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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Aug 5, 2018 4:59:06 GMT
This is a very valid concern, which is why I believe he was somehow convinced of Tyrion's guilt. A precondition to this is that Shae's testimony was free. An alternative to this is that his hand was forced. When Tyrion demanded a trial by combat, Tywin was no longer capable of influencing the proceedings. He had to accept the outcome or proclaim his disdain for the old custom. Still, his behaviour at the trial shows no concern at all, no attempt at finding another truth. He appears either convinced or complicit. Or Tywin was in on it knowing he could kill two birds with one stone by eliminating Joffrey and Tyrion. Both caused him problems. Tywin could easily manipulate Tommen compared to Joffrey and maybe he had just had about enough of Tyrion’s insolence. It’s a stretch I think but I wouldn’t put it past him. Tyrion's death undid the strategic marriage to Sansa Stark. It was definitely not something Tywin wanted and one further proof that Tyrion's opinions are based on his own self-pitying fantasies, just like Jon Snow moaning about being the most privileged bastard in Westeros. |
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Aug 5, 2018 6:21:57 GMT
I still can't help but wonder why Tywin wasn't interested in finding the real killers. He must've known that Tyrion was innocent. I feel like we were given too little explanation for his actions. Surely the people that killed Georfy would be enemies of the Lannister family, even if they technically did them a favor by poisoning their psycho boy king. Good point. I never got the hang of that murder business. Felt as if something was not told to us. Not telling everything is the basis of criminal story-telling but here again, I think we are in presence of a discrepancy between the book original and the TV adaptation. Something is not told in the books to keep the mystery going for a while and what the show tells ends up no longer fitting the original because it is evolving into its own story. At this point, it is important to point out that Lady Olenna never admits to the crime in the books, as she does to Margaery in the show. This information is only "revealed" to Sansa by Littlefinger, who could be lying. The certainty that Olenna arranged Joffrey's murder is a show-only situation. To untangle the plot, one needs to go back to the book original and Preston Jacobs makes a convincing enough analysis of it all. He ends up thinking Joffrey was killed by mishap after eating Tyrion's poisoned pie, with Littlefinger as the failed arranger and a random servant as the poisoner, the motive being to make Sansa a murderous widow. Placing poison on Sansa herself is a way of implicating her so she becomes dependent on his protection from the Lannisters. Littlefinger's manipulative "reveal" to Sansa was turned into truth by the show but never in the books. Here's the video, set to start at the point where the description of the events at the feast take place: |
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Post by Aj_June on Aug 6, 2018 17:18:03 GMT
Spooky Ghost AckbarHope you will stick around and become a permanent member of this board even you finish the entire GOT? 
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Post by _ on Aug 6, 2018 17:22:05 GMT
Spooky Ghost Ackbar Hope you will stick around and become a permanent member of this board even you finish the entire GOT?  |
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Post by Spooky Ghost Ackbar on Aug 7, 2018 1:33:24 GMT
Spooky Ghost Ackbar Hope you will stick around and become a permanent member of this board even you finish the entire GOT? Sure! |
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Post by Spooky Ghost Ackbar on Aug 7, 2018 1:35:53 GMT
Poor Sansa. Is she going to end up being forced to marry everyone on the show?
That psycho Ramses makes Geofry look like a good kid...
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Post by Marv on Aug 7, 2018 1:45:38 GMT
Poor Sansa. Is she going to end up being forced to marry everyone on the show? That psycho Ramses makes Geofry look like a good kid... As messed up as Ramsey is, i found him far more likeable than Joffrey. |
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Post by Spooky Ghost Ackbar on Aug 10, 2018 0:25:55 GMT
Finished season five!
John Snow is "dead"... Unfortunately this one was spoiled for me by the promo pic of season seven that shows John on horseback with Denaereus. I'm guessing the Scarlet Witch ressurects him.
Stanis is also... dead? This one I don't know. I'm guessing he is, but we never saw Breana of Tarth kill him, so... Who knows?
And both Theon and Sansa are also... Forget it. I never know on this show. LOL. They survived, I'm sure.
Also, I finally know where that "Shame" gif I've been seeing everywhere is from! I imagine Cersei will have revenge with that creepy zombie knight....
On to season six!!!!!!!!!!!@
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Aug 10, 2018 1:59:02 GMT
Yes, Jon is dead. Tells you all there is to know about the utility of direwolves…  To many, it was a very long wait for S6…  Cersei is awaiting trial, by the way. It's not over.  |
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Aug 10, 2018 2:57:47 GMT
John Snow is "dead"... Unfortunately this one was spoiled for me by the promo pic of season seven that shows John on horseback with Denaereus. I'm guessing the Scarlet Witch ressurects him. Speculations went wild for nearly a year. I had my own, published shortly before S6 started: |
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Aug 10, 2018 3:06:57 GMT
And both Theon and Sansa are also... Forget it. I never know on this show. LOL. They survived, I'm sure. They jumped in the snow. It should preserve them for some time…  |
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Post by _ on Aug 10, 2018 3:09:14 GMT
Finished season five! John Snow is "dead"... Unfortunately this one was spoiled for me by the promo pic of season seven that shows John on horseback with Denaereus. I'm guessing the Scarlet Witch ressurects him.  |
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Aug 10, 2018 3:52:34 GMT
Finished season five! John Snow is "dead"... Unfortunately this one was spoiled for me by the promo pic of season seven that shows John on horseback with Denaereus. I'm guessing the Scarlet Witch ressurects him. "The black queen chants the funeral march, The cracked brass bells will ring; To summon back the fire witch To the court of the crimson king." |
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Post by Spooky Ghost Ackbar on Aug 10, 2018 6:27:35 GMT
Yikes! The witchy witch woman is a thousand years old!  |
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Post by Spooky Ghost Ackbar on Aug 10, 2018 6:30:26 GMT
John Snow is "dead"... Unfortunately this one was spoiled for me by the promo pic of season seven that shows John on horseback with Denaereus. I'm guessing the Scarlet Witch ressurects him. Speculations went wild for nearly a year. I had my own, published shortly before S6 started: I've been expecting a dead character to return for a while now. They showed it could be done by the Lord of Light way back during season two. I expected Ned Stark to return for a while.... I doubt that happens now. Maybe Stanis? His departure was extremely anti climactic. |
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Aug 10, 2018 6:45:42 GMT
Speculations went wild for nearly a year. I had my own, published shortly before S6 started: I've been expecting a dead character to return for a while now. They showed it could be done by the Lord of Light way back during season two. I expected Ned Stark to return for a while.... I doubt that happens now. Maybe Stanis? His departure was extremely anti climactic. Stannis probably no longer has a head so it would be problematic. He was "terminated" a little fast but then, isn't that how it really is? People don't die after finishing their thing, especially not in war. Their trajectory is cut short, abruptly. They get up intending to go to bed in the evening after a good day's work but this time they don't. |
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Aug 10, 2018 6:47:42 GMT
Yikes! The witchy witch woman is a thousand years old! And Brienne can make dogs vanish. I think she's a witch too… |
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Post by Spooky Ghost Ackbar on Aug 10, 2018 17:01:01 GMT
I've been expecting a dead character to return for a while now. They showed it could be done by the Lord of Light way back during season two. I expected Ned Stark to return for a while.... I doubt that happens now. Maybe Stanis? His departure was extremely anti climactic. Stannis probably no longer has a head so it would be problematic. He was "terminated" a little fast but then, isn't that how it really is? People don't die after finishing their thing, especially not in war. Their trajectory is cut short, abruptly. They get up intending to go to bed in the evening after a good day's work but this time they don't. True. But in a story I expect a more satisfying end to such a lengthy subplot. I assumed he would lose at some point, and I always thought Brianne would probably kill him (because they kept reminding us of her desire for vengeance) but to just have him fail and die after a battle we didn't even actually see felt anti climactic. I'm guessing his storyline was really just an elaborate way to set up the Red Woman, and her role will ultimately be far more important than Stannis. I would have simply settled for a "what have I done?!" moment after he failed. Maybe some remorse/regret about his family. But we didn't even get that. |
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Post by Spooky Ghost Ackbar on Aug 10, 2018 17:03:39 GMT
Yikes! The witchy witch woman is a thousand years old! And Brienne can make dogs vanish. I think she's a witch too… Haha. I was actually wondering the whole scene: where are the hounds? |
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Aug 10, 2018 17:28:43 GMT
Stannis probably no longer has a head so it would be problematic. He was "terminated" a little fast but then, isn't that how it really is? People don't die after finishing their thing, especially not in war. Their trajectory is cut short, abruptly. They get up intending to go to bed in the evening after a good day's work but this time they don't. True. But in a story I expect a more satisfying end to such a lengthy subplot. I assumed he would lose at some point, and I always thought Brianne would probably kill him (because they kept reminding us of her desire for vengeance) but to just have him fail and die after a battle we didn't even actually see felt anti climactic. I'm guessing his storyline was really just an elaborate way to set up the Red Woman, and her role will ultimately be far more important than Stannis. I would have simply settled for a "what have I done?!" moment after he failed. Maybe some remorse/regret about his family. But we didn't even get that. Yes. Well, I could write a long lament on how the Stannis plot was sold short and wrapped up in a hurry to fit it all in that season. It is true, it felt rushed and yet I can defend it and say that was the whole point. Stannis was shown to be rushing head on into a dead end. He was always meant to stumble and fall but not to set up the Red Woman. No, this is not how this story works. Remember what she told him at the end of S2: "This war has just begun. It will last for years. Thousands will die at your command. You will betray the men serving you. You will betray your family. You will betray everything you once held dear. And it will all be worth it because you are the Son of Fire." He did all this. And it wasn't worth it. That, is the point. Ultimate sacrifice is not worth it. Stannis was portrayed as a man of law and duty, a man who finds comfort in not having choices to make. His last words to his daughter, before he sent her to the pyre: "If a man knows what he is and remains true to himself, the choice is no choice at all." He was Ned Stark taken to the extreme. Remember Ned Stark? The man who decided to start a war because "there was no other choice" (his answer to Littlefinger in S1E07, when he decided to topple Joffrey). These two are examples of well meaning, reckless mess makers. I support the Lannisters because they are the only reasonable people on this ship of fools, the only realists who see things as they are as opposed to idealists who dream of some impossible nonsense. Of course, half the world hates realists. Especially the young ones. There was a "what have I done" moment, short, clean. When Stannis accepts his fate without discussion, this is it: "Go on, do your duty". |
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