs will result in a horrible, GIF worthy death. Just look happened to Crispin Glover in Friday the 13th Part IV. Even Ginger and Matt in the Terminator were soon wasted after fucking to some tunes. The cliche does appear in some '80s slashers but that's true of many different cliches. Many staunch moral conservatives despised slashers in the 1980s, calling upon chain stores and the MPAA to destroy them and their "depraved makers". I think all slasher movies would need to be analysed on a case by case basis to determine any overt political viewpoint (they were often just made to thrill viewers and sell tickets).
"Asawin Suebsaeng, in his article “Here’s Why Your Favorite Horror Movies Are So Left-Wing,” posits the “b**bs-and-blood-filled” slasher film as the only conservative sub-genre of horror movies. “These largely apolitical movies — packed with exploitative carnage and sex — nonetheless have a common theme that Moral Majority types can get behind: If you’re a kid who has premarital sex, does drugs, binge-drinks, and parties like a fool, you will be severely punished,” Suebsaeng writes.
As with most such efforts to justify ones fanboyism by finding political meaning in popular art, Suebsaeng’s argument is a self-contradictory muddle. The standard post-motive slasher film (not including precursors like Psycho and The Texas Chainsaw Massacre, neither of which is a fully codified slasher picture) was invented by John Carpenter with 1978’s Halloween. As Suebsaeng (correctly) points out, Carpenter is a nominal liberal whose movies are replete with anti-authoritarian themes. Yet he invented the by-turns leering and puritanical language of the slasher film, including the damnation-causing flashes of sexiness. (You’ll always be Number One in this writer’s world, P. J. Soles.)
The question of whether horror is a conservative or liberal genre is an old one. Stephen King’s non-fiction study Danse Macabre includes a long and fascinating consideration of whether the genre is essentially Dionysian (in the sense that it’s about upsetting the natural order) or Apollonian (in the sense that it posits, and nearly always invites the audience to root for, a normal world that must be preserved against an unnatural threat). The King of Horror himself, of course, is a political lefty who calls Maine governor Paul LePage a “stonebrain,” but his work is shot through with hard-headed pragmatism and traditional morality that, if viewed from a certain angle (i.e., directly), seem clearly conservative. Few horror creators (Clive Barker being an occasional exception) ask us to root for the devil.
Nonetheless, Suebsaeng is to be praised for singling out George A. Romero’s 2005 Land of the Dead as a great movie about class struggle — though here too I think he misses the movie’s real significance: Land of the Dead is the best statement Hollywood has made about the 21st-century real estate bubble, and it came out a year before the correction began. All zombie films are about real estate at some level, but if you see this overlooked gem — which includes some grimly beautiful images that also got overlooked because the movie isn’t one to linger artily — you’ll see that it’s more directly so than most. The conservative film critic Michael Medved declared Land of the Dead “Not just a flesh-eating zombie film but the Citizen Kane of flesh-eating zombie films.” (Speaking of overlooking, why hasn’t our do-nothing Congress declared a national day of respect for Romero? As Jonah Goldberg notes today, American culture in 2014 is zombie everything, and Romero created the genre. But have they ever given him a lifetime achievement Oscar?)"
- Tim Cavanaugh, National Review
Wow, and I thought *I* liked Land of the Dead more than most. |
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Post by mikef6 on Jun 2, 2018 20:29:28 GMT
Well, conservatism IS a hateful anti-people political philosophy that is dedicated to making the rich richer while tightly controlling the behavior of individuals, esp. of women and minorities and esp. in people's sex and love lives, e.g. denying birth control for women in healthcare plans but paying for men's ED medicine. My feeling is: if pregnancy is god's will, so is a limp dick. Conclusion: yeah, slashers are very conservative. I used to think that, too. Now I think liberals are hateful. I think it might have something to do with their violently attacking people. You need to check out my thread on the Religion board titled "Some seriously delusional people out there." It is about you. |
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Post by Popeye Doyle on Jun 2, 2018 20:31:20 GMT
I used to think that, too. Now I think liberals are hateful. I think it might have something to do with their violently attacking people. You need to check out my thread on the Religion board titled "Some seriously delusional people out there." It is about you.  |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2018 20:37:32 GMT
I used to think that, too. Now I think liberals are hateful. I think it might have something to do with their violently attacking people. You need to check out my thread on the Religion board titled "Some seriously delusional people out there." It is about you. Anyone who believes liberals are NOT today the violent, hateful, intolerant ideology in American is wrong.
I have seen video after video of liberals bloodying people who supported Trump.
How many riots have liberals committed in the last decade? LOTS.
How many have conservatives committed? ZERO.
People who think liberals are still all about tolerance are the delusional ones.
And, on top of all that, liberals SHOUT DOWN free speech. I've never seen conservatives do that to a liberal speaker. Liberals did that to every single conservative speaker at my university.
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Post by Popeye Doyle on Jun 2, 2018 20:48:13 GMT
You need to check out my thread on the Religion board titled "Some seriously delusional people out there." It is about you. Anyone who believes liberals are NOT today the violent, hateful, intolerant ideology in American is wrong.
I have seen video after video of liberals bloodying people who supported Trump.
How many riots have liberals committed in the last decade? LOTS.
How many have conservatives committed? ZERO.
People who think liberals are still all about tolerance are the delusional ones.
And, on top of all that, liberals SHOUT DOWN free speech. I've never seen conservatives do that to a liberal speaker. Liberals did that to every single conservative speaker at my university.
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Post by Sir_Farty_Fartsalot on Jun 2, 2018 21:14:42 GMT
You need to check out my thread on the Religion board titled "Some seriously delusional people out there." It is about you. Anyone who believes liberals are NOT today the violent, hateful, intolerant ideology in American is wrong.
I have seen video after video of liberals bloodying people who supported Trump.
How many riots have liberals committed in the last decade? LOTS.
How many have conservatives committed? ZERO.
People who think liberals are still all about tolerance are the delusional ones.
And, on top of all that, liberals SHOUT DOWN free speech. I've never seen conservatives do that to a liberal speaker. Liberals did that to every single conservative speaker at my university.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2018 21:17:19 GMT
I always liked 80s slasher flicks long before that "Scream" garbage parodied them, but I've wondered since one of the supposed cliches' is "You die if you have sex" does that mean the greatest slasher flicks had a conservative political message? I'd argue that most hollywood movies are politically conservative, period. |
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Post by Sir_Farty_Fartsalot on Jun 2, 2018 21:20:31 GMT
I always liked 80s slasher flicks long before that "Scream" garbage parodied them, but I've wondered since one of the supposed cliches' is "You die if you have sex" does that mean the greatest slasher flicks had a conservative political message? I'd argue that most hollywood movies are politically conservative, period. Not even close. |
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Post by mslo79 on Jun 2, 2018 21:21:21 GMT
mikef6It's funny how liberals call us 'hateful' when they are pretty much anti-God (who is goodness itself) and support gravely immoral things like abortion etc etc. someone who can't even get a basic life issue like abortion right, will simply be backwards in many other areas because they put a persons "choice" higher than a persons right-to-life when, obviously, it should be the other way around. they basically have to sugar coat a bad thing by labeling it pro-choice instead of what it really is, which is a life issue. someone who don't get that basic point will be blind in many other moral areas... hence, they support euthanasia/gay agenda etc. what's next, pedophiles? ; that pedophile comment might sound laughable now but they don't seem to have a end in sight for lowering morality as it slowly declines little-by-little with them as time passes (just look at the general moral decline of society in the past 100 years (hell, even 20-50 years or so)). so where does it end(?). also, you say conservatism is 'hateful' etc but surely if it was truly that bad why do many Christians, who are trying to follow God, who is goodness itself, tend to think otherwise. You can't see the difference here? one artificially blocks creation of life (which turns sex from it's natural purpose, which is to create life, and twists it into a self gratification thing etc) while the other helps to give a person a chance to restore it. one is always bad(artificial birth control), even though it might not seem like it, and the other is not bad(fixing ED). That's sorta expecting God to do everything. He wants us to make the right decision so we have to do our part by choosing to do the right thing even when we might not always like it etc. it's basically a test... will we choose sin etc or choose to do what's right? ; by us choosing to do what He wants, it's a act of love on our part toward Him. basically many people just don't want any self-restraint when it comes to sex is the problem as they just want to be able to do whatever they want whenever they want. o well, people are going to be people it seems but it's not surprising since the sexual function is our most powerful urge and will be hardest to resist. but those who don't show any(or little) resistance to it, pretty much end up being a slave to it. @jamesavalon Exactly (NOTE: I am not saying all of them are hateful as the common liberal on the street is probably okay-ish (at least not a hateful person(this has to be obvious because if that were the case then at least half of the general public would be hateful/evil people and that's obviously not the case)) but those who got more power tend to be the more corrupt ones etc since they do have influence(negative) on society as they can push bad things and try to make them look good etc). it's pretty obvious liberals are the backwards ones given all of the immoral things they support (like I always say, they are generally the ones opposed to God (since as a general guideline... atheist/liberal vs believer/conservative (I know that's not always the case but as a general guideline I think that's correct)) and when your opposed to God good things can't come from that in the long term). but it's funny how they always turn it around to make conservatives, who's political views are more inline with God, look like the "evil" ones. NOTE: I am not saying anyone is perfect, as I am sure both sides have their flaws(I imagine at times knowing what to do(as in doing what's right) is not always easy or clear cut etc), but at least get some of the basics right. they are the ones who went off-the-rails as time passed and that don't seem to be ending anytime soon. hell, it's like the more they (liberals/media) hate Trump, you can almost assume the more good he's doing. when they become silent(or offer praise) is when you got a problem. lol but I suspect things tend to boil down to this for many people... so you can easily apply that to many of the world who hate the church's teaching in moral areas like... abortion/euthanasia/gay agenda/birth control etc. they call it 'hateful' when they are the ones who oppose objective moral truth, especially in certain areas like I mentioned. some people just don't like any restraint whatsoever and they want to do whatever they want to do based on their personal 'feelings' about whether something is right or wrong but it does not always work that way simply because after the fall of Adam/Eve, humanity no longer see's things as they truly are. basically we are inclined toward sin since they fell. so some stuff that seems appealing is not always good etc. that's where the Catholic church comes into play to correct those things since it's the church Jesus Christ started and the one He guides.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2018 21:21:28 GMT
I'd argue that most hollywood movies are politically conservative, period. Not even close. Then on that we disagree. |
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Post by Terrapin Station on Jun 2, 2018 21:22:18 GMT
I don't think that many, if any, slasher flicks were saying anything like "You die if you have sex."
Instead, teens and college students were the main demographic for the films, so the context for the horror unfolding onscreen was people who were the age of the target demographic having a good time. The horror aspects were the yang to the yin of that partying. Horror is underscored by the contrast--"Just when everything seems to be going great and everyone is having a good time--BAM! The worst thing that could happen unfolds."
In the vast majority of cases, a political or ideological reading is someone trying to force that interpretation onto things because it's what they're interested in. The filmmakers were just trying to make a couple bucks by making films that appealed to a target demographic.
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Post by Primemovermithrax Pejorative on Jun 2, 2018 21:23:13 GMT
The typical slasher film has the message of the male protector character being bad or unable to protect a woman (the media always emphasis the independent female lead--but that is the Liberal interpretation--the flip side is the upside down biology--fact is, on average, if you have a male killer running around, the woman is more likely to end up a victim than a heroine--it isn't sexism, just physics of biology).
There are giallo films (the Italian prototype for the slasher film) where young women encounter a killer, but more often than not, a male shows up to save the day in some capacity.
If the woman does solve the crime, she has help from male characters.
BTW the liberal agenda of Scream created one massive plot hole.
They did not want Sydney's father to help her--so instead of her doing the logical thing and untying him, (or having him unconscious) they have her drag him while he is tied up to the closet so he can conveniently fall out and look helpless on cue).
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