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Post by thisguy4000 on Jun 4, 2018 18:38:09 GMT
Since I’ve still seen a fair amount of people who are hoping for Deadpool to be integrated into the MCU, I figured I’d ask this question. By all accounts, the current Deadpool movies don’t mesh with the MCU at all. Just to give an example, mutants are already public knowledge in the DP movies. If they decided to incorporate these movies into the MCU, it would only to serve to make convulute the timeline of the MCU in regards to exactly how long the world has known about the existence of mutants.
Honestly, I really think they’d be better off just letting the Deadpool movies exist as their own separate thing that’s independent of any established universe. Forcing them into an already existing universe just seems like it would unnecessarily complicate things.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Jun 4, 2018 18:45:12 GMT
It wouldn't.
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Jun 4, 2018 18:47:43 GMT
Have a throwaway meta line about how he's in the MCU now and move on.
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Post by Power Ranger on Jun 4, 2018 18:55:54 GMT
His bisexuality wouldn’t be discussed and if you even hypothesised it you would be labelled a homophobe.
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Post by NormanClature on Jun 4, 2018 20:11:21 GMT
Judging by the latest movie, the MCU will probably improve it.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2018 20:12:04 GMT
Agreed. Keep the series seperate. hee hee hee
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Post by Agent of Chaos on Jun 10, 2018 3:00:54 GMT
Have a throwaway meta line about how he's in the MCU now and move on. And that would change nothing as it’s a massive plot hole and ruins the MCU’s vision as whole. Turning into a convoluted mess where things like Tony’s post-Avenger arc became an epic joke. SHEILD’s actions in phase 1 make no sense. Knowlegding bad film making isn’t stop it from being bad film making. Using a meta line to excuse to poor acting, FX, story, characterization isn’t going to fly. It’s just the film makers admitting they were lazy and would make the criticism harsher. Why do you think Deadpool 2 changed Cable origin? Because it was far too convoluted and dumb according to the writers. So even Deadpool has its limits of stupidity.
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Jun 10, 2018 3:28:36 GMT
Have a throwaway meta line about how he's in the MCU now and move on. And that would change nothing as it’s a massive plot hole and ruins the MCU’s vision as whole. Knowlegding bad film making doesn’t stop it from being bad film making. Using a meta line to excuse to poor acting, FX, story, characterization isn’t going to fly. Tell that to either Deadpool movie? I seem to recall them both ignoring X-Men Origins: Wolverine beyond said meta lines, and zero people giving a damn. Because people understand he's a self-parody that knows he's a fictional character. Well, not the people in this thread apparently, but most people.
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Post by Agent of Chaos on Jun 10, 2018 3:36:14 GMT
And that would change nothing as it’s a massive plot hole and ruins the MCU’s vision as whole. Knowlegding bad film making doesn’t stop it from being bad film making. Using a meta line to excuse to poor acting, FX, story, characterization isn’t going to fly. Tell that to either Deadpool movie? I seem to recall them both ignoring X-Men Origins: Wolverine beyond said meta lines, and zero people giving a damn. Because people understand he's a self-parody that knows he's a fictional character. Well, not the people in this thread apparently, but most people. I edited my post to go more in-depth with my point. You have no idea what you are talking about.😂 It seems like you haven’t seen DOFP or Deadpool 2.
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Post by Agent of Chaos on Jun 10, 2018 3:41:32 GMT
And that would change nothing as it’s a massive plot hole and ruins the MCU’s vision as whole. Knowlegding bad film making doesn’t stop it from being bad film making. Using a meta line to excuse to poor acting, FX, story, characterization isn’t going to fly. Tell that to either Deadpool movie? I seem to recall them both ignoring X-Men Origins: Wolverine beyond said meta lines, and zero people giving a damn. Because people understand he's a self-parody that knows he's a fictional character. Well, not the people in this thread apparently, but most people. You must have not seen Deadpool traveling back in time to the third arc of Origins. Seriously, that’s the worse argument you can use right now.
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Post by Agent of Chaos on Jun 10, 2018 3:44:20 GMT
And that would change nothing as it’s a massive plot hole and ruins the MCU’s vision as whole. Knowlegding bad film making doesn’t stop it from being bad film making. Using a meta line to excuse to poor acting, FX, story, characterization isn’t going to fly. Tell that to either Deadpool movie? I seem to recall them both ignoring X-Men Origins: Wolverine beyond said meta lines, and zero people giving a damn. Because people understand he's a self-parody that knows he's a fictional character. Well, not the people in this thread apparently, but most people. And DOFP changed the timeline remember? That’s why Wade in the first Deadpool movie is different.
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Jun 10, 2018 4:09:26 GMT
Tell that to either Deadpool movie? I seem to recall them both ignoring X-Men Origins: Wolverine beyond said meta lines, and zero people giving a damn. Because people understand he's a self-parody that knows he's a fictional character. Well, not the people in this thread apparently, but most people. And DOFP changed the timeline remember? That’s why Wade in the first Deadpool movie is different. Are you done replying to my post yet, or do you have three more variations of "time altering explains everything!" arguments? In spite of using a condescending laugh emoji, I'm not sure you understand what a joke is. First of all, at the end of Deadpool 2, he travels back in time to kill HIMSELF...do you see the problem here? Likewise, how does DOTP changing the timeline explain why Wade Wilson goes from the 1970s in X-Men Origins to present day in the Deadpool movies? Not only should he be retirement age, but he shouldn't be there at all having shot his past self. Origins doesn't exist as anything in the Deadpool movies but a meta punchline.
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Post by Agent of Chaos on Jun 10, 2018 5:07:14 GMT
In spite of using a condescending laugh emoji, I'm not sure you understand what a joke is. First of all, at the end of Deadpool 2, he travels back in time to kill HIMSELF...do you see the problem here? There is no problem considering Origins Deadpool was going to die at the end of that battle anyway by Wolverine chopping his head off. Remember? And it doesn't matter because DOFP will erase that entire moment and revive Wade. Just like how DOFP revived Jean and Scott who were killed in X3. They never stated in the Deadpool films when they take place. But Deadpool 2 is shown near the prequel films with the X-Men cameo. If you’re going to use modern technology as an argument that means nothing. Because all the prequel films have advance technology like giant robots in the 1970s and childern having robotic limbs in that era. The X-Men world isn’t our world. But if that were true the X-Men films themselves have done that sort of thing. The film makers even explained this years ago. That’s just pure headcanon and one that has been debunked. Because DOFP and Logan acknowledged the events of Origins. Shooting that notion down hard. Unless you want to argue that the Deadpool films are not apart of the same canon as those films, which the film makers have shot down several times(including Ryan Reynolds) and indicated that X-Force is a crossover movie.
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Post by Agent of Chaos on Jun 10, 2018 6:50:39 GMT
moviebuffbrad I don’t care that this is a double post. Let’s pretend that the X-franchise was indeed completely ignoring Origins. So what? Origins has poor reception.You think Marvel Studios ignoring Iron Man, Thor, Avengers, and Civil War wouldn’t bother fans? All established them that people with superpowers and aliens were unknown before Tony Stark revealed to the world that he was Iron Man.
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Jun 10, 2018 7:34:54 GMT
moviebuffbradI don’t care that this is a double post. Let’s pretend that the X-franchise was indeed completely ignoring Origins. So what? Origins has poorly reception.You think Marvel Studios ignoring Iron Man, Avengers, and Civil War wouldn’t bother fans? All established them that people with superpowers were almost non-existent before Tony Stark revealed to the world that he was Iron Man? Did the universe cave in on itself when Deadpool called Cable "Thanos"? Which reminds me, in the 4th wall breaking world of Deadpool, the MCU already exists. Deadpool would just be crossing over into it. You don't need some new backstory and new established X history or whatever to explain why a self-parodying gag character is walking around making Robert Downey Jr jokes. Jean and Scott were revived where they had previously died. They didn't show up in a completely different decade. Uh, how about modern day references? Are you saying the X universe has a Justin Bieber in the 80s? Just stop. "Origins doesn't exist as anything in the Deadpool movies but a meta punchline". Sigh.
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Post by Agent of Chaos on Jun 10, 2018 8:37:01 GMT
Did the universe cave in on itself when Deadpool called Cable "Thanos"? Which reminds me, in the 4th wall breaking world of Deadpool, the MCU already exists. Deadpool would just be crossing over into it. You don't need some new backstory and new established X history or whatever to explain why a self-parodying gag character is walking around making Robert Downey Jr jokes. It seems that you misunderstand the nature of Deadpool. Sure Deadpool makes 4th wall breaking comments, but he only comments. He doesn’t alter the fictional world around him like other certain 4th wall breaking characters like Bugs Bunny, who has the cartoonist change the landscape for him. He’s like the title character from Malcom In The Middle who also breaks the fourth wall but outside him talking to the audience the show follows logical sense. Deadpool in the comics just doesn’t do whatever he wants like a Looney Tunes character. Example: there is a major Deadpool storyline called the Killogy where Deadpool travels the multiverse through the use of interdimensional portals he founds. He doesn’t just pop up in other verses without any explanation despite his 4th wall breaking. He is still bound to the rules of the Marvel Universe. So yes, you need to have an explanation to why he is in the MCU like in the Killogy. Especially after Deadpool 2 showed that he needed a time travelling device to go back in time instead of just time hopping without explanation. I don’t mind him showing up in the MCU via multiverse travel like in Killogy. But just showing up out of nowhere? Not even his comics are stupid enough to do that. They even provide an in-universe reason for his 4th wall breaking as being a result of what Weapon X did to him, iirc. Deadpool doesn’t live in a 4th wall breaking world, he’s 4th wall breaker living in the Marvel/X-Men world. And like I said before that doesn’t matter since the X-Men films do that with characters themselves. Considering the X-Men show Legion does the same exact thing by making references to songs from the 21st century despite being stated in the show to be in the 1970s, I don’t see why you think this is a good counter argument when Fox has shown that they give very little fucks about real world time. Seriously, these two points you bring up have happened in other X-properties. It’s not unique to Deadpool. Which again, unless Deadpool is in a different canon that argument doesn’t hold water.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Jun 10, 2018 15:11:01 GMT
The problem with putting Deadpool in the MCU, and using a 4th wall break to justify it is that it kind of goes against the point of the MCU. The MCU is supposed to be a series of tightly connected films that all follow a set of rules. The Deadpool movies aren’t like that. They’re irreverent, meta and don’t follow any particular sets of rules, especially not with the mid credits sequence in Deadpool 2. If you decide to retroactively fit these films into the MCU, you’re going to restrict them to the rules of that universe, which will either limit what you can do going forward, or will fly in the face of what these films have been establishing for the past decade.
Honestly, I prefer to think of the Deadpool movies as their own little things. There’s no reason to force them into a setting that’s heavily reliant on continuity.
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Post by Agent of Chaos on Jun 11, 2018 14:30:33 GMT
The problem with putting Deadpool in the MCU, and using a 4th wall break to justify it is that it kind of goes against the point of the MCU. The MCU is supposed to be a series of tightly connected films that all follow a set of rules. The Deadpool movies aren’t like that. They’re irreverent, meta and don’t follow any particular sets of rules, especially not with the mid credits sequence in Deadpool 2. If you decide to retroactively fit these films into the MCU, you’re going to restrict them to the rules of that universe, which will either limit what you can do going forward, or will fly in the face of what these films have been establishing for the past decade. Honestly, I prefer to think of the Deadpool movies as their own little things. There’s no reason to force them into a setting that’s heavily reliant on continuity. According to moviebuffbrad’s reasoning Teen Titans Go can be apart of the DCEU because it’s a silly parody.
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Post by politicidal on Jun 11, 2018 16:16:40 GMT
A guest appearance wouldn't hurt. It doesn't have to be substantial.
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Post by sostie on Jun 12, 2018 10:36:26 GMT
As it is, I'd say say keep him separate from the MCU...at least while Reynolds is involved. I'd be quite happy if there was some sort of separate Deadpool Universe...carrying on as is, but perhaps with the occasional appearance of an MCU character, with the same or alternate casting.
If Reynolds decides to not continue with Deadpool, I can't imagine too many being able to fill his boots potraying the character as is, so then perhaps introduce him to the MCU.
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