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Post by alpha128 on Jun 22, 2018 15:24:46 GMT
The movie maker/book author/artist, etc. Make their thing. I am sure many hold stupid opinions. Dont we all? But does it matter whether I agree with everything Robert Bloch ever said in an interview on whether I enjoy his stories? I agree with you on these points. The difference is when the creative person attacks their audience, paints them with a broad brush, and refuses to acknowledge any criticism, regardless of how valid. Disney has claimed, many times, that detractors of their "Star Wars" films are just a bunch of overweight white guys living in their parent's basements. Yeah, well here are a bunch of Mexicans talking about "Star Wars". Guess what, they didn't like "The Last Jedi" either: Its the reason Marvel has taken off. They care about the product. Disney is letting them do their thing. The approach to Star Wars sadly seems more the old school Hollywood Studio game of handing it to a director & trusting that vision. Marvel will fire director who strays too far. It's true that Marvel has had problems with directors. But so has Lucasfilm, who ended up firing Gareth Edwards from Rogue One, Lord and Miller from Solo, and Colin Trevorrow from Episode IX.
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Post by _ on Jun 22, 2018 17:34:03 GMT
It's pretty funny that pro-Disney fans pretend that everything is coming up roses, when LL has already had to fire 4 directors ( the previous post forgot to include Josh Trank ) and 2 of their 4 films have underperformed at the box office.
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Post by Waxer-n-boil on Jun 23, 2018 14:14:06 GMT
It's pretty funny that pro-Disney fans pretend that everything is coming up roses, when LL has already had to fire 4 directors ( the previous post forgot to include Josh Trank ) and 2 of their 4 films have underperformed at the box office. Not to mention even though Marvel has fired directors they have not gone way over budget due to the massive amounts of reshoots like Disney LucasFilm has.
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Post by merh on Jun 24, 2018 8:27:33 GMT
I read J.J. Abrams comment as an attack on all detractors of TLJ. Like he was saying loud and clear, "I do not want your money for Episode IX." Well guess what? He's not getting mine! Just reread your link. He didnt say all detractors. Dude, you have to admit Twitter is a horrid place. I don't have an account, but I see the articles about Twitter going off about this or that. And I have known 4chan is a cesspool without ever visiting from my anime board days.
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Post by alpha128 on Jun 24, 2018 12:41:14 GMT
Just reread your link. He didnt say all detractors. OK, I re-read the article. Yes, he technically didn't say all detractors. However, the article focuses on women characters to such a degree that it heavily implies that is the only issue detractors had with "The Last Jedi". There is no mention of other issues such as the poor treatment of Luke Skywalker or "Superman Leia". As I wrote previously, Lucasfilm and their defenders paint the fan base with a broad brush. The clear implication is that anyone who did not like TLJ or who boycotted Solo, did so because they were racist, sexist, misogynist, etc.
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Post by merh on Jun 24, 2018 15:42:32 GMT
Just reread your link. He didnt say all detractors. OK, I re-read the article. Yes, he technically didn't say all detractors. However, the article focuses on women characters to such a degree that it heavily implies that is the only issue detractors had with "The Last Jedi". There is no mention of other issues such as the poor treatment of Luke Skywalker or "Superman Leia". As I wrote previously, Lucasfilm and their defenders paint the fan base with a broad brush. The clear implication is that anyone who did not like TLJ or who boycotted Solo, did so because they were racist, sexist, misogynist, etc. They couldnt call it crap. It was the Company Product. Its like all the stories about DCEU that private screenings for the kiss ass in the presence of the CEO of WB gave Batman v Superman or whichever film a standing ovation. Jobs were on the line. For whichever reason TLJ was the one they didnt re-shoot, maybe because they had enough bad press about re-shoots with director swaps. My personal opinion & where I discovered not to tall about it with my kid is not long before TLJ Disney announced they were branching away from the Skywalker saga to focus on other Force wielders & lo & behold we have all those kids running around the race track. My kid thought it was great. Whatever. Solo rocks. It is 100 times better than TLJ & didn't deserve the scorn. I am on my way to Jurassic World now so this will have to continue later.
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Post by alpha128 on Jun 24, 2018 17:57:08 GMT
They couldnt call it crap. It was the Company Product. Jobs were on the line. Yes, they couldn't call it crap. But they could have been diplomatic in their reaction to the fan backlash. They could have issued a statement like: It has come to our attention that some fans have issues with the script for "The Last Jedi". We appreciate the feedback. But we stand behind the bold choices of director Rian Johnson, and hope that once fans see the complete sequel trilogy, they'll have a better understanding of the choices he made.
Even if Lucasfilm didn't believe a word of it, issuing such a statement would put them in an infinitely better place than they are now. Instead, they responded by attacking their customers - calling them racist, sexist, misogynist, etc. Maybe for a small fraction of the detractors those label(s) did apply. But for the vast majority, they did not. It got so bad that fans who liked TLJ realized that Lucasfilm had gone too far in their attacks (see video below). Star Wars: SAVE THE FANDOM! LISTEN!Solo rocks. It is 100 times better than TLJ & didn't deserve the scorn. As the saying goes, "As you sow, so shall you reap". Lucasfilm decided not to listen to fans, and instead attacked the fans. As the video commentator says above when he learned his brother didn't want to see "Solo", "If they (Lucasfilm) can lose my brother, they can lose anybody."
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Post by merh on Jun 24, 2018 22:58:43 GMT
Yeah, well here are a bunch of Mexicans talking about "Star Wars". Guess what, they didn't like "The Last Jedi" either: Dude... I have lived in San Diego for 38 yrs. I have worked with some PRETTY SEXIST Mexicans. 2 come to mind-guys who treat me like their personal secretary when none of the other officers of different race or gender do this. The culture is pretty damned patriarchal. Many can be pretty damned racist. Talk to any SoCal African American that interacts with people south of the border. One co-worker was pissed how they all had to rub her son's hair to the point she stopped going to TJ. The one coworker is offended at the idea Mexicans are considered people of color because, yeah, he's very white, probably more Spanish heritage. And, sorry, do they not realize Oscar Isaac is Guatamalan? So wrong argument. Hispanic actor accounted for. You know they added Lando because everyone complained there were no blacks in A New Hope. The racist protest has been around a LONG time.
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Post by merh on Jun 24, 2018 23:45:57 GMT
They couldnt call it crap. It was the Company Product. Jobs were on the line. Yes, they couldn't call it crap. But they could have been diplomatic in their reaction to the fan backlash. They could have issued a statement like: It has come to our attention that some fans have issues with the script for "The Last Jedi". We appreciate the feedback. But we stand behind the bold choices of director Rian Johnson, and hope that once fans see the complete sequel trilogy, they'll have a better understanding of the choices he made.
Even if Lucasfilm didn't believe a word of it, issuing such a statement would put them in an infinitely better place than they are now. Instead, they responded by attacking their customers - calling them racist, sexist, misogynist, etc. Maybe for a small fraction of the detractors those label(s) did apply. But for the vast majority, they did not. It got so bad that fans who liked TLJ realized that Lucasfilm had gone too far in their attacks (see video below). Star Wars: SAVE THE FANDOM! LISTEN!Solo rocks. It is 100 times better than TLJ & didn't deserve the scorn. As the saying goes, "As you sow, so shall you reap". Lucasfilm decided not to listen to fans, and instead attacked the fans. As the video commentator says above when he learned his brother didn't want to see "Solo", "If they (Lucasfilm) can lose my brother, they can lose anybody." As a 58 yr old woman, I have run smack into nasty sexist crap on a regular basis. Do you see me rant against male led films? Back in the 80s when a gal stood up for herself it was not uncommon to hear the complaint she must be on the rag or what that bitch needed was a good f**k. It is ingrained in society Do I expect guys to be sexist? No, but when I encounter it for the zillionth time it's a mental sigh "again?" The problem is the Star Wars audience was horribly fragmented by Lucas with the prequels. I remember before TFA came out fanboys/girls were hating on it. I have a "more than a decade since the last film bodes ill" working theory, but I also have a willingness to give it a shot. Hell, i was worried about the gap on Ghostbusters 2. Maybe it was the EU It allowed other changes to be made to the SW universe like killing Chewie. It cut me to the core when I read Lucas allowed that. I stopped caring about Lucas's SW then. I dont think it can be unified. The chasm between the SW fanboys/girls is too vast. It feels like the Fox/X-Men fans hating on Disney to the point many have been praying comcast buys Fox. I dont give a damn about Xmen but I want Dr. Doom so damned bad. He is Marvel's Lex Luthor. Reportedly inspiration for Darth Vader And if it gives Disney access to the original cut of Star Wars, good.
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Post by merh on Jun 25, 2018 0:29:32 GMT
However, the article focuses on women characters to such a degree that it heavily implies that is the only issue detractors had with "The Last Jedi". So the press specifically asked about sexism He was being honored by a group promoting women in film. Of course the article focuses on women. It was an article highlighting Abrahms getting an award from a women's group. Jesus Christ. Your video guy is ranting abour STEVEN COLBERT. STEVEN COLBERT WHO HAS BRAGGED TO HAVE BEEN A STAR WARS FAN LONGER THAN MOST BECAUSE HE GOT TO SEE A PREVIEW PRIOR TO THE ORIGINAL RELEASE IN MAY 1977. Since when does Disney, which owns ABC,have ANY power over CBS? The most they could do would be refuse to allow Colbert to use the clips, but I dont think they want to piss off Colbert. He can be pretty vocal about stuff. He has had a lot of the Star Wars people on his show. Not as many of the Marvel guys who Disney seems to keep on Kimmel's show. Stewart used to use Vader to represent Dick Cheney & on one of Stewart's last shows Vader protested the comparison
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Jun 25, 2018 13:15:28 GMT
Sounds like Lucas had some interesting story ideas again. The Whills would have been an interesting evil, maybe tying into force representations similar to what we saw with the Mortis trilogy.
I know that is a big no-no in times of soulless kiddy blockbuster junk food a la Transformers and MCU both of which managed to bring nothing new to the table (including Disney rehash-Star Wars).
I bet with Lucas, even if you hate the story ideas, we would have at least got some impressive world building, new designs and vehicles and characters too, and likely no Adult Diaper Smuggler Hans, or Jake Cowmilker or Carry Poppins Leia.
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