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Post by snsurone on Jun 12, 2018 0:02:15 GMT
Are the sounds of weapons in movies and on TV dubbed in post-production?
I hope so, otherwise many actors would be suffering severe hearing loss.
;-)
From videos I've seen on the news, most guns only elicit "pops" rather than loud "bangs", but I suppose that depends on the caliber of the weapon.
BTW, I've noticed that on pistol ranges, the shooters wear headsets.
I understand that they are supplied to drown out the noise (especially in an indoor setting), but I've always wondered what the shooters listen to on those headsets.
Is it a "white noise"?
Music?
Instructions?
Or do the headsets totally deafen the shooter?
Maybe someone who has practiced on a pistol range can inform me.
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Post by Doghouse6 on Jun 12, 2018 0:48:26 GMT
Are the sounds of weapons in movies and on TV dubbed in post-production? The short answer is: almost always. I say "almost" only to allow for possible but rare exceptions. Gunshots, explosions, automotive sounds, fistfights and other brawls, machinery of various sorts, bar and restaurant background noises; almost anything you hear that isn't dialogue - even door slams or telephone rings - are routinely added to the effects track in post, either from prerecorded sound elements from libraries or recorded specifically for the film, or by "Foley artists" - who may do anything from punching a side of beef or stabbing a watermelon to shattering glass or breaking furniture - while screening a scene. Even something as seemingly unnoticeable as room ambiance is added in the re-recording process. When working at MGM years ago, I sometimes watched dailies shot on soundstages the day before, and in that raw form, they're acoustically "dead." An ordinary scene taking place in the living room of a home will need that ambiance to bring it to life, and it may incorporate faint noises of wind, traffic or chirping birds from outside a window to overcome what would otherwise seem like an unnatural, hermetically-sealed atmosphere. |
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Post by PreachCaleb on Jun 12, 2018 13:53:07 GMT
Heck, sometimes even most of the dialogue is dubbed in post.
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Post by snsurone on Jun 12, 2018 15:58:58 GMT
Heck, sometimes even most of the dialogue is dubbed in post. That's true. I've read that Cammie King's entire dialogue in GWTW was dubbed in post production. IMHO. the dubbing was probably as bad (if not worse) than King's real voice. |
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Post by Doghouse6 on Jun 12, 2018 16:30:44 GMT
Heck, sometimes even most of the dialogue is dubbed in post. That's true. I've read that Cammie King's entire dialogue in GWTW was dubbed in post production. IMHO. the dubbing was probably as bad (if not worse) than King's real voice. Had an odd GWTW experience a couple nights ago. It was available in HD on our cable system's "On Demand" menu, so I thought I'd check it out to see how it looked (my copy's a ten-year-old standard-def DVD). Between the overture, the very long main titles and the prologue, it's a good seven minutes before the film proper begins, which opens with an establishing shot of Tara as house servant Pork chases a turkey across the lawn. So far, all that's been on the soundtrack is music, and that turkey's gobbling is the first sound effect heard...except this time. Max Steiner's bucolic string-and-flute scoring played, but as the dissolve to Scarlett and the Tarleton twins on the porch talking about war occurs, they open their mouths and nothing comes out. The only sound remains the music underscoring. All dialogue and sound effects were missing. I scanned ahead a few minutes to see if it was a momentary glitch, but the music was still the only thing on the soundtrack. They were running a broadcast dub without any dialogue or effects tracks. In essence, a silent version of GWTW: action and music only. I've never seen a mistake like that occur. When I worked in post-production and distribution years ago, we had people who'd do QC checks of broadcast dubs before shipping or satellite uplinking to make sure there were no such errors. I'd have hated to be some poor viewer looking forward to seeing this film for the first time. |
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Post by teleadm on Jun 12, 2018 17:52:50 GMT
I thought there was some little puff or smack sounds, so the actors knew what to react to.
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Post by snsurone on Jun 12, 2018 19:57:55 GMT
Dog, it wasn't Pork, the valet-butler of Tara, chasing the turkey.
It was a little black boy, probably the son of field hands.
There was a definite "caste" system among the slaves, and a servant as important as Pork would never demean himself by running after poultry.
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Post by Doghouse6 on Jun 12, 2018 22:43:32 GMT
Dog, it wasn't Pork, the valet-butler of Tara, chasing the turkey. It was a little black boy, probably the son of field hands. There was a definite "caste" system among the slaves, and a servant as important as Pork would never demean himself by running after poultry. Thanks for the correction, snsurone. It looks like a full-grown man to me, but you're right about Pork, of course. |
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Post by snsurone on Jun 12, 2018 22:49:26 GMT
I have a VHS tape of MILDRED PIERCE, and there is a scene of Butterfly McQueen answering a telephone that didn't ring.
Yet, when I see this movie on TCM, the phone does ring.
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Post by Doghouse6 on Jun 12, 2018 23:32:10 GMT
I have a VHS tape of MILDRED PIERCE, and there is a scene of Butterfly McQueen answering a telephone that didn't ring. Yet, when I see this movie on TCM, the phone does ring. I've noticed a number of instances in which little mistakes have been "fixed" in later remasterings for DVD or HD/Blu-ray. Most recently, a clumsy edit that had always been in It Happened One Night had been tightened the last time TCM ran it. And not a mistake, but a long-after-the-fact alteration: in later video releases of The Invisible Man, the music heard coming from a radio has been changed (I can guess only having to do with some music licensing issue). |
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Post by MCDemuth on Jun 12, 2018 23:48:32 GMT
but I've always wondered what the shooters listen to on those headsets. Wow... They are not listening to anything! Those "Headsets" do not have speakers in them. Haven't you ever heard of Earplugs or Cotton Wadding? How about Earmuffs? All these things act as "sound proofing insulation"... Sticking anything in your ears or if you cover your ears with something... The loudness of external sounds will be significantly reduced, protecting your hearing. Most actors probably wear earplugs. The kind you might use when you swim, to keep water out of your ears. They are small enough not to be seen. |
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Post by Doghouse6 on Jun 13, 2018 0:15:21 GMT
I thought there was some little puff or smack sounds, so the actors knew what to react to. I believe that's usually the case, but I recently saw The Monte Carlo Story, in which there's a scene with Marlene Dietrich and Vittorio De Sica skeet shooting; when Dietrich pulled the trigger, the requisite "crack" was on the soundtrack, but there was no puff, no flash, no recoil, no nothing. It was just a dummy prop, and the effect was nearly as comical as William Demarest aiming his rifle in The Palm Beach Story and yelling, "Bang-bang!" |
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Post by MCDemuth on Jun 13, 2018 0:28:50 GMT
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Post by BATouttaheck on Jun 13, 2018 0:35:28 GMT
MCDemuth I find that I can shoot much more accurately if I have the 1812 Overture playing (at full volume) while shooting.
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Post by Primemovermithrax Pejorative on Jun 14, 2018 2:04:59 GMT
They also re-record any kind of background talk--so scenes where people are in the background chatting-they are usually silent, pretending to speak to each other.
I heard that the cast of Star Trek had hearing problems years later due to being around set explosions without ear plugs.
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