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Post by politicidal on Jun 10, 2018 22:39:46 GMT
Disney pays me.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2018 23:15:44 GMT
I appreciate such a thought out, articulate reply- I really do. It's refreshing in comparison to what, say, Former Sam would've said... But I gotta say I disagree (mostly anyway). I do not find the Raimi series to be campy. I find Spiderman 2 to be deeper, more thematic than all MCU movies and it takes its central character far more seriously than Homecoming does. Homecoming is cheesy and weightless as hell compared to Spiderman 2. It's also Doctor Strange and Ant Man that seem corny to me because they do what Spiderman 2 and X Men never did: they delibrately run down and degrade their character with constant winking at the audience. To me the perfect balance between the two extremes (cheesy and grounded) are exemplified in the first two X Men movies, the first two Spiderman movies, Batman Begins, Iron Man, all three Cap movies and the first and third Avengers movies. By campy/corny, I'm talking about Raimi's directing style. Yes, they'll have deep stuff like his heart to heart moments with May, but the style of the movie is campy. He does all the same tricks from his Evil Dead movies. X-men never winked at the audience? The movies are full of winks. Constantly telling us how stupid the idea of X-men is? "Would you rather wear yellow spandex?" Logan was wearing dog tags with Wolverine on it, but says how stupid it is that they all have codenames? "The 3rd movie is the always the worst."? Logan had the plot revolve around an X-men comic book. When did Dr. Strange "wink at the camera"? When did Ant-man? The only things I can see being corny in Ant-man is the usage of realistic small items that can be made to look regular size when they wear small. Or the large ant/toy train.
The ones in that list that had perfect balance would be Nolan's Batman (all of them), Iron Man, the Cap movies, and the Avengers movies (all of them*). Especially 3. Because everything was perfectly balanced as it should be.
*The thing that people cry about with AoU is Ultron not being the character he is in the comics. Ultron was created by another character and took from that charcater's personality. He did the same thing in AoU, but with another character. Blame Edgar Wright for sitting on his hands and not making Ant-man. By now we would have had Hank Pym as the main person in the Ant-man suit.
Fair enough. Let's agree to disagree. I've just had this argument so many times on this board that I don't really feel like going through it again.
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Post by taylorfirst1 on Jun 11, 2018 0:31:04 GMT
They're really good!
Also, Black Widow's butt should be one of the choices.
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Post by ThatGuy on Jun 11, 2018 1:35:32 GMT
By campy/corny, I'm talking about Raimi's directing style. Yes, they'll have deep stuff like his heart to heart moments with May, but the style of the movie is campy. He does all the same tricks from his Evil Dead movies. X-men never winked at the audience? The movies are full of winks. Constantly telling us how stupid the idea of X-men is? "Would you rather wear yellow spandex?" Logan was wearing dog tags with Wolverine on it, but says how stupid it is that they all have codenames? "The 3rd movie is the always the worst."? Logan had the plot revolve around an X-men comic book. When did Dr. Strange "wink at the camera"? When did Ant-man? The only things I can see being corny in Ant-man is the usage of realistic small items that can be made to look regular size when they wear small. Or the large ant/toy train.
The ones in that list that had perfect balance would be Nolan's Batman (all of them), Iron Man, the Cap movies, and the Avengers movies (all of them*). Especially 3. Because everything was perfectly balanced as it should be.
*The thing that people cry about with AoU is Ultron not being the character he is in the comics. Ultron was created by another character and took from that character's personality. He did the same thing in AoU, but with another character. Blame Edgar Wright for sitting on his hands and not making Ant-man. By now we would have had Hank Pym as the main person in the Ant-man suit.
Fair enough. Let's agree to disagree. I've just had this argument so many times on this board that I don't really feel like going through it again. It just comes down to ignoring things in some movies, but reinforcing it in others.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2018 2:34:51 GMT
Fair enough. Let's agree to disagree. I've just had this argument so many times on this board that I don't really feel like going through it again. It just comes down to ignoring things in some movies, but reinforcing it in others. I don't think so. I mean, you stated some great examples of when the X Men movies wink at the audience and the point was well taken. But my recent thread about Asgard gets to the heart of my point. You would never see a moment like that cheapened in any other movie. Even comedies don't cheapen moments like this. Even kids movies don't cheapen moments like this! But MCU movies make a habit of it, and it's very misguided. But I do love the MCU in spite of its flaws. So really I'm just defending the original X Men and Spiderman movies as I still believe they are genre classics.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Jun 11, 2018 4:32:57 GMT
I appreciate such a thought out, articulate reply- I really do. It's refreshing in comparison to what, say, Former Sam would've said... But I gotta say I disagree (mostly anyway). I do not find the Raimi series to be campy. I find Spiderman 2 to be deeper, more thematic than all MCU movies and it takes its central character far more seriously than Homecoming does. Homecoming is cheesy and weightless as hell compared to Spiderman 2. It's also Doctor Strange and Ant Man that seem corny to me because they do what Spiderman 2 and X Men never did: they delibrately run down and degrade their character with constant winking at the audience. To me the perfect balance between the two extremes (cheesy and grounded) are exemplified in the first two X Men movies, the first two Spiderman movies, Batman Begins, Iron Man, all three Cap movies and the first and third Avengers movies. Give raimi the mcu Sam Raimi likes the MCU as it is, he's praised it on plenty occasion, and he and Kevin Feige are good friends.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2018 4:38:18 GMT
Sam Raimi likes the MCU as it is, he's praised it on plenty occasion, and he and Kevin Feige are good friends. I'd LOVE to see Raimi direct the MCU's Fantastic Four movie!
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Jun 11, 2018 5:06:57 GMT
Sam Raimi likes the MCU as it is, he's praised it on plenty occasion, and he and Kevin Feige are good friends. I'd LOVE to see Raimi direct the MCU's Fantastic Four movie! I'd be down for that.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Jun 11, 2018 16:34:02 GMT
They're fantastic. I read the comics as a kid (and still pick up a trade every now and then to get a feel for what's going on) and I never thought I'd see this day come. MCU flicks are entertaining and thought provoking if you allow them to be. The films capture the essence of what it felt like to read the comics as a kid, and that's really all any fan of the source material can ask for.
As a film fan in general, they're just solid popcorn flicks. Action, humor, tension and genuine characterization to make the experience worthwhile, usually more than once in the theater.
But mostly I keep hoping to see Kat Dennings wearing nothing but Hawkeye's helmet.
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