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Post by azzajones on Jun 20, 2018 6:31:01 GMT
From IGN.com
I don't imagine the 4 will proceed, it'll probably be 1 or 2.
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Post by MCDemuth on Jun 20, 2018 14:27:20 GMT
I just read a similar announcement on Space.com, about Four Or More New Shows In The Works...
Most of these ideas don't sound very good.
Starfleet Academy? Sounds boring.
A "Wrath Of Khan" Mini Series? I can't fathom how that would work.
An animated series? I don't recall that the one from the 1970s did all that well, and that was like a continuation of the original TV Show. Although I personally liked some of those episodes... I don't see this new one being all that popular, especially if it is aimed at younger audiences.
A sequel to "Star Trek: The Next Generation"? As in something like a continuation picking up after Star Trek NEMESIS?... Such as: "TNG the Senior Citizen Years"? I think that is doomed to failure.
Now, if we are talking about a show involving an Enterprise crew taking place 80 Years after TNG and the Enterprise E... That might work.
But this all sounds too much like what Disney has done to "Star Wars"...
Too many products, involving too many crappy ideas being rushed into production. It will ruin the franchise.
And "For Television"? That BS, if you can only see them online. Online streaming is not TV!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2018 22:50:21 GMT
From IGN.com I don't imagine the 4 will proceed, it'll probably be 1 or 2. I have no interest in the Starfleet Academy. What we have seen so far is plenty.
The Khan storyline? Unless they can find an actor as good as Montalban (they won't) then it's a bad idea.
I wouldn't mind them trying a new animated series. At least one that breaks the Star Trek mold of series since STTNG.
I still don't know why they can't reanimate the original TAS. They have the voices. Just create better animation. I would buy that. It's a good series.
They should look at Discovery, look at all they did wrong, then correct it. Then they might have a quality series. Discovery, for all its technical achievements, is lacking in so many other areas, most of which were predictable and preventable.
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Post by Jayman on Jun 20, 2018 23:10:37 GMT
I have not watched Discovery so I have a lot to catch up on.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2018 0:46:46 GMT
I have not watched Discovery so I have a lot to catch up on. I did. Out of sheer morbid curiosity. I'm sorry I did. You'd be well advised not to. As for these shows... I wish I could get excited about them. This could be such an great time to be a Trek fan, but instead we're watching a corporation hack the franchise to pieces and erect a mountain of shit in its place. Looking at the last year, I cannot view anything further with "Star Trek" on it as being a good idea. Star Trek died this year. RIP.
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Post by Jayman on Jun 21, 2018 0:51:34 GMT
I have not watched Discovery so I have a lot to catch up on. I did. Out of sheer morbid curiosity. I'm sorry I did. You'd be well advised not to. As for these shows... I wish I could get excited about them. This could be such an great time to be a Trek fan, but instead we're watching a corporation hack the franchise to pieces and erect a mountain of shit in its place. Looking at the last year, I cannot view anything further with "Star Trek" on it as being a good idea. Star Trek died this year. RIP. But what is it that you don't like about the series in general? You don't have to get too specific since I have not watched a single episode.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2018 1:29:51 GMT
I did. Out of sheer morbid curiosity. I'm sorry I did. You'd be well advised not to. As for these shows... I wish I could get excited about them. This could be such an great time to be a Trek fan, but instead we're watching a corporation hack the franchise to pieces and erect a mountain of shit in its place. Looking at the last year, I cannot view anything further with "Star Trek" on it as being a good idea. Star Trek died this year. RIP. But what is it that you don't like about the series in general? You don't have to get too specific since I have not watched a single episode. (Okay, it turned out I got specific. Sorry about that, but I started to vent and then I got a bit carried away. Spoilers!) Everything about it looks and feels inappropriate for the time and place it is claimed to be set in. Discovery doesn't look like a ship of that era. It's also a hideously fugly design. The uniforms, weapons, everything about it just looks wrong and bad. As a minor example, they stick the shield logo all over everything. But at this point in history, the shield logo was the logo of the USS Enterprise. By TNG it became the logo for all of Starfleet, but that hadn't happened yet. The people making this show don't know what they're doing. Or, more likely, don't know and don't care. The special effects look expensive, but are frequently pointless and poorly executed. This is the kind of show that loves to stage battles where you can't tell what's happening, where there's absolutely no sense of threat or danger, no weight to the proceedings. There's a huge battle in the pilot episodes, and it's just so utterly boring. It's the "throw CGI shit on the screen, if it's fast and complicated it must be good!" school of effects. And it's not a one-off - that's how they do most every battle on the show. Oh, and as a more glaring example, they've decided for no reason whatsoever to change the Klingon design. AGAIN. The last time this was done it took the franchise years and years to sort it out. And having done so, the Discovery people just thought "screw it, let's make them all different again. Why not?" All this, and they go around bragging about how they are keeping things in line with canon. Which, again, either they don't know what they're talking about or they're just plain lying. Most recently they decided to call it a "visual reboot", which so far as I know isn't even a thing that exists. Then most of the characters are awful. I despise Michael Burnham, who is a disobedient, disloyal, traitorous imbecile. She's one of those characters where the writers can't be bothered, or don't know how, to make her a good character, so instead they depict her horribly but then have all the characters around her go on about how wonderful she is. So instead of "Kirk is awesome, look how he bluffed the Romulans in that episode!" we get "Burnham is awesome... because even though she's not, people keep saying she is!" It also royally screws over Sarek and Spock by the utterly unnecessary move of making Burnham Sarek's adopted daughter. And Sarek apparently really likes and supports his daughter, who is in Starfleet. This at a point in time when he was refusing to speak to or have anything to do with his son, Spock... because he joined Starfleet. So Sarek is a raging hypocrite now, and Spock is estranged from a father who nevertheless dotes on his daughter, who did the same thing Spock did. Christ alone knows what the point of that is - the show seems determined to constantly shoehorn random things from TOS into it, always in ridiculous ways, presumably in hopes that people like me would go "Oh, Sarek is in it, he's always great so this must be a good show." When my actual reaction is "Oh look, they're screwing Sarek's character up as well now." Oh, and because they once mind melded, Burnham can make telepathic telephone calls to Sarek whenever she likes, from thousands of light years away. Which is just yet another pointless and utterly fucking stupid idea. Then there's how they screwed up Harry Mudd, who was a criminal but generally rather buffoonish and mostly harmless sort of a person, but in Discovery is a traitorous mass murdering psychopath. I'd complain about how they bollixed up the Mirror Universe, but meh. DS9 bollixed it up worse. Only TOS and Enterprise ever got the Mirror Universe remotely right. And honestly, that's just a fraction of what's wrong with this show. I haven't even touched on sonar that works in space, on the bulk of the characters being so boring and undeveloped that they don't even have names for most of the season (so we can have more time to have people talk about how fantastic Burnham-the-traitor is), with people in fandom literally having to talk about them as "the girl with the thing on her face" and "the person who might be wearing a helmet or is possibly a robot". Or the fact that one of the major plot devices of the whole series is a new type of space drive that works via mushrooms. Yes, seriously. Mushrooms. That spread out in a network across the universe. Because, presumably, it was the winner of a writer's "most idiotic thing you can think of" competition. And I could STILL go on. This is literally one of the worst excuses for a television show I have ever seen.
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Post by Jayman on Jun 21, 2018 2:40:18 GMT
But what is it that you don't like about the series in general? You don't have to get too specific since I have not watched a single episode. (Okay, it turned out I got specific. Sorry about that, but I started to vent and then I got a bit carried away. Spoilers!) Everything about it looks and feels inappropriate for the time and place it is claimed to be set in. Discovery doesn't look like a ship of that era. It's also a hideously fugly design. The uniforms, weapons, everything about it just looks wrong and bad. As a minor example, they stick the shield logo all over everything. But at this point in history, the shield logo was the logo of the USS Enterprise. By TNG it became the logo for all of Starfleet, but that hadn't happened yet. The people making this show don't know what they're doing. Or, more likely, don't know and don't care. The special effects look expensive, but are frequently pointless and poorly executed. This is the kind of show that loves to stage battles where you can't tell what's happening, where there's absolutely no sense of threat or danger, no weight to the proceedings. There's a huge battle in the pilot episodes, and it's just so utterly boring. It's the "throw CGI shit on the screen, if it's fast and complicated it must be good!" school of effects. And it's not a one-off - that's how they do most every battle on the show. Oh, and as a more glaring example, they've decided for no reason whatsoever to change the Klingon design. AGAIN. The last time this was done it took the franchise years and years to sort it out. And having done so, the Discovery people just thought "screw it, let's make them all different again. Why not?" All this, and they go around bragging about how they are keeping things in line with canon. Which, again, either they don't know what they're talking about or they're just plain lying. Most recently they decided to call it a "visual reboot", which so far as I know isn't even a thing that exists. Then most of the characters are awful. I despise Michael Burnham, who is a disobedient, disloyal, traitorous imbecile. She's one of those characters where the writers can't be bothered, or don't know how, to make her a good character, so instead they depict her horribly but then have all the characters around her go on about how wonderful she is. So instead of "Kirk is awesome, look how he bluffed the Romulans in that episode!" we get "Burnham is awesome... because even though she's not, people keep saying she is!" It also royally screws over Sarek and Spock by the utterly unnecessary move of making Burnham Sarek's adopted daughter. And Sarek apparently really likes and supports his daughter, who is in Starfleet. This at a point in time when he was refusing to speak to or have anything to do with his son, Spock... because he joined Starfleet. So Sarek is a raging hypocrite now, and Spock is estranged from a father who nevertheless dotes on his daughter, who did the same thing Spock did. Christ alone knows what the point of that is - the show seems determined to constantly shoehorn random things from TOS into it, always in ridiculous ways, presumably in hopes that people like me would go "Oh, Sarek is in it, he's always great so this must be a good show." When my actual reaction is "Oh look, they're screwing Sarek's character up as well now." Oh, and because they once mind melded, Burnham can make telepathic telephone calls to Sarek whenever she likes, from thousands of light years away. Which is just yet another pointless and utterly fucking stupid idea. Then there's how they screwed up Harry Mudd, who was a criminal but generally rather buffoonish and mostly harmless sort of a person, but in Discovery is a traitorous mass murdering psychopath. I'd complain about how they bollixed up the Mirror Universe, but meh. DS9 bollixed it up worse. Only TOS and Enterprise ever got the Mirror Universe remotely right. And honestly, that's just a fraction of what's wrong with this show. I haven't even touched on sonar that works in space, on the bulk of the characters being so boring and undeveloped that they don't even have names for most of the season (so we can have more time to have people talk about how fantastic Burnham-the-traitor is), with people in fandom literally having to talk about them as "the girl with the thing on her face" and "the person who might be wearing a helmet or is possibly a robot". Or the fact that one of the major plot devices of the whole series is a new type of space drive that works via mushrooms. Yes, seriously. Mushrooms. That spread out in a network across the universe. Because, presumably, it was the winner of a writer's "most idiotic thing you can think of" competition. And I could STILL go on. This is literally one of the worst excuses for a television show I have ever seen. I appreciate you taking the time graham. Sounds to me like it's a mess and not much continuity. Almost like they try to throw bones to the diehard trek fans, but at the same time they bungle that too. And if the characters aren't compelling to you then that's doubly bad. Somebody also said there was a lot of political stuff thrown at the viewers too. That is something that I would not tolerate in a show either. So with all you're saying and in combination with that, I believe I will hold off on viewing this series. Though maybe I should watch one episode in the future, who knows. I am just far behind with Trek. I have not watched the last movie yet and there was a couple of fan productions I was t thinking of checking out. Thanks again
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Post by DarkManX on Jun 24, 2018 16:10:43 GMT
I recall that Starfleet Academy idea being thrown around once before. It sounds like a terrible idea as does the Wrath of Khan series. I assume it would be their time spent on the planet before being found by the Reliant.
A TNG continuation is a day late and a dollar short. Brent Spiner couldn't be Data again, he's too old. They're all too old. Also, everything that can be done with the TNG universe has been done.
Star Trek needs a series set hundreds of years after TNG. A new Enterprise and new technology. TNG had a good run with two spin off's, but it's time to let it go and move on.
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Post by azzajones on Jun 26, 2018 6:49:08 GMT
I've some recollection reading in the past that Gene Roddenberry was opposed to a Starfleet academy series, I'm not fond of the idea either. I'm not sure anyone besides Nich Meyer wants the Khan series. An animated version of TNG could be cool, set it in between Generations & Nemesis all of the TNG actors would still be able to provide their voices to the show.
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Post by kleinreturns on Aug 24, 2018 22:50:39 GMT
None of those shows seems good at all.
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Post by azzajones on Aug 25, 2018 21:41:04 GMT
It suddenly occurred to me: Alex Kurtzman who did such a good job with the Dark Universe is now in charge of the Trek Universe, that bodes well.
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Post by HorrorMetal on Nov 29, 2018 16:30:48 GMT
None of those sound very good.
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Post by taylorfirst1 on Nov 30, 2018 20:48:49 GMT
And "For Television"? That BS, if you can only see them online. Online streaming is not TV!Thank you!
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Post by taylorfirst1 on Jan 2, 2019 21:43:52 GMT
But what is it that you don't like about the series in general? You don't have to get too specific since I have not watched a single episode. (Okay, it turned out I got specific. Sorry about that, but I started to vent and then I got a bit carried away. Spoilers!) Everything about it looks and feels inappropriate for the time and place it is claimed to be set in. Discovery doesn't look like a ship of that era. It's also a hideously fugly design. The uniforms, weapons, everything about it just looks wrong and bad. As a minor example, they stick the shield logo all over everything. But at this point in history, the shield logo was the logo of the USS Enterprise. By TNG it became the logo for all of Starfleet, but that hadn't happened yet. The people making this show don't know what they're doing. Or, more likely, don't know and don't care. The special effects look expensive, but are frequently pointless and poorly executed. This is the kind of show that loves to stage battles where you can't tell what's happening, where there's absolutely no sense of threat or danger, no weight to the proceedings. There's a huge battle in the pilot episodes, and it's just so utterly boring. It's the "throw CGI shit on the screen, if it's fast and complicated it must be good!" school of effects. And it's not a one-off - that's how they do most every battle on the show. Oh, and as a more glaring example, they've decided for no reason whatsoever to change the Klingon design. AGAIN. The last time this was done it took the franchise years and years to sort it out. And having done so, the Discovery people just thought "screw it, let's make them all different again. Why not?" All this, and they go around bragging about how they are keeping things in line with canon. Which, again, either they don't know what they're talking about or they're just plain lying. Most recently they decided to call it a "visual reboot", which so far as I know isn't even a thing that exists. Then most of the characters are awful. I despise Michael Burnham, who is a disobedient, disloyal, traitorous imbecile. She's one of those characters where the writers can't be bothered, or don't know how, to make her a good character, so instead they depict her horribly but then have all the characters around her go on about how wonderful she is. So instead of "Kirk is awesome, look how he bluffed the Romulans in that episode!" we get "Burnham is awesome... because even though she's not, people keep saying she is!" It also royally screws over Sarek and Spock by the utterly unnecessary move of making Burnham Sarek's adopted daughter. And Sarek apparently really likes and supports his daughter, who is in Starfleet. This at a point in time when he was refusing to speak to or have anything to do with his son, Spock... because he joined Starfleet. So Sarek is a raging hypocrite now, and Spock is estranged from a father who nevertheless dotes on his daughter, who did the same thing Spock did. Christ alone knows what the point of that is - the show seems determined to constantly shoehorn random things from TOS into it, always in ridiculous ways, presumably in hopes that people like me would go "Oh, Sarek is in it, he's always great so this must be a good show." When my actual reaction is "Oh look, they're screwing Sarek's character up as well now." Oh, and because they once mind melded, Burnham can make telepathic telephone calls to Sarek whenever she likes, from thousands of light years away. Which is just yet another pointless and utterly fucking stupid idea. Then there's how they screwed up Harry Mudd, who was a criminal but generally rather buffoonish and mostly harmless sort of a person, but in Discovery is a traitorous mass murdering psychopath. I'd complain about how they bollixed up the Mirror Universe, but meh. DS9 bollixed it up worse. Only TOS and Enterprise ever got the Mirror Universe remotely right. And honestly, that's just a fraction of what's wrong with this show. I haven't even touched on sonar that works in space, on the bulk of the characters being so boring and undeveloped that they don't even have names for most of the season (so we can have more time to have people talk about how fantastic Burnham-the-traitor is), with people in fandom literally having to talk about them as "the girl with the thing on her face" and "the person who might be wearing a helmet or is possibly a robot". Or the fact that one of the major plot devices of the whole series is a new type of space drive that works via mushrooms. Yes, seriously. Mushrooms. That spread out in a network across the universe. Because, presumably, it was the winner of a writer's "most idiotic thing you can think of" competition. And I could STILL go on. This is literally one of the worst excuses for a television show I have ever seen. I binge watched the first season this weekend (borrowed the DVD set from the library) and sadly, I agree with everything you said here. I could add a bunch of other problems to your list but I know you could do that too and it's not worth the effort, frankly.
I gave the show a 5/10 on IMDB but I was being generous. My thought process was; the cast is pretty good, the SFX are good, some of the action scenes are good. If they weren't bastardizing Star Trek, it might be decent.
I also watched all of the special features on the DVDs. This made it even worse. There was actually an interview with somebody on the show (writer, producer, somebody important) who stated that there was never a season of a Star Trek series set against a backdrop of war before!
So this person has never watched DS9 or Enterprise apparently!
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Post by stargazer1682 on Jan 13, 2019 21:08:04 GMT
Ugh, this has to be what Star Trek hell looks like; something that resembles an all you can eat buffet that turns out just be piles and piles of steaming steam shit. More than anything, I feel like this is going to over saturate the franchise and lead to depress the brand again. I watched the pilot of Discovery and had mixed feelings if, when and how I would watch the rest of the series. There was no way in hell I was getting the streaming service, so it was either wait for it to come out on DVD (and rent it from the library) or find some other site online that was streaming it secondhand, and I didn't feel particularly motivated to do either. That feeling only increased the more I read about what was going on in the series. The real kick in the nuts is the fact that, just from a legal, technical standpoint, this show can't exist in the original continuity; which could maybe at least help, to be able to sit back and disconnect yourself from what preconceptions about what should be and just let it be whatever it is, but they can't have the decency to be upfront about that fact and instead keep it ambiguous as to how it fits in with anything. The vast majority of the rest of these shows are Meh. I have no problem with animated shows, there are a plenty of goods ones out there, particularly those aimed at adults. I love Archer and I just finished rewatching Futurama, catching a handful of newer episodes for the first time. But in this case I have a hard time wanting to watch a Star Trek animated series. I know it's been done before, continuity for which residing somewhere this side of limbo, but there's just something about the idea of it that takes me out of the story; I want to see actual people treking through the stars. It just doesn't seem right otherwise. It makes me think of the the Arrow-verse shows and the occasional animated series they tossed out, which seemed more like a half-assed measure to churn out material without investing in actually producing in a full series. That's probably a gross over simplification. Star Fleet Academcy as a series goes back to like the late '90s/early 2000s, before Enterprise was announced; and it was always described, or at least the description came off at the time as basically 90210 with aliens. The only difference now probably being a less dated, but still viable comparison to any other teen angst drama about good looking people having sex every five minutes; with the occasional trendy, non-sexual related conflict thrown in. With Kurtzman involved with the Picard series (or generally, any of these shows), I'm not overly optimistic about what to expect for quality. Just earlier today I read an interview with him where he compared DS9 to Voyager and suggested that fans got bored with it, because the two were too similar....
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Post by azzajones on Jan 19, 2019 3:54:45 GMT
Kurtzman thinks Trek fans got bored of Trek, in that case he probably also thinks the Dark Universe failed because people were bored of the concept.
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