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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2018 17:18:15 GMT
What's your thoughts folks? Ratings keep plummeting. My thoughts previously were - you're an MLB player and a superior athlete getting paid handsomely - if you're in the lineup you're hitting. Fact of the matter is times change and the world adapts folks. Is the American League Bush League anymore - or is it the more exciting product because you've got somebody in the lineup who can rake and unfortunately you don't have 5 Madison Bumgarners. NHL - Rules changed with 'The Trap' and The New Jersey Devils - otherwise every game would have ended with a 1-0 Devils win with Brodeur in the net. NBA/NCAA - Rules change on the shotclock and also 'illegal defense' and 'zone defense' NFL - Rules change on where the kicker is kicking off from, not being able to hit the QB in the head, etc I understand we have some hardcore MLB lovers here - but perhaps it's time to face reality - in order to survive in today's world - we must learn to 'adapt' and 'change'. It's a 'sweet' story - of enjoying Cracker Jacks, Apple Pie with the American Flag flying high as Pops McGee is whittlin' away with his penknife tellin' tales of Skippy Jones pitching both end of a double header in a tornado and going 7-10 knocking in the winning hits in both games. But perhaps it's time we give the NL the DH? What say you?   |
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Post by Xeliou66 on Jun 17, 2018 17:51:03 GMT
I fully support having a DH in all of MLB. Pitchers shouldn’t have to bat, they should just focus on pitching, and it would make the game much more exciting to have a talented hitter batting instead of some weak hitting pitcher.
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Jun 17, 2018 18:35:57 GMT
I don't like the DH one bit. Pitchers hitting adds a dimension of strategy to the game. Do you pull a starter who's having a good game for a pitch hitter, shit like that. But it's utterly ridiculous to see one league and one league only not have the DH. Pitchers hitting doesn't bother me but seeing AL pitchers hitting is pathetic. A career AL pitcher like David Price hasn't swung a bat since Little League. Then to ask him to face a Max Scherzer or Jacob deGrom is stupid. Time to do away with it.
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Post by Terrapin Station on Jun 17, 2018 18:45:42 GMT
Here's what I find ridiculous about it. I've heard people argue that not having a DH is better.
Well, let's imagine that we let each league have their own rules in any interleague game--that is, in the same game, the AL team gets a DH, the NL team doesn't use a DH.
There's not a single AL fan who would object to the above.
But there are plenty of NL fans who would object to it. Why? If you think there's an advantage to not having a DH, then you should love the idea, because according to you, the NL team would have an advantage in interleague games with mixed rules. If you think that the AL teams would rather have an advantage, then you're saying that the DH is better.
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Post by Terrapin Station on Jun 17, 2018 18:49:04 GMT
I don't like the DH one bit. Pitchers hitting adds a dimension of strategy to the game. Do you pull a starter who's having a good game for a pitch hitter, shit like that. But it's utterly ridiculous to see one league and one league only not have the DH. Pitchers hitting doesn't bother me but seeing AL pitchers hitting is pathetic. A career AL pitcher like David Price hasn't swung a bat since Little League. Then to ask him to face a Max Scherzer or Jacob deGrom is stupid. Time to do away with it. If you want to add that kind of "strategy" why not require one fielder to play with an arm tied behind their back? |
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Jun 17, 2018 19:40:45 GMT
I don't like the DH one bit. Pitchers hitting adds a dimension of strategy to the game. Do you pull a starter who's having a good game for a pitch hitter, shit like that. But it's utterly ridiculous to see one league and one league only not have the DH. Pitchers hitting doesn't bother me but seeing AL pitchers hitting is pathetic. A career AL pitcher like David Price hasn't swung a bat since Little League. Then to ask him to face a Max Scherzer or Jacob deGrom is stupid. Time to do away with it. If you want to add that kind of "strategy" why not require one fielder to play with an arm tied behind their back? Why stop at the pitcher? Any position player who can't maintain a .225 BA should get a DH of his own. Or how about platoons, like football? A lineup of Victor Martinez types and a defense of eight Billy Hamilton types? I've seen plenty of pitchers who can hit and plenty of position players who are bigger embarrassments than a pitcher with a bat in their hands.
Don't be silly. I said I'm in favor of making the DH universal. But I will never like the professional DH, the guy who grinds out a five year career without touching a glove.
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Post by Terrapin Station on Jun 17, 2018 19:44:43 GMT
If you want to add that kind of "strategy" why not require one fielder to play with an arm tied behind their back? Why stop at the pitcher? Any position player who can't maintain a .225 BA should get a DH of his own. Or how about platoons, like football? A lineup of Victor Martinez types and a defense of eight Billy Hamilton types? I've seen plenty of pitchers who can hit and plenty of position players who are bigger embarrassments than a pitcher with a bat in their hands.
Don't be silly. I said I'm in favor of making the DH universal. But I will never like the professional DH, the guy who grinds out a five year career without touching a glove.
I have no problem with the idea of having different offenses and defenses. Whatever will make teams more competitive. What's silly is intentionally handicapping a team in the name of "strategy." |
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Post by klawrencio79 on Jun 17, 2018 20:24:25 GMT
Here's what I find ridiculous about it. I've heard people argue that not having a DH is better. Well, let's imagine that we let each league have their own rules in any interleague game--that is, in the same game, the AL team gets a DH, the NL team doesn't use a DH. There's not a single AL fan who would object to the above. But there are plenty of NL fans who would object to it. Why? If you think there's an advantage to not having a DH, then you should love the idea, because according to you, the NL team would have an advantage in interleague games with mixed rules. If you think that the AL teams would rather have an advantage, then you're saying that the DH is better. Nobody said there's an advantage to not having it. Goodman's post is spot on. The AL game is a watered down version of the sport. Sadly though, it's only a matter of time before it's a universal rule. |
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Post by nutsberryfarm 🏜 on Jun 17, 2018 20:54:20 GMT
i'm beginning to think this commish is a sleeper agent for women's softball meant to destroy baseball.
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Post by Terrapin Station on Jun 17, 2018 21:02:41 GMT
Here's what I find ridiculous about it. I've heard people argue that not having a DH is better. Well, let's imagine that we let each league have their own rules in any interleague game--that is, in the same game, the AL team gets a DH, the NL team doesn't use a DH. There's not a single AL fan who would object to the above. But there are plenty of NL fans who would object to it. Why? If you think there's an advantage to not having a DH, then you should love the idea, because according to you, the NL team would have an advantage in interleague games with mixed rules. If you think that the AL teams would rather have an advantage, then you're saying that the DH is better. Nobody said there's an advantage to not having it. Goodman's post is spot on. The AL game is a watered down version of the sport. Sadly though, it's only a matter of time before it's a universal rule. Why is it "watered down" if there's an advantage to it? |
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Post by FrankSobotka1514 on Jun 17, 2018 22:40:13 GMT
Nobody said there's an advantage to not having it.  Goodman's post is spot on.  The AL game is a watered down version of the sport.  Sadly though, it's only a matter of time before it's a universal rule. Why is it "watered down" if there's an advantage to it? Because if you’re on the field then you should have to perform all aspects of the game. David Price sucks at hitting? Take batting practice. I realize watching most pitchers bat is like the punter trying to tackle the returner or Brady trying to catch a pass, but too bad, it’s part of the game. Just because a group of players suck at something doesn’t mean they should be exempt from it. And not only that, if a DH is good enough to hit then he should be out on the field playing defense too. This is how it balances out and separates good managers from bad ones. And on top of all that, Madison Bumgarner is a better hitter than probably a third of regular starting lineups. |
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Post by Terrapin Station on Jun 17, 2018 23:10:42 GMT
Why is it "watered down" if there's an advantage to it? Because if you’re on the field then you should have to perform all aspects of the game. You should have to perform all aspects of the game because? I take you don't like football? And why wouldn't you require that everyone play every position? If you should have to perform ALL aspects in the game in your view, then how could you justify any specialization at all? Why wouldn't you think that every player on the field needs to take turns pitching? Playing shortstop? Etc. |
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Post by FrankSobotka1514 on Jun 17, 2018 23:38:54 GMT
Because if you’re on the field then you should have to perform all aspects of the game. You should have to perform all aspects of the game because? I take you don't like football? And why wouldn't you require that everyone play every position? If you should have to perform ALL aspects in the game in your view, then how could you justify any specialization at all? Why wouldn't you think that every player on the field needs to take turns pitching? Playing shortstop? Etc. Don’t be so fucking dense. All aspects of the game means offense and defense. It doesn’t mean that Clayton Kershaw should learn to play third base. But he should hit when it’s his turn at bat. |
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Post by NJtoTX on Jun 17, 2018 23:55:24 GMT
It's always been on the horizon. I've resigned myself to the fact that the end of pitchers hitting is on the horizon. And I don't see the Shotanis and Bumgarner's hitting much longer.
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Post by Terrapin Station on Jun 18, 2018 1:37:42 GMT
You should have to perform all aspects of the game because? I take you don't like football? And why wouldn't you require that everyone play every position? If you should have to perform ALL aspects in the game in your view, then how could you justify any specialization at all? Why wouldn't you think that every player on the field needs to take turns pitching? Playing shortstop? Etc. Don’t be so fucking dense. All aspects of the game means offense and defense. It doesn’t mean that Clayton Kershaw should learn to play third base. But he should hit when it’s his turn at bat. I see you're not able to answer the questions i asked. |
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Post by FrankSobotka1514 on Jun 18, 2018 2:07:17 GMT
Don’t be so fucking dense. All aspects of the game means offense and defense. It doesn’t mean that Clayton Kershaw should learn to play third base. But he should hit when it’s his turn at bat. I see you're not able to answer the questions i asked. because they’re stupid questions. It’s not how the game was historically played. The dh was an add-on. |
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Post by Terrapin Station on Jun 18, 2018 2:52:43 GMT
I see you're not able to answer the questions i asked. because they’re stupid questions. It’s not how the game was historically played. The dh was an add-on. Why should we do the more traditional, historical thing? |
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Post by nutsberryfarm 🏜 on Jun 18, 2018 3:21:11 GMT
because they’re stupid questions. It’s not how the game was historically played. The dh was an add-on. Why should we do the more traditional, historical thing? in tradition, the penury of theoretical ignorance, has been filtered out via the action of accomplishment. |
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Post by weststigersbob on Jun 18, 2018 8:52:59 GMT
I am yet, as of following Baseball now for the best part of 25 years, still to hear a genuinely good reason as to why the DH exists. And, I might add, in the era of middle relievers, 8th and 9th inning specialists, I see even less of a need for a DH if fatiguing or injuring a pitcher whilst he has an at bat is the best reason for a DH.
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Post by Terrapin Station on Jun 18, 2018 11:28:56 GMT
I am yet, as of following Baseball now for the best part of 25 years, still to hear a genuinely good reason as to why the DH exists. And, I might add, in the era of middle relievers, 8th and 9th inning specialists, I see even less of a need for a DH if fatiguing or injuring a pitcher whilst he has an at bat is the best reason for a DH. For one it gives each team better offensive opportunities. |
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