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Post by hardball on Jun 21, 2018 2:10:33 GMT
Disney and Lucasfilm are reportedly done taking risks when it comes to hiring directors for Star Wars and will stick with proven talent. After The Force Awakens successfully relaunched the franchise, production woes and fan reactions have divided the once untouchable IP. It all came to a head last year when Solo: A Star Wars Story fired its directors and Episode 9 lost Colin Trevorrow. Neither of these cases were the first signs of trouble either, as Rogue One: A Star Wars Story all but replaced director Gareth Edwards during the reshoot and final editing process. In each instance, Lucasfilm made a very conscious decision to move forward with people they fully trust. Tony Gilroy stepped in on Rogue One; Ron Howard took over and reshot most of Solo; and now J.J. Abrams is returning to close out the trilogy he began. Even when it came to hirings for the future, they got big but familiar names - some of whom may not see their projects through with reports of Lucasfilm putting spinoffs on hold. In Star Wars News Net's coverage on the future of the spinoffs, they dropped a few more details on the future of Star Wars. Disney apparently refused to delay Solo because of the troubles it had, and they're looking to clean up their process moving forward. In order to do just that, SWNN reports Disney and Lucasfilm are done hiring new, rising directors and will instead focus on bringing in "proven veteran talent who they know can handle a big budget Star Wars production." This could be disappointing news for the future of Star Wars depending on what makes someone a "proven veteran" in the eyes of Lucasfilm and Disney. Phil Lord and Chris Miller handled four films prior to tackling Solo, including two very successful Jump Street films. Edwards helmed Godzilla for WB, which was a fairly big production in its own right with a reported $160 million budget. Trevorrow was fresh off of Jurassic World's record-setting success and called Lucasfilm acidic after leaving. All four are still up and comers in the industry, but they were all successful prior to Star Wars in a variety of projects - so maybe they weren't the issue. It is understandable why Disney and Lucasfilm may have this mindset considering the production issues each of them encountered, but Rian Johnson is also a rising talent, though he's been around longer, and he made The Last Jedi a massive box office hit - and they gave him a trilogy all his own. Making this possible mindset even more confusing is how Disney's Marvel Studios has had years of success doing what Lucasfilm reportedly will no longer do. Names like Taika Waititi, Ryan Coogler, Jon Watts, James Gunn, and Anna Boden and Ryan Fleck all offer unique, new, and diverse voices - something many are requesting when it comes to Star Wars. Based on this report, though, pre-blockbuster directors like those names were won't be in consideration anymore. source
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Post by hardball on Jun 21, 2018 2:12:59 GMT
The solo and spinoff movies are said to be on hold as well.
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Post by politicidal on Jun 21, 2018 2:17:00 GMT
The solo and spinoff movies are said to be on hold as well. Names like Taika Waititi, Ryan Coogler, Jon Watts, James Gunn, and Anna Boden and Ryan Fleck all offer unique, new, and diverse voices - something many are requesting when it comes to Star Wars. Based on this report, though, pre-blockbuster directors like those names were won't be in consideration anymore.
Thanks assholes.
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Post by ck100 on Jun 21, 2018 2:40:40 GMT
That's a disappointment if this is true. I don't want a franchise like this to continuously play it safe.
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Post by Primemovermithrax Pejorative on Jun 21, 2018 3:08:08 GMT
Names like Taika Waititi, Ryan Coogler, Jon Watts, James Gunn, and Anna Boden and Ryan Fleck all offer unique, new, and diverse voices - something many are requesting when it comes to Star Wars. Based on this report, though, pre-blockbuster directors like those names were won't be in consideration anymore. source In other words directors that are much easier to push around by management. But this just means they are now trying to rethink how they can trick people with their propaganda since people have caught on to their agenda.
They need a new marketing scheme. Good luck finding it. They ruined Star Wars in 4 years. That is impressive! I didn't think it would be so fast.
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Post by alpha128 on Jun 21, 2018 3:29:52 GMT
They ruined Star Wars in 4 years. That is impressive! I didn't think it would be so fast.
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Post by Primemovermithrax Pejorative on Jun 21, 2018 3:42:40 GMT
Rian Johnson is the Justin Trudeau of filmmakers.
Not a compliment.
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Post by Primemovermithrax Pejorative on Jun 21, 2018 3:52:10 GMT
I liked the video except he claims Kathleen Kennedy is in charge. She isn't. Bob Iger and his friends are. The last two Pixar movies also have been putting "male" characters to the sidelines. This has nothing to do with Kennedy. She is just the PR face. The people counting the money are making the decisions.
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Post by darkpast on Jun 21, 2018 4:01:15 GMT
You missed the first sign of trouble when Michael Arndt left scripting Episode VII when it required a major rewrite and Disney would not budge from the 2015 release date. Now we are left with a poorly planned sequel trilogy that was rushed into production to make Disney shareholders happy.
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Post by TutuAnimationPrincess on Jun 21, 2018 4:57:10 GMT
I liked the video except he claims Kathleen Kennedy is in charge. She isn't. Bob Iger and his friends are. The last two Pixar movies also have been putting "male" characters to the sidelines. This has nothing to do with Kennedy. She is just the PR face. The people counting the money are making the decisions. Not true on the Pixar front. Coco had two male leads, both of whom got positively portrayed. Even going back three films to Cars 3, Lightning McQueen is still very much the focus of the film even with him passing the torch to a female. Pixar seems to be the biggest safe haven for timeless classics in Disney.
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Post by Primemovermithrax Pejorative on Jun 21, 2018 5:18:06 GMT
Not true on the Pixar front. Coco had two male leads, both of whom got positively portrayed. The male leads in Coco are named Miguel and Hector? That doesnt contradict it. Its the pale males that are on the endangered list. They have to be sidelined. Multiculturalism = Disney co.
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Post by TutuAnimationPrincess on Jun 21, 2018 5:33:45 GMT
Not true on the Pixar front. Coco had two male leads, both of whom got positively portrayed. The male leads in Coco are named Miguel and Hector? That doesnt contradict it. Its the pale males that are on the endangered list. They have to be sidelined. Multiculturalism = Disney co.
Simply having a female or non-white lead in a film isn't forced diversity. Honestly, very few films actually fit that mold and certainly no Pixar film to date has. Also, thier next film is Toy Story 4, a series that stars Tim Allen and Tom Hanks. Regardless, it's ultimately how good the final product is that matters most. Something like The Last Jedi is an easy target because it's not a good movie and almost all of it's characters are poorly written outside of Kylo, Luke, and Rey to a lesser extent.
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Post by Primemovermithrax Pejorative on Jun 21, 2018 5:52:30 GMT
Simply having a female or non-white lead in a film isn't forced diversity. Honestly, very few films actually fit that mold and certainly no Pixar film to date has. Also, thier next film is Toy Story 4, a series that stars Tim Allen and Tom Hanks. Regardless, it's ultimately how good the final product is that matters most. Something like The Last Jedi is an easy target because it's not a good movie and almost all of it's characters are poorly written outside of Kylo, Luke, and Rey to a lesser extent. It is forced if they sideline the other kind permanently. The point is this SJW virtue signalling did not originate with Kennedy. Its been going on for a lot longer. In the 2011 Pirates film the white male protagonist is tied to a ship mast, then almost killed, he spends much of the movie in a weak state-is mortally wounded-frees the mermaid and she drags him under water. But even in the 2003 film, the white ,male military dude loses-he loses Jack Sparrow and the girl.
It's an agenda. Only when you see a traditional kind of depiction can we say they are not forcing it.
Their problem is that they have moved so far into the agenda, that merit has gone out the window for their live action films. Pixar might be better at softening the message, but it is still there.
The current owners of Disney would watch Sleeping Beauty and applaud the scene where Maleficent plans to hold the prince captive until he is an old man.
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Post by Nicko's Nose on Jun 21, 2018 6:01:45 GMT
Simply having a female or non-white lead in a film isn't forced diversity. Honestly, very few films actually fit that mold and certainly no Pixar film to date has. Also, thier next film is Toy Story 4, a series that stars Tim Allen and Tom Hanks. Regardless, it's ultimately how good the final product is that matters most. Something like The Last Jedi is an easy target because it's not a good movie and almost all of it's characters are poorly written outside of Kylo, Luke, and Rey to a lesser extent. It is forced if they sideline the other kind permanently. The point is this SJW virtue signalling did not originate with Kennedy. Its been going on for a lot longer. In the 2011 Pirates film the white male protagonist is tied to a ship mast, then almost killed, he spends much of the movie in a weak state-is mortally wounded-frees the mermaid and she drags him under water. But even in the 2003 film, the white ,male military dude loses-he loses Jack Sparrow and the girl.
It's an agenda. Only when you see a traditional kind of depiction can we say they are not forcing it.
Their problem is that they have moved so far into the agenda, that merit has gone out the window for their live action films. Pixar might be better at softening the message, but it is still there.
The current owners of Disney would watch Sleeping Beauty and applaud the scene where Maleficent plans to hold the prince captive until he is an old man.
Here we go again. [facepalm]
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Post by Primemovermithrax Pejorative on Jun 21, 2018 6:09:52 GMT
Here we go again. [facepalm] You should really see a doctor about that rash!
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Post by Nicko's Nose on Jun 21, 2018 6:11:35 GMT
Here we go again. [facepalm] You should really see a doctor about that rash! You should really see a doctor about that paranoia.
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Post by TutuAnimationPrincess on Jun 21, 2018 6:18:11 GMT
Simply having a female or non-white lead in a film isn't forced diversity. Honestly, very few films actually fit that mold and certainly no Pixar film to date has. Also, thier next film is Toy Story 4, a series that stars Tim Allen and Tom Hanks. Regardless, it's ultimately how good the final product is that matters most. Something like The Last Jedi is an easy target because it's not a good movie and almost all of it's characters are poorly written outside of Kylo, Luke, and Rey to a lesser extent. It is forced if they sideline the other kind permanently. The point is this SJW virtue signalling did not originate with Kennedy. Its been going on for a lot longer. In the 2011 Pirates film the white male protagonist is tied to a ship mast, then almost killed, he spends much of the movie in a weak state-is mortally wounded-frees the mermaid and she drags him under water. But even in the 2003 film, the white ,male military dude loses-he loses Jack Sparrow and the girl.
It's an agenda. Only when you see a traditional kind of depiction can we say they are not forcing it.
Their problem is that they have moved so far into the agenda, that merit has gone out the window for their live action films. Pixar might be better at softening the message, but it is still there.
The current owners of Disney would watch Sleeping Beauty and applaud the scene where Maleficent plans to hold the prince captive until he is an old man.
This is where this conversation ends, I'm not really into this kind of discussion.
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Post by Primemovermithrax Pejorative on Jun 21, 2018 6:24:07 GMT
You should really see a doctor about that paranoia. Reporting things that anyone can verify for themselves (i.e. the plot summary of Pirates 4 or the lead characters in Coco) is not an issue of paranoia. It is more about blindness of those who deny it (and they never refute it with counter examples so..we rest our case).
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Post by palerider on Jun 21, 2018 12:40:09 GMT
Names like Taika Waititi, Ryan Coogler, Jon Watts, James Gunn, and Anna Boden and Ryan Fleck all offer unique, new, and diverse voices - something many are requesting when it comes to Star Wars. Based on this report, though, pre-blockbuster directors like those names were won't be in consideration anymore. source In other words directors that are much easier to push around by management. But this just means they are now trying to rethink how they can trick people with their propaganda since people have caught on to their agenda.
They need a new marketing scheme. Good luck finding it. They ruined Star Wars in 4 years. That is impressive! I didn't think it would be so fast.
Star Wars was already in trouble after the Prequels. The Sequels only crime was understandably creating new leads to take over from the old OT ones.
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Post by twothousandonemark on Jun 22, 2018 1:42:29 GMT
Obi-Wan is the only solo film on the table I'm interested in.
I can only imagine how a family friendly Boba Fett movie will be received by the masses. Face it, Disney wants blockbusters for as wide an audience as possible... aka 3yr olds & 30yr olds acting like 3yr olds online alike.
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