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Post by THawk on Mar 18, 2017 0:41:02 GMT
Most religious people, perhaps with the exception of some liberals, can't stand the sight of Hollywood, and everything that it represents. That's not to say good movies aren't being made, but in general the whole celebrity culture, values (or lack thereof) of Hollywood (and here I include the pop industry, just that whole spectrum) is poison, pitch black garbage.
Generally the vast "non-religious" population - and by this I mean people who may or may not somewhat believe some spiritual things, but really don't care at all much one way or another - are Hollywood's prime demographic, the vast majority of media is tailor made for their tastes.
But what do actual hard atheists, those who strongly oppose religion or the belief in religion think of Hollywood? All cool, as long as it's not "pushing the religious propaganda?" Do they have strong moral objections to mainstream pop culture?
I believe both Walt Disney and H.P. Lovecraft would have been utterly repulsed at everything society and Hollywood has become. But at least the latter doesn't have to see his name dragged through the mud.
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Post by vernuf on Mar 18, 2017 5:21:42 GMT
That's rather vague. What exactly are your objections?
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Post by Nostalgias4Geeks🌈 on Mar 18, 2017 5:53:44 GMT
Hard athiests? Like they have boners?
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Post by Arlon10 on Mar 18, 2017 6:17:58 GMT
Most religious people, perhaps with the exception of some liberals, can't stand the sight of Hollywood, and everything that it represents. That's not to say good movies aren't being made, but in general the whole celebrity culture, values (or lack thereof) of Hollywood (and here I include the pop industry, just that whole spectrum) is poison, pitch black garbage. Generally the vast "non-religious" population - and by this I mean people who may or may not somewhat believe some spiritual things, but really don't care at all much one way or another - are Hollywood's prime demographic, the vast majority of media is tailor made for their tastes. But what do actual hard atheists, those who strongly oppose religion or the belief in religion think of Hollywood? All cool, as long as it's not "pushing the religious propaganda?" Do they have strong moral objections to mainstream pop culture? I believe both Walt Disney and H.P. Lovecraft would have been utterly repulsed at everything society and Hollywood has become. But at least the latter doesn't have to see his name dragged through the mud. What are "hard" atheists? Are they denser than other atheists? I'm guessing there is enough of a mix of "values" that few people are blaming all of Hollywood for anything. They blame the people and movies they find worthy of blame. There are murders and rapes in the Bible, just not as glorified as elsewhere. They are fewer lately but some movies have "redeeming social values." The religious right is aware how few their numbers are lately. They know it isn't "Hollywood's" fault entirely. Hollywood has been following crowds more than leading them. The good news is there is a growing awareness that the blind are leading the blind. Atheism is in sharp decline since it peaked in 2012. (Christian Atheism, Military Atheism and Elementary Atheism, all). A major reason the Democrats lost in 2016 is the decline in atheism. That does not mean the Republicans represent the religious right quite yet, maybe they will later. Trump and most people in government are farther left then they realize. There will be a move to the right, not the government's concept of right, the real right, in the next 1 to 3 years. One reason atheism is in decline since 2012 is that it "came out" about that time. There were more public meetings and rallies. There was a huge one in Washington D.C. on the National Mall. When atheists try to talk to people who are not the crazy fundamentalists that usually try to talk to them they realize they are not smarter than the really religious as they thought. They realize they have a distorted view of things from their poor education. There are almost no atheists left on Google Groups alt.atheism, just trolls. There are fewer here as well, just trolls and some curious kids. Reddit seems to have the most atheists at the moment, but I doubt many of those will last. |
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Post by progressiveelement on Mar 18, 2017 13:17:34 GMT
Most religious people, perhaps with the exception of some liberals, can't stand the sight of Hollywood, and everything that it represents. That's not to say good movies aren't being made, but in general the whole celebrity culture, values (or lack thereof) of Hollywood (and here I include the pop industry, just that whole spectrum) is poison, pitch black garbage. Generally the vast "non-religious" population - and by this I mean people who may or may not somewhat believe some spiritual things, but really don't care at all much one way or another - are Hollywood's prime demographic, the vast majority of media is tailor made for their tastes. But what do actual hard atheists, those who strongly oppose religion or the belief in religion think of Hollywood? All cool, as long as it's not "pushing the religious propaganda?" Do they have strong moral objections to mainstream pop culture? I believe both Walt Disney and H.P. Lovecraft would have been utterly repulsed at everything society and Hollywood has become. But at least the latter doesn't have to see his name dragged through the mud. Too many sequels? |
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Post by scienceisgod on Mar 19, 2017 3:34:41 GMT
The Atheists with a capital "A" around here probably think Hollywood is too antisemitic.
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Post by awhina on Mar 19, 2017 3:50:09 GMT
The Atheists with a capital "A" around here probably think Hollywood is too antisemitic. Which is hilarious! |
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Post by clusium on Mar 19, 2017 4:03:59 GMT
The Atheists with a capital "A" around here probably think Hollywood is too antisemitic. Why....? |
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Post by MooseNugget on Mar 19, 2017 4:13:18 GMT
Too many superhero movies. Stop it.  |
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Post by progressiveelement on Mar 19, 2017 12:41:53 GMT
The Atheists with a capital "A" around here probably think Hollywood is too antisemitic. Which is hilarious! Why? Because it's fucking stupid and detached from reality? |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2017 13:00:24 GMT
Most religious people, perhaps with the exception of some liberals, can't stand the sight of Hollywood, and everything that it represents. That's not to say good movies aren't being made, but in general the whole celebrity culture, values (or lack thereof) of Hollywood (and here I include the pop industry, just that whole spectrum) is poison, pitch black garbage. Generally the vast "non-religious" population - and by this I mean people who may or may not somewhat believe some spiritual things, but really don't care at all much one way or another - are Hollywood's prime demographic, the vast majority of media is tailor made for their tastes. But what do actual hard atheists, those who strongly oppose religion or the belief in religion think of Hollywood? All cool, as long as it's not "pushing the religious propaganda?" Do they have strong moral objections to mainstream pop culture? I believe both Walt Disney and H.P. Lovecraft would have been utterly repulsed at everything society and Hollywood has become. But at least the latter doesn't have to see his name dragged through the mud. We may disagree on what Hollywood is and what its values are. The way I see it, Hollywood is a curious mix of things (I guess many large groups or organisations are). At heart, Hollywood is quite conservative. Its core principle is that of making money, and in general it will do anything it needs to to make money. Many of the people who function within it have left wing viewpoints of one sort or another, and so much of what Hollywood produces is founded in that viewpoint. Hence we get billion dollar corporations producing movies with the message that billion dollar corporations are evil, in the hopes that they will earn even more billions of dollars. I find this quite an entertaining situation myself. But even most Hollywood messaging is pretty conservative. They like to praise individualism, freedom, demonise the current bad guys, all that stuff. They're generally fairly keen on religion, though far less so on unthinking religious extremism. You rarely see atheism displayed positively, when it's displayed at all. I'm fine with that, it makes sense that the entertainment a society produces reflects the majority values of the society. In general I don't condemn other people for their beliefs or behaviour unless I think those beliefs and behaviour are actively harming others. Hollywood does relatively little harm, and they produce movies that I enjoy on a semi-regular basis. So I'm fine with them. |
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Post by vernuf on Mar 19, 2017 19:41:10 GMT
I wonder if the OP is ever going to come back.
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Post by cupcakes on Mar 20, 2017 14:17:26 GMT
tpfkar What about it chafes your underparts precisely. Skulls |
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Mar 20, 2017 14:22:21 GMT
I think OP is being extremely over general regarding the religious' view of Hollywood.
Everyone likes a good movie.
I can't think of too many celebrities I would actually want to hang around with. That des not mean I don't want to see their films.
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Post by faustus5 on Mar 20, 2017 16:44:31 GMT
I believe both Walt Disney and H.P. Lovecraft would have been utterly repulsed at everything society and Hollywood has become. But at least the latter doesn't have to see his name dragged through the mud. Good. Disney was a purveyor of mindless, artless crap, and Lovecraft was a sick, racist loser. |
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Post by vernuf on Mar 20, 2017 19:16:48 GMT
tpfkar What about it chafes your underparts precisely. SkullsWell, based on other things he's said, I think I can guess. That they're acknowledging gay people exist. |
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