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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2017 23:33:28 GMT
I guess this is where people's tastes come in. The acting from the new characters in TFA is probably the most animated besides the OT. But that doesn't make better. Or just as good as OT acting. It's bad animated acting. Only Adam Driver and Max Von Sedow gave good acting. Elsewhere we got stuff like: I agree it's a matter of taste. I had no problem with any of the lines you quoted, or the acting of anybody in the movie. Indeed, I thought Daisy Ridley was pretty good in the role. She's got the charisma needed, for sure. I think it could be fixed quite easily. Here's what you do : You treat Rey pretty much as they did, but with a couple of minor tweaks. For example, snip the bit where she tells Han how to fix the Millennium Falcon, because nobody knows the Falcon like Han does. And I like that the black guy kept trying to save her, only to have her not need his help - but counterpoint it with having him actually save her at some point, and have her say "Okay... I did need you that time." Just small moments of imperfection and vulnerability to show that whilst she may be a tough independent girl, she's not perfect. But the biggest Mary Sue complaint is that she was suddenly Jedi enough to defeat whatsisname, Emo Boy, who was a trained force user. And the way you fix that is to lampshade it and use it. So have the fight play out exactly as it did... but when she turns it around and gets the upper hand, Emo Boy is obviously shocked. Like he can't believe it's happening! Then you have that chasm collapse that leaves her on the other side, separated from him, and he calls out to her and says "How did you do that! You've had no training, no experience! You shouldn't be able to do that! Who are you? WHAT are you?" For for a long moment, she looks uncertain, and perhaps even a bit afraid. She has no answer; she turns and runs. What does that do? It creates a mystery. It intrigues the audience. Everyone would walk away saying "Holy crap, what is Rey that she can beat a Jedi flat out? Is she some sort of super Jedi? I can't wait to find out!" Suddenly what was a weakness is now a strength. Like I say, from a writing point of view it's a simple issue to solve. Which is the thing that annoys me about JJ - almost all of his plot issues are very simple things that could be easily avoided, or even turned into strengths. But he just doesn't care that much about that stuff.
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Post by Larcen26 on Jun 23, 2017 19:52:46 GMT
The Phantom Menace has Qui Gonn and as useless as it is, the Podrace is a great sequence.
Attack of the Clones has Yoda vs. Dooku and the massive Jedi fight... but the rest is saddled with the terribly scripted love story which puts it on the bottom for me.
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Post by hi224 on Jun 24, 2017 4:15:31 GMT
Interesting Phantom Menace still had an awesome antagonist as well.
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Jun 24, 2017 8:10:59 GMT
Attack of the Clones has Yoda vs. Dooku and the massive Jedi fight... but the rest is saddled with the terribly scripted love story which puts it on the bottom for me. well, Clones also has that awesome detective spree/mystery story of Obi Wan discovering the two sleeping armies (clones/droid armies) as well as Anakin falling to the dark side and massacring an entire village. The love story was just a few scenes. The Farce awakens however, was one giant, terribly scripted, love letter to the Original Trilogy. Worst of all, it was not even an original one, but just rehashing plagiarism...
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Post by gromel on Jun 24, 2017 15:09:24 GMT
Force Awakens. Made the previous movies goddamn pointless since :
- everything the heroes achieved was undone or might as well not matter, - in a ridiculously short amount of time, - with the heroes acting out of character, - just to retread the old story beats, - not even with good new characters, - all for stupid, unconvincing, barely explained reasons (bloody hell this film would fail screenwriting class, and it doesn't even work given established movie-only lore; anyone remember force ghosts?).
I don't care that there are two more movies they can do damage control with, because it's irreparable. The whole direction they went in was boneheaded. It shit the bed. It put me off the whole franchise since it's doomed, and the current era is harder to ignore than the prequels since we'll see no end of it thanks to Disney. And we're all complicit for watching it.
I so bitterly regret watching it, and not Fury Road, in theaters.
Now the prequels, I recognize they're not very good except visually and as regarding the Expanded lore it opened up, but the TFA era is a creative dead end. I'll take bumbling Lucas who had new ideas he couldn't communicate well over cynical nostalgia bait money-grubbing.
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Post by pete8680 on Jun 24, 2017 16:03:24 GMT
TFA.
I'd rather get new garbage like AOTC then a poor copy like TFA.
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Post by Surly on Jul 5, 2017 21:51:56 GMT
I guess this is where people's tastes come in. The acting from the new characters in TFA is probably the most animated besides the OT. But that doesn't make better. Or just as good as OT acting. It's bad animated acting. Only Adam Driver and Max Von Sedow gave good acting. Elsewhere we got stuff like: I agree it's a matter of taste. I had no problem with any of the lines you quoted, or the acting of anybody in the movie. Indeed, I thought Daisy Ridley was pretty good in the role. She's got the charisma needed, for sure. I think it could be fixed quite easily. Here's what you do : You treat Rey pretty much as they did, but with a couple of minor tweaks. For example, snip the bit where she tells Han how to fix the Millennium Falcon, because nobody knows the Falcon like Han does. And I like that the black guy kept trying to save her, only to have her not need his help - but counterpoint it with having him actually save her at some point, and have her say "Okay... I did need you that time." Just small moments of imperfection and vulnerability to show that whilst she may be a tough independent girl, she's not perfect. But the biggest Mary Sue complaint is that she was suddenly Jedi enough to defeat whatsisname, Emo Boy, who was a trained force user. And the way you fix that is to lampshade it and use it.
So have the fight play out exactly as it did... but when she turns it around and gets the upper hand, Emo Boy is obviously shocked. Like he can't believe it's happening! Then you have that chasm collapse that leaves her on the other side, separated from him, and he calls out to her and says "How did you do that! You've had no training, no experience! You shouldn't be able to do that! Who are you? WHAT are you?" For for a long moment, she looks uncertain, and perhaps even a bit afraid. She has no answer; she turns and runs. What does that do? It creates a mystery. It intrigues the audience. Everyone would walk away saying "Holy crap, what is Rey that she can beat a Jedi flat out? Is she some sort of super Jedi? I can't wait to find out!" Suddenly what was a weakness is now a strength. Like I say, from a writing point of view it's a simple issue to solve. Which is the thing that annoys me about JJ - almost all of his plot issues are very simple things that could be easily avoided, or even turned into strengths. But he just doesn't care that much about that stuff.Except all of that defeats the purpose that they did it in the first place. She is supposed to be a Disney warrior princess. She is supposed to be magically, whimsically imbued just like all the others that have come before her in other Disney movies. To give that battle any appearance of being evenly matched, especially after her Force power up underscores the purpose of her being a Disney princess in the first place. This movie was just ANH remade around another Disney warrior princess. And Rey checked all the boxes that make up every Disney princess of the last 25 years. She is/has: - has meager beginnings - overwhelmed by the responsibilities she inherited - dreams of something better - her dreams buck against society - is impeccably virtuous - everyone else sees what's special in her - the only one who doesn't see her specialness - enemies who respect her/see her as a threat even when she hasn't done anything to create that impression - enemies who are ultimately just sounding boards for her awesomeness - inept male friends who only find achievements by her inspiration - paramours or crushers who fail to equal her powers and virtue - the magic choose her just because it likes her - simply has to believe in herself and her magic to effortlessly achieve victory and her goals - even accidentally achieves success against the greatest of enemies and obstacles - goes on a journey of destiny rather than a journey of trial and error - takes a path of self discovery rather than one of personal growth That movie was never made with the kind of agenda you suggest. And honestly much more of it would have to be rewritten to remove those type of issues from it than the few scenes you mentioned.
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Post by barkingbaphomet on Jul 5, 2017 23:29:33 GMT
Interesting Phantom Menace still had an awesome antagonist as well. who?
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Post by hi224 on Jul 6, 2017 1:05:46 GMT
Interesting Phantom Menace still had an awesome antagonist as well. who? I loved maul so yeah.
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Post by tresix on Jul 22, 2017 19:38:55 GMT
There are only two movie series in which I liked all of the movies in the series: "Rocky" and "Star Wars". That being said, the "weak" link for me was "Attack of the Clones". It didn't seem as much fun as the others. Even with the serious stuff.
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Post by blockbusted on Jul 22, 2017 23:41:44 GMT
Easily 'The Phantom Menace'.
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Post by geode on Aug 2, 2017 7:43:24 GMT
The Return of the Jedi
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Post by mysterioman007 on Aug 2, 2017 19:23:57 GMT
The Phantom Menace for me...while it still has its charm, I don't find it particularly all the great. Too much political garbage and Jar Jar...
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Post by darkreviewer2013 on Aug 20, 2017 21:29:07 GMT
The Phantom Menace was painfully dull. Even Liam Neeson couldn't save it from being an outright slog. It's the least entertaining of the seven main Star Wars movies.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2017 23:57:53 GMT
So it seems there are 60 idiots on here, and 26 true Star Wars fans.
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Post by politicidal on Oct 9, 2017 16:30:31 GMT
The 2008 animated one.
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Post by Vits on Oct 19, 2017 20:24:00 GMT
THE PHANTOM MENACE, because the plot structure is all wrong. Eeven back in 1977, viewers had seen enough movies to know the basic rules. Even if one hadn't read anything about A NEW HOPE, they would've known that the young man that's unsatisfied with his everyday life and that has dreams of something bigger was going to be the hero, instead of the 2 characters who escape from the bad guys with something important. Also, I doubt that back then a bumbling robot and a mute robot would've been given protagonism over a human, specially a young and handsome blonde. Anyway, by the time they meet, they already have had their introductions. This movie starts by introducing the hero (QUI-GON). After about 40 minutes, he meets a supporting character (ANAKIN) and the movie shifts its focus completely on him for a great portion of the movie. This is a prequel, so the audience knows what his relevance to the overall story will be, but he's not relevant to the conflict of this installment. I wanted to be fair and see JAR JAR through the eyes of a person that doesn't find him unfunny and annoying (people like that do exist) and I discovered that the problem goes beyond that. To be honest, I don't find C-3PO to be that funny either, but he had his funny moments and inmediately left the screen. That's how a comic relief should be. Everytime JAR JAR has a funny moment, it feels like he's intruding. If he wasn't a CGI creation, I would've said that the actor was trying too hard to steal the show but, in this case, George Lucas's writing and directing cause it. Pay attention to the scene of the meal at the SKYWALKERS' house. Even when JAR JAR doesn't say anything, his body language draws attention (during a serious conversation between the other characters). Jake Lloyd's performance is bad, but not as bad as Natalie Portman's, Pernilla August's and Keira Knightley's (they sound more robotic than the droids!). The 1st fight between QUI GON and DARTH MAUL is horrible. Because of the camera work, it's hard to tell what's happening. Their 2nd fight is a lot better, thanks partly to DUEL OF THE FATES (the saga's best piece of music). QUI GON is killed in a shocking and tragic way. Then, OBI-WAN defeats MAUL. At first, I couldn't believe the apprentice could defeat the adversary that the master couldn't defeat but, after a minute, it made sense. You see, OBI-WAN was angry and wanted revenge. Warriors become more powerful when they get closer to the Dark Side. No, that doesn't excuse the bad choreography (MAUL could've easily dodged the saber).
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2017 20:31:06 GMT
Attack of the Clones BY FAR
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Post by ant-mac on Nov 28, 2017 23:57:02 GMT
I can only choose one? Okay... THE PHANTOM ATTACK OF THE SITH.
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Post by Ban on Dec 15, 2017 0:14:14 GMT
TFA
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