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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2018 18:50:39 GMT
"Halloween" (2018) is going to be a sequel to the original and pretend the other sequels don't exist. If successful, we will see a proper T3: Terminator 3 and so on and so forth, ignoring bad sequels and just picking up where the last 'good one' left off...
However, "Superman Returns" (2006) was the first film franchise to try this if I'm not mistaken?
Bryan Singer (director) said they ignored the events of Superman III and IV. This film picks up where "Superman II" left off. Superman gets a hint that astronomers may have found remains of his home world, so he leaves Earth for 5 years. Lex goes to court and Superman isn't there to be a witness, so his lawyers get him off? Idk... So he comes back.
I think this could have worked as a great idea to retool or kick start a dead franchise, but they made a few choices that ruined the movie. First of all, Lois looks like a 22 year old Intern at the Daily Planet, not 38 years old with a kid (5 years after Superman II. She was 33). The Superman suit looked like an homage to the 1940s Cartoon suit with the small 'S' shield and the bright blue and dark red. Again, Superman doesn't age at the rate of other humans, so Routh was fine. The plot was too hokey. Why not have Brainiac attack Earth? He's a villain not used in a Superman motion picture, plus it would make sense he sent Superman on this wild goose chase to invade Earth in his absence. |
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Post by Popeye Doyle on Jun 18, 2018 18:54:42 GMT
Highlander 2 is largely ignored by the following films.
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Jun 18, 2018 19:04:49 GMT
It was done prior in one of the very franchises you mention. Halloween H20 ignored the events of Halloween 4-6 (and 3, obviously).
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Post by kolchak92 on Jun 18, 2018 21:33:20 GMT
Exorcist III totally ignored the (awful) second film.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2018 21:49:26 GMT
It was done prior in one of the very franchises you mention. Halloween H20 ignored the events of Halloween 4-6 (and 3, obviously). So you're telling me they already tried this once in the Halloween franchise? I personally liked Rob Zombie's Halloween 2007, it was his sequel that sucked so hard... |
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Jun 18, 2018 22:07:41 GMT
It was done prior in one of the very franchises you mention. Halloween H20 ignored the events of Halloween 4-6 (and 3, obviously). So you're telling me they already tried this once in the Halloween franchise? At least. You could argue they tried it a few times. H3 ignored the first two and attempted to turn the franchise into an anthology series. 4 ignored that and was a direct sequel to the first two. H20 ignored that and was a direct sequel to the first two. The Zombie remakes of course ignored everything. Now there's this new one which is a direct sequel to 1. So many timelines. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2018 22:34:41 GMT
"Halloween" (2018) is going to be a sequel to the original and pretend the other sequels don't exist. If successful, we will see a proper T3: Terminator 3 and so on and so forth, ignoring bad sequels and just picking up where the last 'good one' left off...
However, "Superman Returns" (2006) was the first film franchise to try this if I'm not mistaken?
Bryan Singer (director) said they ignored the events of Superman III and IV. This film picks up where "Superman II" left off. Superman gets a hint that astronomers may have found remains of his home world, so he leaves Earth for 5 years. Lex goes to court and Superman isn't there to be a witness, so his lawyers get him off? Idk... So he comes back.
I think this could have worked as a great idea to retool or kick start a dead franchise, but they made a few choices that ruined the movie. First of all, Lois looks like a 22 year old Intern at the Daily Planet, not 38 years old with a kid (5 years after Superman II. She was 33). The Superman suit looked like an homage to the 1940s Cartoon suit with the small 'S' shield and the bright blue and dark red. Again, Superman doesn't age at the rate of other humans, so Routh was fine. The plot was too hokey. Why not have Brainiac attack Earth? He's a villain not used in a Superman motion picture, plus it would make sense he sent Superman on this wild goose chase to invade Earth in his absence. I didn't mind Bosworth as Lois. Better than Amy Adams, who seems in a state of constant dreariness.
But I really like the Brainiac idea. I wish they had done that.
And I like the suit Routh wore. Again, much better than Cavill's rubber suit.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2018 22:52:47 GMT
"Halloween" (2018) is going to be a sequel to the original and pretend the other sequels don't exist. If successful, we will see a proper T3: Terminator 3 and so on and so forth, ignoring bad sequels and just picking up where the last 'good one' left off...
However, "Superman Returns" (2006) was the first film franchise to try this if I'm not mistaken?
Bryan Singer (director) said they ignored the events of Superman III and IV. This film picks up where "Superman II" left off. Superman gets a hint that astronomers may have found remains of his home world, so he leaves Earth for 5 years. Lex goes to court and Superman isn't there to be a witness, so his lawyers get him off? Idk... So he comes back.
I think this could have worked as a great idea to retool or kick start a dead franchise, but they made a few choices that ruined the movie. First of all, Lois looks like a 22 year old Intern at the Daily Planet, not 38 years old with a kid (5 years after Superman II. She was 33). The Superman suit looked like an homage to the 1940s Cartoon suit with the small 'S' shield and the bright blue and dark red. Again, Superman doesn't age at the rate of other humans, so Routh was fine. The plot was too hokey. Why not have Brainiac attack Earth? He's a villain not used in a Superman motion picture, plus it would make sense he sent Superman on this wild goose chase to invade Earth in his absence. I didn't mind Bosworth as Lois. Better than Amy Adams, who seems in a state of constant dreariness.
But I really like the Brainiac idea. I wish they had done that.
And I like the suit Routh wore. Again, much better than Cavill's rubber suit.
But I think Kate Beckensale back in 2006 would have made a better Lois. She looks more mature. I just didn't like the color palate of Rouths suit. I wish the S were bigger and the red was richer. The Blue suit istself was fine. |
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Post by claudius on Jun 19, 2018 9:29:36 GMT
DRACULA 1972 AD ignored the continuity of the previous films. DRACULA (or HORROR OF...) is set in 1885, but DRACULA 1972 AD has the Count's final 19th century adventure be 1872 and not being revived until a century later. And the following film THE SATANIC RITES OF DRACULA is a direct sequel.
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Post by maxwellperfect on Jun 19, 2018 15:47:53 GMT
Godzilla Returns (1984) was a direct sequel to the original 'Gojira,' ignoring all the sequels from the 60's and 70's.
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Post by President Ackbar™ on Jun 19, 2018 16:04:02 GMT
Why not have Brainiac attack Earth? He's a villain not used in a Superman motion picture, plus it would make sense he sent Superman on this wild goose chase to invade Earth in his absence.
Because it was meant as a soft reintroduction to the Donner Universe, much like TFA was for STAR WARS. In both cases, the plan was to show the audience familiar characters, and then be free to do whatever they wanted in the next movie. Fun Fact: Singer actually planned to use a Brainiac attack in the second one. |
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Post by kolchak92 on Jun 19, 2018 19:41:42 GMT
Why not have Brainiac attack Earth? He's a villain not used in a Superman motion picture, plus it would make sense he sent Superman on this wild goose chase to invade Earth in his absence.
Because it was meant as a soft reintroduction to the Donner Universe, much like TFA was for STAR WARS. In both cases, the plan was to show the audience familiar characters, and then be free to do whatever they wanted in the next movie. Fun Fact: Singer actually planned to use a Brainiac attack in the second one. Well I think in the case of Superman Returns, it was far less plausible than in TFA. I mean, in TFA you actually had Harrison Ford, Carrie Fisher and (briefly) Mark Hamill reprising their roles. Superman Returns on the other hand presented us with some twenty-year-old girl and tried to tell us that this was in fact the exact same Lois that Margot Kidder played, which was an asinine idea. |
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Post by thisguy4000 on Jun 19, 2018 19:48:27 GMT
No. Halloween H20 already did that by ignoring films four through six. Apart from that, there’s also the Godzilla franchise, which has frequently done that as well.
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Post by moviemouth on Jun 19, 2018 20:21:55 GMT
So you're telling me they already tried this once in the Halloween franchise? At least. You could argue they tried it a few times. H3 ignored the first two and attempted to turn the franchise into an anthology series. 4 ignored that and was a direct sequel to the first two. H20 ignored that and was a direct sequel to the first two. The Zombie remakes of course ignored everything. Now there's this new one which is a direct sequel to 1. So many timelines. And then the AWFUL Halloween: Resurrection retcons the ending of Halloween H20, saying that it wasn't actually Michael Myers that Laurie killed.  |
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Post by politicidal on Jun 20, 2018 0:48:05 GMT
I agree about Lois Lane; Bosworth was far too young. It took me a moment to realize it but she was basically a discount Katie Holmes.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2018 8:12:19 GMT
No. Halloween H20 already did that by ignoring films four through six. Apart from that, there’s also the Godzilla franchise, which has frequently done that as well.  |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2018 8:19:05 GMT
No. There are a number of Horror movie franchises like 'Children of the Corn', 'Hellraiser', 'Puppet Master' and 'Silent Night, Deadly Night' that ignore the events of the previous movies and 'Silent Night, Deadly Night' went from being a movie franchise about serial killers dressed up as Santa Claus set in a real world to having demonic cults and supernatural elements in it that had nothing to do with the first two movies. 
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Jun 20, 2018 8:22:11 GMT
No. Halloween H20 already did that by ignoring films four through six. Apart from that, there’s also the Godzilla franchise, which has frequently done that as well. IIRC, that was in the treatment by Kevin Williamson but never made it off the page. It's clear in the actual film 4-6 didn't happen as everyone acts like he hasn't been seen in 20 years, with John in particular suggesting he died in the hospital fire (Laurie replies "I didn't stick around to see his ashes" - if 4-6 happened, there wouldn't be any question he survived). Resurrection reaffirms this when the insane clown guy goes over Michael's history and skips over 4-6. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2018 16:58:38 GMT
I agree about Lois Lane; Bosworth was far too young. It took me a moment to realize it but she was basically a discount Katie Holmes. She would have been fine if this were a reboot, and Clark was 25 and just starting out at the Planet, and Lois was in her 20s interning at the Planet, or maybe starting at the same time. However, a 38 year old Lois with a 5 year old kid and a Pulitzer Prize winning journalist title... She seemed way too young. |
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Jun 20, 2018 18:58:04 GMT
Highlander 2 is largely ignored by the following films.
Sure, but anything after the original should be ignored altogether. |
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