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Post by teleadm on Mar 18, 2017 16:13:39 GMT
First a clip from a Lucy show: www.youtube.com/watch?v=5YMPNNWnU7gAfter all she once won an Oscar and she helped with Fred Astaire set that standards of what was once musicals, with great tunesmiths, A Fine Romance, The Continental, Let's Call the whole thing Off (somewhere in america they might spell potatoes as potaaaatoes). Thanks to Ginger I now know what an Ocarina is (clay flute) She worked with most of Hollywoods leading men of the time Fred Astaire, Ray Milland, Cary Grant, James Stewart, Jean Pierre Aumont, and even Dennis Morgan By 1965 Ginger and movies had separated. |
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Post by bess1971s on Mar 18, 2017 18:09:20 GMT
Stage Door,Primrose Path,Roxie Hart, The Major and the Minor,Bachelor Mother,Vivacious Lady, Monkey Business are my favorites.
I like her much better in comedies where she was wise cracking and in charge. The musicals with Astaire never did much for me.
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Post by teleadm on Mar 18, 2017 20:00:41 GMT
Stage Door,Primrose Path,Roxie Hart, The Major and the Minor,Bachelor Mother,Vivacious Lady, Monkey Business are my favorites. I like her much better in comedies where she was wise cracking and in charge. The musicals with Astaire never did much for me. I agree, she was a great wise cracker in commedies, and in some dramas too, like Storm Warning 1951 as Doris Day's sister. |
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Post by divtal on Mar 18, 2017 20:04:32 GMT
I agree. (I also prefer Astaire in the later MGMs.)
Stage Door is my favorite among those films that offer the snappy dialogue. Of course, for great sarcastic exchanges, the team of Rogers, Hepburn, Ball and Arden is hard to beat.
I tried to isolate one of her lines from SD ... ("If you ladies will excuse me, I have to take the wolf hounds for a stroll.") ... but I couldn't find it.
I'm not familiar with Primrose Path, but I intend to remedy that in the very near future. Thanks.
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Post by petrolino on Sept 16, 2017 1:11:19 GMT
So many to choose from, it's tough. I like pictures I've seen from the early 1930s like 'The Thirteenth Guest' (1932), '42nd Street' (1933), 'Golddiggers Of 1933' (1933), 'A Shriek In The Night' (1933), she had such a vibrant persona to go with her many talents. Also, 'Stage Door' (1937), 'Vivacious Lady' (1938), 'Kitty Foyle' (1940), 'Roxie Hart' (1942), 'The Major And The Minor' (1942), 'Tender Comrade' (1943), 'Lady In The Dark' (1944) and 'Tight Spot' (1955).
One I'd like to see is 'Black Widow' (1955).
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Post by koskiewicz on Sept 16, 2017 16:10:42 GMT
...when she sang in pig Latin in one of Busby Berkeley's fantastic musicals...that is my favorite single moment with Ginger. I love all of her movies...
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Post by louise on Sept 20, 2017 12:59:06 GMT
I like her in Flying down to rio, the gay Divorce, and Top Hat. don't particularly care for any of the films she made without Fred astaire.
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Post by petrolino on Sept 28, 2017 20:32:16 GMT
I finally caught up with 'Black Widow' (1954) and have to say I was thoroughly disappointed. It's surprisingly flat, intrusive melodramatic musical cues aside. I expected a light mystery but it gets bogged down in leaden soap opera. A talented ensemble cast led by Van Heflin, Peggy Ann Garner, Gene Tierney, George Raft and Rogers phones it in with a broken handset. Not much good to say about this one, I'm afraid. Still, glad I was able to see it.
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Post by Wesley Crusher on Sept 28, 2017 20:53:40 GMT
Swing Time 
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Post by MCDemuth on Sept 28, 2017 21:11:56 GMT
teleadm : "She was a great ... and in some dramas too, like Storm Warning 1951 as Doris Day's sister." I agree. I think her performance in "Storm Waring" (1951) was one of her best performances. I finally caught up with 'Black Widow' (1954) and have to say I was thoroughly disappointed. It's surprisingly flat, intrusive melodramatic musical cues aside. I expected a light mystery but it gets bogged down in leaden soap opera. A talented ensemble cast led by Van Heflin, Peggy Ann Garner, Gene Tierney, George Raft and Rogers phones it in with a broken handset. Not much good to say about this one, I'm afraid. Still, glad I was able to see it. As I understand, the biggest problem concerning Miss Rogers performance in "Black Widow" (1954), was the fact her character was originally intentionally written to be played by another actress. And actress (sorry I can't remember her name) that was usually known for playing snotty and snobby characters. She turned down the role after the part was already written. Then for some strange reason, the production team, turned to Miss Rogers, and asked her to play a role that she was not known for usually playing. She actually turned down the role a couple of times, but finally agreed to do the part. ( I think someone she knew was begging her to play that role which is why she finally said yes.) Sadly, the role was not re-written for Miss Rogers at all... So she basically came in and performed an impression of this other actress in front of the camera... and I do believe she tried to play the part as best as she could... She just fell victim to being miscast. With that in mind, You can't really blame Miss Rogers... Still, there were a couple of moments in the film where she was great...
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Post by petrolino on Sept 28, 2017 21:15:32 GMT
teleadm : "She was a great ... and in some dramas too, like Storm Warning 1951 as Doris Day's sister." I agree. I think her performance in "Storm Waring" (1951) was one of her best performances. I finally caught up with 'Black Widow' (1954) and have to say I was thoroughly disappointed. It's surprisingly flat, intrusive melodramatic musical cues aside. I expected a light mystery but it gets bogged down in leaden soap opera. A talented ensemble cast led by Van Heflin, Peggy Ann Garner, Gene Tierney, George Raft and Rogers phones it in with a broken handset. Not much good to say about this one, I'm afraid. Still, glad I was able to see it. As I understand, the biggest problem concerning Miss Rogers performance in "Black Widow" (1954), was the fact her character was originally intentionally written to be played by another actress. And actress (sorry I can't remember her name) that was usually known for playing snotty and snobby characters. She turned down the role after the part was already written. Then for some strange reason, the production team, turned to Miss Rogers, and asked her to play a role that she was not known for usually playing. She actually turned down the role a couple of times, but finally agreed to do the part. ( I think someone she knew was begging her to play that role which is why she finally said yes.) Sadly, the role was not re-written for Miss Rogers at all... So she basically came in and performed an impression of this other actress in front of the camera... and I do believe she tried to play the part as best as she could... She just fell victim to be miscast. With that in mind, You can't really blame Miss Rogers... Still, there were a couple of moments in the film were she was great... Interesting background info, thanks. I wouldn't blame Rogers for me not liking it. I just found the film itself to be really uninvolving. |
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Post by Nalkarj on Sept 28, 2017 21:29:25 GMT
The Fred & Ginger films are wonderful, of course, yet whenever I think of Ginger alone, two other scenes come to mind:  (Yes, I know that's not the line that goes with this scene, but I couldn't find a picture from The Major and the Minor on the train.) ... and...  What can I say? I like to laugh?  |
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Post by teleadm on Sept 29, 2017 14:59:16 GMT
Nalkarj petrolino And all others offcourse! By the mid 1950's Ginger Rogers movie career seems to been in a lull. Seeing an episode of What's My Line? at around that time, the moderator mentions a new movie she's made called Twist of Fate (aka Beautiful Stranger 1954) and she she reacts like she didn't care about that movie at all (Made in Britain), but lights up and mentioned that she played with Jacques Bergerac, whom she married: 
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Post by petrolino on Sept 29, 2017 17:09:59 GMT
Nalkarj petrolino And all others offcourse! By the mid 1950's Ginger Rogers movie career seems to been in a lull. Seeing an episode of What's My Line? at around that time, the moderator mentions a new movie she's made called Twist of Fate (aka Beautiful Stranger 1954) and she she reacts like she didn't care about that movie at all (Made in Britain), but lights up and mentioned that she played with Jacques Bergerac, whom she married: Jacques Bergerac also married Dorothy Malone around that time. Lucky guy. |
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Post by MCDemuth on Sept 29, 2017 20:23:08 GMT
Miss Rogers mentioned in her Autobiography, She had been VERY close friends with Cary Grant for years and thought their relationship could eventually lead to marriage... But when she met Jacques Bergerac, she was forced to make probably one of the most difficult choices in her life, which relationship to pursue. She must have really be in love with Jacques Bergerac, at the time, because she chose him over Cary Grant... Jacques Bergerac also married Dorothy Malone around that time. Lucky guy. He may have been a Lucky Guy, but Ginger got the shaft... Then Ginger wrote in her Autobiography, she was heartbroken when she found out that Jacques had been unfaithful to her. Of course the marriage ended shortly there after... And Ginger was never able to have an opportunity to rekindle the romance with Cary Grant, because he had remarried by then. I read a rumor that (I think it was) Dorothy Malone, accused Jacques Bergerac of marrying her, as well as Miss Rogers, as a means to have and acting career in Hollywood... and If I recall right, "Twist of Fate" aka "Beautiful Stranger" (1954) was his first acting role, which he got, after Miss Rogers met him, and he came to the states so they could be a couple. Coincidence? Maybe... Meanwhile, Ginger then married her last husband, who lied to her to get her to marry him, by claiming drinking alcohol wasn't important to him, but then unsuccessfully hid numerous bottles around the house. She still tried to make the marriage work, and starred in one of her last films, which her husband directed, called "Confession" (1964), but, it didn't see the light of day, until about a decade later when it was finally released under the title of " Quick Let's Get Married" which is available on DVD (Stupid Title, By The Way)... About the time she made the movie, the marriage began to fail, when the sleazeball had the nerve to bring his mistress to the house one time while Ginger was there, and then he later stole some of her jewelry from Ginger's safe deposit box, and then stole her car... She finally had enough and that was the end of her final marriage. I think, she should have chosen a life with Cary Grant instead. |
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Post by petrolino on Sept 29, 2017 20:25:23 GMT
Miss Rogers mentioned in her Autobiography, She had been VERY close friends with Cary Grant for years and thought their relationship could eventually lead to marriage... But when she met Jacques Bergerac, she was forced to make probably one of the most difficult choices in her life, which relationship to pursue. She must have really be in love with Jacques Bergerac, at the time, because she chose him over Cary Grant... Jacques Bergerac also married Dorothy Malone around that time. Lucky guy. He may have been a Lucky Guy, but Ginger got the shaft... Then Ginger wrote in her Autobiography, she was heartbroken when she found out that Jacques had been unfaithful to her. Of course the marriage ended shortly there after... And Ginger was never able to have an opportunity to rekindle the romance with Cary Grant, because he had remarried by then. I read a rumor that (I think it was) Dorothy Malone, accused Jacques Bergerac of marrying her, as well as Miss Rogers, as a means to have and acting career in Hollywood... and If I recall right, "Twist of Fate" aka "Beautiful Stranger" (1954) was his first acting role, which he got, after Miss Rogers met him, and he came to the states so they could be a couple. Coincidence? Maybe... Meanwhile, Ginger then married her last husband, who lied to her to get her to marry him, by claiming drinking alcohol wasn't important to him, but then unsuccessfully hid numerous bottles around the house. She still tried to make the marriage work, and starred in one of her last films, which her husband directed, called "Confession" (1964), but, it didn't see the light of day, until about a decade later when it was finally released under the title of " Quick Let's Get Married" which is available on DVD (Stupid Title, By The Way)... About the time she made the movie, the marriage began to fail, when the sleazeball had the nerve to bring his mistress to the house one time while Ginger was there, and then he later stole some of her jewelry from Ginger's safe deposit box, and then stole her car... She finally had enough and that was the end of her final marriage. I think, she should have chosen a life with Cary Grant instead. Their twisted relationship reads like the plot of a miniseries. |
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