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Post by Popeye Doyle on Jun 20, 2018 3:23:21 GMT
Cons - Raptor Gymnastics Spielberg's heart really doesn't seem into it. What ate the crew of The Venture? It certainly wasn't The T-Rex.
Pros - The sequence with the trailer over the cliff Roland Tembo "Don't go into the long grass!" The dinosaurs look great
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Post by kolchak92 on Jun 20, 2018 3:40:32 GMT
Cons - No Sam Neill or Laura Dern Messy, disjointed plot with that stupid San Diego stuff at the end. No really interesting characters with the exception of Dr. Malcolm. Too much of a rehash of the original.
Pros - Excellent special effects. Julianne Moore. Jeff Goldblum gives a fairly good performance. Beautiful cinematography.
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Post by ck100 on Jun 20, 2018 3:41:50 GMT
Con - The movie goes downhill with the T-Rex getting loose in San Diego and doesn't recover
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Post by Marv on Jun 20, 2018 3:57:29 GMT
Pro... Bringing back Ian Malcolm...he was the best supporting character in JP. All of the events on the island. Roland the Dino hunter. The cliff sequence. Minimal raptor presence but maximum fear of them. The high grass moment was great.
Con... Ian’s daughter. This movie didn’t need a child. All of the events in San Diego.
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Post by ravi02 on Jun 20, 2018 4:45:32 GMT
Cons -
The so-called heroes (namely Sarah Harding and Nick Van Owen) end up causing destruction
The gymnastics scene
Unleashing the T-Rex in San Diego. I liked this scene as a kid, but it turns JP into a generic Godzilla movie.
Pros -
The opening bit with the Compys Bringing back Jeff Goldblum. Even if he works better as a side character, it's still cool to see him back.
The whole concept of a dino safari is exciting and I like how we get to see twice as many dinos.
Roland Tembo. That guy rules!
The raptors sneaking up on the men in the grass. Still, one of my favorite shots in the series.
The trailer over the cliff
The compys eat Peter Stormare
One of John William's underrated scores
The final shot of the dinos on the island with the closing shot of the Pteranodon
Overall, a fun film but it doesn't equal the original.
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Post by ck100 on Jun 20, 2018 5:01:35 GMT
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Jun 20, 2018 5:17:13 GMT
Pros:
Cliff sequence
The San Diego sequence is transparently ripping off King Kong, but...at least it's not more characters wandering through the woods for two hours
Cons:
Sarah and Nick should at the least be portrayed more morally ambiguous, let alone treated as heroes
That gymnastics scene is the dumbest scene in 5 movies
Roland is overrated. He's basically just another Muldoon
Making Malcolm the lead was a mistake. He doesn't even really feel like Malcolm anymore
Too damn long
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Post by miike80 on Jun 20, 2018 5:53:00 GMT
The trailer over the cliff sequence is my my favorite set-piece from any JP movie.
I like this movie more than most,but Goldblum's daughter wasn't needed at all
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Post by Primemovermithrax Pejorative on Jun 20, 2018 7:54:24 GMT
Cons Gymnastics interlude dog eating humor not so subtle "be a responsible parent" message--Jesus Christ, give us a break with the insincere moral lessons trailer attack goes on too long the gun left for tampering
Sarah forgetting about blood on knapsack
some cost cutting of dinosaur scenes unexplained Venture attack too many night scenes Pros: --great dinosaur sequences--round up and raptor attack especially --dinosaurs are center of story this time and given much more personality. --reformed Hammond is more interesting than obsessed Hammond in the first movie --kid (or kids) less irritating than in the first film
Ludlow - not the meanest or most interesting of villains but better than nothing and he has some good humor too like when the paleontologists start talking shop and he interrupts them
--Pete Postlethwaite (fortunate that they cut the scene which made him out to be the savior of Africans, unfortunate that they didnt include the scene to explain how the t-rex baby got injured since it made him look like an asshole-and he just leaves the movie after his Indian guide friend dies--lame) --Jeff Goldblum - he gets to play leading man and has some good lines --Vince Vaughn - interesting supporting character though just vanishes without explanation --black/ironic humor --like Sarah petting the baby stego but almost getting killed by the adults, the paleontologist who is afraid of snakes and gets chomped by the t-rex, or the asshole guy who gets attacked by the mini dinosaurs, or Eddie getting ripped in half and shared between the two tyrannosaurs, or the ending bit where the baby kills Ludlow. That was genius. Great use of CGI in that. --Good different Williams score
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Jun 20, 2018 11:29:36 GMT
Pro - The effects were incredible. The way the "story" is told, basically as an anthology of dinosaur short stories, results in some pretty amazing action/suspense sequences.
Cons - The story is truly, truly, horrible...The worst - Has one of the very rare true instances of a plothole in the boat scene
Special Racist Con - That kid was in no way shape or form a kid with a white dad. It was as offputting as Jenny was on the Jeffersons. Ian needs to get a DNA test.
They even reference in the movie a bit.
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Post by PreachCaleb on Jun 20, 2018 13:08:34 GMT
Pro - More Jeff Goldblum. That's enough for me.
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Post by politicidal on Jun 20, 2018 14:14:35 GMT
@popeye Doyle, I heard the original plot included the velociraptors escaping onto the ship. They proceeded to kill the crew.
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Post by twothousandonemark on Jun 20, 2018 14:24:04 GMT
Pro - I really liked the professional & mostly capable mass bounty hunter angle, reminds me a little of Aliens & its ship full of mercenaries.
Con - Entire final act in San Diego. Michael Bay Transformers styles.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Jun 20, 2018 17:53:08 GMT
@popeye Doyle, I heard the original plot included the velociraptors escaping onto the ship. They proceeded to kill the crew. True.
That's what makes it a true blue plothole.
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Post by drystyx on Jun 20, 2018 18:40:54 GMT
Cons: No credible characters. Two are simply throw away characters of the Frank Burns-Dr. Smith sort, simply cardboard cut outs for the audience to hate. Watching them portrayed can only make someone think that the person describing them is a delusional liar. They just don't come across believable. The other characters are also one dimensional.
No credible motivation: Which is mostly why the characters are not credible. Of all the alleged motivations throughout the movie, both in peace (before meeting man eaters) and war (after meeting man eaters), none of the motivations are credible. No "survivalist" character is going to rescue a baby predator child of a house sized man eater and carry it around and wait for the inevitable. This movie may have more examples of completely ridiculous and non credible motivation in all the characters than any other movie in History.
I, for one, could do without the idiotic dinosaur in the back yard skit. An action movie needs well timed and good comic relief. This wasn't it.
Unexplained situations. As for the ship, I figured most of the crew scrambled to life rafts or just plain into the water and tried to find makeshift rafts. Hopefully, they were picked up later. The logistics of the situation would probably mean only 2-4 would become T Rex meals, maybe a few more dead from other wounds.
Pros: Not many pros, but overall, it was good action. Thrilling. Ridiculous example of "non credible characters in incredible situations" as opposed to the superior "credible characters in incr.edible situations". But still a thrill ride.
The scientist for the bad guys was a good touch, and one of the few credible characters in the whole work. He should have had more screen time before he met the snake. And I'm not sure a naturalist would have panicked so much from a snake after being chased by a T Rex.
The friend of the great white hunter was one of the better characters. Again, the movie bores us with the one dimensional hack characters too much, and sacrifices the good ones too early. We really don't care what happens after the best characters are wiped out. That makes the rest of the movie an ordeal we just watch to make the others watching with us happy.
Second weakest of the series. Not as poor as Jurassic World, but still only 4/10. The high octane non stop action made it lively enough to keep from being 3/10
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Post by James on Jun 20, 2018 23:18:06 GMT
Pros: -The amped up kills. -That entire cliff sequence is intense. -Malcolm's front role helps develop his character. -The T-rex roaming around in San Diego.
Cons: -"Sarah!" -Kung Fu + Raptor = No-no -More boring than III.
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Post by Anonymous Andy on Jun 20, 2018 23:50:36 GMT
Pros: - Dark tone throughout most of the film - Dinos look great - Trailer sequence is well done
Cons: - Julianne Moore's performance is really off, which is unusual for her - Too long, too many endings - I don't know what character Goldblum is playing, but it's not the same Ian Malcolm from the original - David Koepp discarded a pretty solid novel and filled the script with a bunch of nonsensical crap
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