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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2018 15:00:35 GMT
Than why is handball (also known as team handball, fieldball, European handball or Olympic handball) not more popular in the US ?
Handball games always have 20 or more goals in a game.
I don`t care if its a stupid question. I am asking it anyway.
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Post by tristramshandy on Jun 20, 2018 15:28:42 GMT
I'm not sure why that one never caught on. It's fun to watch during the Olympics.
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Post by masterofallgoons on Jun 20, 2018 16:00:39 GMT
I don`t care if its a stupid question. I am asking it anyway. Fair enough, as long as you only expect stupid answers.
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Post by Terrapin Station on Jun 20, 2018 16:04:49 GMT
Americans like people who can afford to buy racquets.
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Post by Larcen26 on Jun 20, 2018 16:13:00 GMT
Americans love high scoring sports This often gets said, but I don't really think it's accurate. Basketball scores high. Football scores high but only because of the 7 points thing. Ultimately a football game is 4 touchdowns vs. 3 touchdowns. But Baseball and Hockey aren't high scoring sports.
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Post by deviates on Jun 20, 2018 16:27:22 GMT
Is about high scoring, or is it attention span? American football has plays that last less than a minute before being reset, baseball is only 3 strikes for each batsman (whatever the hell you call them in the US), basketball someone scores every minute or so, and ice hockey is pretty much all action, only stopping for face offs.
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Post by NJtoTX on Jun 20, 2018 16:30:27 GMT
Yeah, basketball, I suppose. Football isn't actually high scoring. A 21-17 game is 3 scores apiece - the winning team got 3 touchdowns, the losing team 2 touchdowns and a field goal. A field goal is essentially just under half a score.
It's like a soccer game that's 3 to 2 1/2.
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Post by Larcen26 on Jun 20, 2018 16:39:15 GMT
Is about high scoring, or is it attention span? American football has plays that last less than a minute before being reset, baseball is only 3 strikes for each batsman (whatever the hell you call them in the US), basketball someone scores every minute or so, and ice hockey is pretty much all action, only stopping for face offs. (Since this thread is ostensibly about why American's don't like Soccer) I don't know about it being an attention span thing. And I can't say why in the 1900's Soccer didn't have the same development as the "Big 4" over here. But for today's audiences, I see soccer not really catching on for a couple of reasons: 1. There's too much competition for athletic viewership, and our best athletes don't become Soccer players. 2. The lack of a fixed game clock drives most viewers nuts. ("We're just supposed to trust the referee?" 3. Taking dives is too rampant. It goes against how the US likes to see it's athletes. #1 is the most important one though.
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Post by deviates on Jun 20, 2018 16:44:33 GMT
Is about high scoring, or is it attention span? American football has plays that last less than a minute before being reset, baseball is only 3 strikes for each batsman (whatever the hell you call them in the US), basketball someone scores every minute or so, and ice hockey is pretty much all action, only stopping for face offs. (Since this thread is ostensibly about why American's don't like Soccer) I don't know about it being an attention span thing. And I can't say why in the 1900's Soccer didn't have the same development as the "Big 4" over here. But for today's audiences, I see soccer not really catching on for a couple of reasons: 1. There's too much competition for athletic viewership, and our best athletes don't become Soccer players. 2. The lack of a fixed game clock drives most viewers nuts. ("We're just supposed to trust the referee?" 3. Taking dives is too rampant. It goes against how the US likes to see it's athletes. #1 is the most important one though. I was being facetious to a point, though it is interesting how the major American sports are structured. Football/soccer isn't my main sport of focus (it's probably 3rd) so I agree with point 3- the diving in particular has turned me off completely. Do you think the structure of American sports (more breaks and therefore more advertising) lend themselves better exposure when compared to football/soccer?
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Post by Larcen26 on Jun 20, 2018 16:48:34 GMT
(Since this thread is ostensibly about why American's don't like Soccer) I don't know about it being an attention span thing. And I can't say why in the 1900's Soccer didn't have the same development as the "Big 4" over here. But for today's audiences, I see soccer not really catching on for a couple of reasons: 1. There's too much competition for athletic viewership, and our best athletes don't become Soccer players. 2. The lack of a fixed game clock drives most viewers nuts. ("We're just supposed to trust the referee?" 3. Taking dives is too rampant. It goes against how the US likes to see it's athletes. #1 is the most important one though. I was being facetious to a point, though it is interesting how the major American sports are structured. Football/soccer isn't my main sport of focus (it's probably 3rd) so I agree with point 3- the diving in particular has turned me off completely. Do you think the structure of American sports (more breaks and therefore more advertising) lend themselves better exposure when compared to football/soccer? To an extent, yes. All the other sports go better with television than Soccer. That's an excellent point, and is probably just as important as my #1 above. Golf even works better on television than Soccer. So the rise would probably be inexorably linked to that...the NFL certainly understands TV...which is one of the reasons it is so big over here...along with the short season.
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Post by Terrapin Station on Jun 20, 2018 16:52:32 GMT
I think what are perceived as snobby attitudes around the world re soccer compared to American sports doesn't help, either. People get a chip on their shoulder about it. They watch a soccer game and go--sarcastically--"Oh, yeah, this is really a lot more exciting than (American) football . . .pffft. ". Or they say, which is something I've said, too, even though I like soccer: "Wait a minute. Play does stop here. What's that nonsense about it being nonstop? It's just that the clock doesn't stop. That doesn't mean that play doesn't stop. We could just keep the clock going all the time in football, hockey, basketball etc. too."
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Jun 20, 2018 17:30:02 GMT
We don't love high scoring or low scoring sports. We love our sports. Same as Europeans love their sports. We grew up with baseball, football etc all over TV. No soccer (if you weren't around in the 70's), no cricket, no handball.
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Post by Larcen26 on Jun 20, 2018 17:57:44 GMT
I think what are perceived as snobby attitudes around the world re soccer compared to American sports doesn't help, either. People get a chip on their shoulder about it. They watch a soccer game and go--sarcastically--"Oh, yeah, this is really a lot more exciting than (American) football . . .pffft. ". Or they say, which is something I've said, too, even though I like soccer: "Wait a minute. Play does stop here. What's that nonsense about it being nonstop? It's just that the clock doesn't stop. That doesn't mean that play doesn't stop. We could just keep the clock going all the time in football, hockey, basketball etc. too." I've never understood the stoppage time concept. "Yeah, we'll just kinda add some more time on the end maybe."
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Jun 20, 2018 18:54:49 GMT
I think what are perceived as snobby attitudes around the world re soccer compared to American sports doesn't help, either. People get a chip on their shoulder about it. They watch a soccer game and go--sarcastically--"Oh, yeah, this is really a lot more exciting than (American) football . . .pffft. ". Or they say, which is something I've said, too, even though I like soccer: "Wait a minute. Play does stop here. What's that nonsense about it being nonstop? It's just that the clock doesn't stop. That doesn't mean that play doesn't stop. We could just keep the clock going all the time in football, hockey, basketball etc. too." I've never understood the stoppage time concept. "Yeah, we'll just kinda add some more time on the end maybe." Definitely an underrated aspect in why Americans don't like soccer. In the early days of the MLS they had an actual countdown game clock like any other sport, but traditional soccer fans disliked this so they scrapped it. I hate stoppage time, it's as if it was created to give the referee the opportunity to interfere with the outcome of games.
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Post by weststigersbob on Jun 20, 2018 19:48:49 GMT
Americans like American sports. It’s that simple. What they don’t do in comparison to other cultures is give “non native” sports a genuine chance. The overwhelming majority summarily dismiss them as inferior without even having watched the at all, let alone tried to understand the nuances. I personally believe this happens solely because Americans are institutionalised into believing that American = good/best/superior and Foreign = bad/weak/inferior regardless of the actual truth.
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Post by FrankSobotka1514 on Jun 20, 2018 20:10:17 GMT
Americans like American sports. It’s that simple. What they don’t do in comparison to other cultures is give “non native” sports a genuine chance. The overwhelming majority summarily dismiss them as inferior without even having watched the at all, let alone tried to understand the nuances. I personally believe this happens solely because Americans are institutionalised into believing that American = good/best/superior and Foreign = bad/weak/inferior regardless of the actual truth. You’re missing part of the reason. No American kid dreams of being Ronaldo or Messi etc., they grow up wanting to be LeBron and Tom Brady and JJ Watt and Mike Trout and Sidney Crosby, mainly because they are so readily available to watch on tv and, related to that, that’s where the money is. Most (not all but most) Americans view soccer as a bit elitist and definitely white - probably almost as much as lacrosse and maybe hockey. I don’t imagine that many inner city or underprivileged American youths play soccer or see it as a way out. And the best white American athletes aren’t going to play soccer professionally either. Why would they? There’s no money in it here.
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Post by klawrencio79 on Jun 20, 2018 20:29:04 GMT
Give me a crisply played, well-pitched baseball game that ends with a 3-2 score 10 times out of 10, as compared to those 10-9 games that last 4 hours and basically end by virtue of whoever bats last. Kinda like modern day NFL. 38-35 games aren't exciting; they're arena league games at that point.
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Post by klawrencio79 on Jun 20, 2018 20:32:30 GMT
Americans like American sports. It’s that simple. What they don’t do in comparison to other cultures is give “non native” sports a genuine chance. The overwhelming majority summarily dismiss them as inferior without even having watched the at all, let alone tried to understand the nuances. I personally believe this happens solely because Americans are institutionalised into believing that American = good/best/superior and Foreign = bad/weak/inferior regardless of the actual truth. As an American, I can't say I disagree with this. Not that I feel that way, but that Americans generally do feel that way. For every one of us who is open-minded and willing to try new things, there are 1,000 others who just want their McDonalds, their NFL Sundays, and nothing else. When I did study abroad in France, I went to watch a leg of the Tour de France and it was awesome! Loads of fun, had a great time with some great people in a beautiful place. 9 out of 10 fellow Americans I told that too scoffed at the idea, chalking it up to "watching people ride past you on a bicycle."
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Post by NJtoTX on Jun 20, 2018 20:46:28 GMT
Give me a crisply played, well-pitched baseball game that ends with a 3-2 score 10 times out of 10, as compared to those 10-9 games that last 4 hours and basically end by virtue of whoever bats last. Kinda like modern day NFL. 38-35 games aren't exciting; they're arena league games at that point. So you liked those old 3 yards and a cloud of dust 10-7 games, or Carolina beating Buffalo 9-3 last year.
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Post by FrankSobotka1514 on Jun 20, 2018 21:08:47 GMT
Give me a crisply played, well-pitched baseball game that ends with a 3-2 score 10 times out of 10, as compared to those 10-9 games that last 4 hours and basically end by virtue of whoever bats last. Kinda like modern day NFL. 38-35 games aren't exciting; they're arena league games at that point. I agree with you for the most part. Baseball definitely. Football, look at the last two Super Bowls. Both were highly entertaining for a variety of reasons, but were they GOOD well played games? Four defenses that didn’t exactly evoke memories of Lawrence Taylor and Mike Singletary. But I had fun watching them, certainly the Eagles at least. The rules are tweaked in the offense’s favor now.
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