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Post by darksidebeadle on Jun 11, 2018 4:34:20 GMT
Pick 3
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Post by moviemouth on Jun 11, 2018 4:42:34 GMT
1. Leon 2. The Lady 3. The Fifth Element What is Joan of Arc?
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Post by OldAussie on Jun 11, 2018 4:43:20 GMT
Leon Nikita The Big Blue
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Post by anthonyrocks on Jun 11, 2018 4:47:03 GMT
I just have 2 Favorites!
1. Leon
2. Lucy
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Post by darksidebeadle on Jun 11, 2018 8:33:21 GMT
Leon Lucy Nikita
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Post by FridayOnElmStreet on Jun 11, 2018 10:50:00 GMT
1. The Fifth Element 2. Lucy
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2018 11:10:14 GMT
Lucy The Fifth Element Nikita
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Post by politicidal on Jun 11, 2018 16:11:36 GMT
The Fifth Element
Leon
Adele Blanc-Sac
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Post by marth on Jun 11, 2018 19:13:20 GMT
Leon Nikita A tie between The Fifth Element and The Big Blue
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Post by mslo79 on Jun 11, 2018 22:06:26 GMT
1.Angel-A (2005) - 9/10 (within my Top 26 movies. this movie grew stronger for me on re-watches (I have seen this at least three times but probably somewhere around 4-6 times). this is definitely underrated as it's his clear cut #1 movie in my mind. in fact, this would be my #1 movie if you look at only movies with no-name leads in them. side note: that scene in the mirror is a nice moment in the movie as that stands out for scenes in general.) 2.The Big Blue (1988) - 7/10 (within my Top 187 movies) everything else is nothing special (i.e. 6/10 at best). but with that said... I used to be a huge fan of Leon (1994) (was a 10/10 for me at one point but now I see The American (2010) (9/10) as the best of this genre) and a pretty big fan of Nikita (1990) (was a solid 8/10 at one point) but they are average for me as of viewings in 2014/2015 as I no longer like them. I still mildly like The Fifth Element (1997) (6/10).
basically from what I have seen from Besson, which is basically eight movies, the only movies of his I like at this point are the two I voted for (listed above) and The Fifth Element. but I did not vote for The Fifth Element as I generally only vote for movies I score a 7 or higher in these polls (I might make a exception once in a while though).
p.s. it's laughable that Lucy has the 4th most votes. that movie is forgettable. but with that said, I am not surprised to see Leon/Nikita/The Fifth Element leading the poll in terms of total votes since I just assumed those three are his most popular movies as I would imagine Leon/The Fifth Element are his top 2 in terms of popularity with Nikita being in the 3rd spot in my best estimations.
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Post by moviemouth on Jun 11, 2018 23:05:20 GMT
p.s. it's laughable that Lucy has the 4th most votes. that movie is forgettable.
I enjoyed Lucy far more than the boring Angel-A. Finishing the latter was quite a chore for me and if I didn't make it a point to finish every movie I start, I would have shut it off half way through. Both are forgettable imo.
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Post by mslo79 on Jun 11, 2018 23:29:25 GMT
moviemouthIll say this, as I think I can claim this much... Angel-A is more unique. Lucy is pretty much your typical action type of movie. also, I think Angel-A is visually better than most fairly well known movies. while I realize you can't please everyone (as I am sure you saying 'forgettable' could apply to those two movies for plenty of people)... I would think there are more people who think more highly of Angel-A than Lucy looking at fans of both movies when those fans compare those two movies on where they would roughly rank on their all-time lists. like where Angel-A ranks on fans of Angel-A's all-time list and the same with Lucy, I would imagine Angel-A would rank higher. but as the saying goes... to each his own. p.s. but come to think of it... given your wording, I think you might be exaggerating a bit. because unless you thought Angel-A was quite bad it would be difficult for you to enjoy watching Lucy 'far more' especially given the fact you called both forgettable as forgettable basically translates to 'average at best'. what did you score each movie? ; this will tell me whether your enjoying Lucy 'far more' is actually accurate (or close enough to accurate) or not. like say if your rating scale is similar to mine (which it likely is close enough simply because anyone could not vary from mine much (which seems to be similar to most around here) or it would be flawed)... for 'far more' to be even possibly accurate or close enough you would have to have given Angel-A something like a 1-3/10 and Lucy say a 5/10 (maybe a 6/10) for that 'far more' to be accurate or close enough to accurate. I am assuming neither is higher than a 5-6/10 because, in my mind, forgettable is not worth more than a 5/10 which is average/middle-of-the-road. even leaving a little room for error one could not score a movie higher than a 6/10 if they find it to be forgettable.
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Post by moviemouth on Jun 11, 2018 23:40:03 GMT
moviemouth Ill say this, as I think I can claim this much... Angel-A is more unique. Lucy is pretty much your typical action type of movie. also, I think Angel-A is visually better than most fairly well known movies. while I realize you can't please everyone (as I am sure you saying 'forgettable' could apply to those two movies for plenty of people)... I would think there are more people who think more highly of Angel-A than Lucy looking at fans of both movies when those fans compare those two movies on where they would roughly rank on their all-time lists. like where Angel-A ranks on fans of Angel-A's all-time list and the same with Lucy, I would imagine Angel-A would rank higher. but as the saying goes... to each his own. p.s. but come to think of it... given your wording, I think you might be exaggerating a bit. because unless you thought Angel-A was quite bad it would be difficult for you to enjoy watching Lucy 'far more' especially given the fact you called both forgettable as forgettable basically translates to 'average at best'. what did you score each movie? ; this will tell me whether your enjoying Lucy 'far more' is actually accurate (or close enough to accurate) or not. like say if your rating scale is similar to mine (which it likely is close enough simply because anyone could not vary from mine much (which seems to be similar to most around here) or it would be flawed)... for 'far more' to be even possibly accurate or close enough you would have to have given Angel-A something like a 1-3/10 and Lucy say a 5/10 (maybe a 6/10) for that 'far more' to be accurate or close enough to accurate. I am assuming neither is higher than a 5-6/10 because, in my mind, forgettable is not worth more than a 5/10 which is average/middle-of-the-road. even leaving a little room for error one could not score a movie higher than a 6/10 if they find it to be forgettable. Oh, I don't deny that Angel-A is more unique, but that doesn't make it better. There are plenty of unique movies that are painfully boring or flat out awful. I wasn't exaggerating. Lucy - 6/10 Angel-A - 4/10
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Post by mslo79 on Jun 11, 2018 23:50:07 GMT
moviemouth Let me ask you this... is a 4/10 a 'below average' score for you? assuming it is(as a 4/10 is what I call below average), that don't put them too far apart considering 'forgettable' means about average and below average and average ain't that far apart. hence, I think there is a bit of an exaggeration with the 'far more' part. p.s. I am not questioning your opinion in that you like Lucy more, I am just saying it's hard to say you like one 'far more' when they are pretty close in score. I think more of a minimum to claim 'far more' would be probably something like... 4/10 vs a 7/10. or a 6/10 vs a 3/10 etc, I am sure you get the gist. NOTE: personally I can't score a movie higher than a 5/10 if it's not something ill re-watch. like in a very basic sense... 5/10 or less = Thumbs Down. 6/10 or higher = Thumbs Up. so while some people might consider average as neither a Thumbs Up or Thumbs Down, it's ultimately a Thumbs Down in my mind since average is ultimately forgettable.
I got to agree with you here.
still, even assuming the both are forgettable mindset... if one wants to look into certain aspects of a movie, Angel-A has to have a advantage on some level.
p.s. although I rarely hand out 1/10's, as a 2/10 is typically my bottom score, which is for something that's boring as boring is generally the worst crime a movie can commit. 1/10's are for something I more or less greatly dislike which stands out in a negative/more of a irritating way which typically does not happen for me. so damn near everything I see scores between a 2-10/10.
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Post by moviemouth on Jun 11, 2018 23:56:59 GMT
moviemouth Let me ask you this... is a 4/10 a 'below average' score for you? assuming it is(as a 4/10 is what I call below average), that don't put them too far apart considering 'forgettable' means about average and below average and average ain't that far apart. hence, I think there is a bit of an exaggeration with the 'far more' part. p.s. I am not questioning your opinion in that you like Lucy more, I am just saying it's hard to say you like one 'far more' when they are pretty close in score. I think more of a minimum to claim 'far more' would be probably something like... 4/10 vs a 7/10. or a 6/10 vs a 3/10 etc, I am sure you get the gist. NOTE: personally I can't score a movie higher than a 5/10 if it's not something ill re-watch. like in a very basic sense... 5/10 or less = Thumbs Down. 6/10 or higher = Thumbs Up. so while some people might consider average as neither a Thumbs Up or Thumbs Down, it's ultimately a Thumbs Down in my mind since average is ultimately forgettable.
I got to agree with you here.
still, even assuming the both are forgettable mindset... if one wants to look into certain aspects of a movie, Angel-A has to have a advantage on some level.
For me there is a BIG difference between a 4/10 (bad) and a 6/10 (mild thumbs down), just like there is a huge difference between 6/10 (mild thumbs down) and 8/10 (very good). Sure, Angel-A is far more visually creative and has a better idea. If a movie takes a interesting idea and turns it into a boring movie than those elements don't really matter. Does it matter to you so much that I dislike the movie? You seem to be going out of your way to make me agree with you. Aren't you the one that says moves are mostly subjective?
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Post by moviemouth on Jun 12, 2018 0:18:55 GMT
moviemouth Let me ask you this... is a 4/10 a 'below average' score for you? assuming it is(as a 4/10 is what I call below average), that don't put them too far apart considering 'forgettable' means about average and below average and average ain't that far apart. hence, I think there is a bit of an exaggeration with the 'far more' part. p.s. I am not questioning your opinion in that you like Lucy more, I am just saying it's hard to say you like one 'far more' when they are pretty close in score. I think more of a minimum to claim 'far more' would be probably something like... 4/10 vs a 7/10. or a 6/10 vs a 3/10 etc, I am sure you get the gist. NOTE: personally I can't score a movie higher than a 5/10 if it's not something ill re-watch. like in a very basic sense... 5/10 or less = Thumbs Down. 6/10 or higher = Thumbs Up. so while some people might consider average as neither a Thumbs Up or Thumbs Down, it's ultimately a Thumbs Down in my mind since average is ultimately forgettable.
I got to agree with you here.
still, even assuming the both are forgettable mindset... if one wants to look into certain aspects of a movie, Angel-A has to have a advantage on some level.
p.s. although I rarely hand out 1/10's, as a 2/10 is typically my bottom score, which is for something that's boring as boring is generally the worst crime a movie can commit. 1/10's are for something I more or less greatly dislike which stands out in a negative/more of a irritating way which typically does not happen for me. so damn near everything I see scores between a 2-10/10.
Rottentomatoes Angel-A - 45% 5.5/10 average Lucy - 66% 6.1/10 average Just saying. I will give you that Angel-A is better rated than Lucy on imdb. All in all I'd say they are condsidered equally average in general.
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Post by mslo79 on Jun 12, 2018 0:41:39 GMT
moviemouth I understand. but I do make a legit point though if someone is going to claim that 'far more' thing they at least need to reflect that in their score otherwise they are exaggerating. I don't really think this is much of a semantics thing either (sure, maybe some) as it's not nitpicking over TOO many details like is typically the case with that semantics stuff. because all I am basically asking is what's the minimum score gap for one movie to be considered 'far better' than the other. I would have to assume most people would put that at least a 3 score difference like I mentioned and I would not be surprised if some went even higher, which is why I said a 'minimum' difference for that to qualify. hell, some to think of it... I suspect this somewhat plays inline with some people who say a movie is 'boring' but don't actually mean it. like the movie could be average or a bit below and they act like it's horrible etc even though, going by those peoples opinions, they don't actually think it's that bad. when I say a movie is boring I mean exactly that in that I am so bored by it that I basically could not finish it the vast majority of the time. that's sort of how I determine my 2/10 vs a 3/10 as 2/10's are pretty much reserved for movies I can't finish due to boredom (like ill stop watching them about 30-40min or so into them typically) where as 3/10's, while might being potentially boring on some level etc, they usually ain't to that strict sense boring level to where it's like watching paint dry. p.s. but with that's said... assuming a 4/10 is a below average score for you(like it is for me), I can easily understand how some people would use the word 'boring' in relation to it on some level. so I can't fault one too much as long as they don't really preach it too much unless the movie they are comparing to etc happens to be one they like a lot more etc in which case I would never question someone saying 'I like Movie A a lot more than Movie B' etc.
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Post by moviemouth on Jun 12, 2018 0:54:32 GMT
moviemouth I understand. but I do make a legit point though if someone is going to claim that 'far more' thing they at least need to reflect that in their score otherwise they are exaggerating. I don't really think this is much of a semantics thing either (sure, maybe some) as it's not nitpicking over TOO many details like is typically the case with that semantics stuff. because all I am basically asking is what's the minimum score gap for one movie to be considered 'far better' than the other. I would have to assume most people would put that at least a 3 score difference like I mentioned and I would not be surprised if some went even higher, which is why I said a 'minimum' difference for that to qualify. hell, some to think of it... I suspect this somewhat plays inline with some people who say a movie is 'boring' but don't actually mean it. like the movie could be average or a bit below and they act like it's horrible etc even though, going by those peoples opinions, they don't actually think it's that bad. when I say a movie is boring I mean exactly that in that I am so bored by it that I basically could not finish it the vast majority of the time. that's sort of how I determine my 2/10 vs a 3/10 as 2/10's are pretty much reserved for movies I can't finish due to boredom (like ill stop watching them about 30-40min or so into them typically) where as 3/10's, while might being potentially boring on some level etc, they usually ain't to that strict sense boring level to where it's like watching paint dry. p.s. but with that's said... assuming a 4/10 is a below average score for you(like it is for me), I can easily understand how some people would use the word 'boring' in relation to it on some level. so I can't fault one too much as long as they don't really preach it too much unless the movie they are comparing to etc happens to be one they like a lot more etc in which case I would never question someone saying 'I like Movie A a lot more than Movie B' etc. The same can be said for EVERYBODY, regarding different movies. Personal opinion is all that matters in the end as far as I'm concerned, so we are both right in our opinions of Angel-A. 6/10 is a complicated score to assess because while there is more good than bad to the movie, it still has too much negative aspects to call it a satisfying experience. There is a pretty big difference for me even between a 4.0/10 and a 5.5/10. There are bad movies, average movies, good movies and great movies and there is a pretty big gap between each for me. You won't understand this but there are movies I rate 6/10 that are more memorable than movies I rate 7/10, they just aren't memorable in a good way or they are memorable in that they squandered a great idea or something like that. Children of Men is a good example. It is a memorable movie in that it has a great idea and brilliant cinematography. Even though the movie doesn't work for me overall, these two aspects make it more memorable than a movie I actually like. It also makes the fact that I dislike the movie all the more frustrating.
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Post by mslo79 on Jun 12, 2018 5:56:36 GMT
moviemouthAgreed. In terms of a basic Thumbs Up or Thumbs Down it's basically more of a overall feeling I have for a movie as you can generally tell when a movie reaches a point where ill want to see it again etc and at that point it won't score lower than a 6/10 (a mild Thumbs Up) for me and if that fails where the overall movie don't click, it's not getting more than a 5/10. basically while I already mentioned the whole enjoyable/entertainment thing it basically comes back to some sort of general emotional response a movie gives me in whether it works overall or not at the end of the day. but there are times where a movie will ultimately get a Thumbs Down from me but that it was enjoyable enough for a one time viewing. but who knows, maybe what your describing is that occasion where I am on the edge of giving a movie a Thumbs Up or Thumbs Down as, while that don't happen often, I do stumble into a movie like that here and there and might have to think about it a bit more to decide whether I want to re-watch it or not as my feeling on it is on the edge either way. I guess even just looking at my own rating scale... in terms of a 2 point gap thing, which is what we are basically talking about here, while I would not describe it as a 'huge difference', there is a clear gap in my enjoyment of it. so I guess I would be pretty much in agreement with you here as we might only differ in more of the wording I guess as some might call it a 'huge gap' or 'massive gap' or 'big difference' etc which I can easily see going into that semantics stuff as people might not have a clear cut thing on the wording as opinions might vary a bit. but as my score raises there is decent gaps between each point but nothing I would say is massive as you can basically see in my general rating system below... 10 = As much as I can enjoy a movie, pretty much. 9 = Nearly as much as I can enjoy a movie. 8 = Great. 7 = A Strong Thumbs Up. (My Favorite Movies score here and higher) 6 = A Mild Thumbs Up. (My minimum score to re-watch a movie) 5 = Average/Forgettable/Thumbs Down. (while a negative score, they typically don't waste my time) 4 = Below Average. 3 = Failure. (I typically finished watching these movies, but they are just bad) 2 = Boring. (I could not finish watching due to boredom and boring is pretty much the worst crime a movie can commit) 1 = Greatly dislike. (a rare feat, in a negative way) so as you can see... my rating system scales up and down fairly evenly. although as I mentioned a 2/10 is typically my bottom-of-the-barrel score. although I guess if one wants to get into the details on say a 3-4/10 range, it's possible those could be somewhat boring, at least at times, etc but they ain't outright boring overall. also, back to that whole 2 point gap thing... while there is a clear gap for me between each two points on the rating scale, and while I can't say I have any clear cut difference as the scale goes up and down there, I might say that the gap between 5/10 to a 7/10 is bigger than my gap from a 8/10 to a 10/10. hell, I 'might' say that about a 4/10 vs a 6/10 because that's at that point where you go from a overall enjoyable movie to one that's really straining my interest in it which makes that a fairly big gap there. so in this sense we are probably similar the more I think about it. or in terms of a three point swing... I would have to say 4/10 vs a 7/10 is a larger swing for me than say 7/10 vs a 10/10 even though each is exactly three points apart. because going from a 4/10 to a 7/10 is rather huge because if something is a 7/10 it's within my Top 187 movies where as if something is a 4/10 that makes it roughly in my Bottom 17-18% or so of all movies I have seen where as with the 7/10 score it makes it within my Top 8.5% or so of movies. I guess I can understand the whole liking the idea thing but I am sure there are plenty of movies that the basic idea, on the surface, looks good but the overall movie just don't work etc. but I guess, like you pretty much said, 'memorable' can be interpreted differently in that some stuff can be memorable in a negative way and then in a positive way etc. but when I say memorable that generally means the movie stands out in a positive way for them and I would assume most people likely see it that way to.
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Post by Marv on Jun 12, 2018 9:43:39 GMT
Leon The Fifth Element Lucy
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