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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Jun 21, 2018 16:04:43 GMT
Wrong answer. Kids will prefer the MCU ones because they over emphasise bright colours, overload of CGI effects and thin, lighthearted stories with little drama or real threat. They would get bored watching films like Nolans batman trilogy or Xmen movies. Hence MCU is more tailored for children. Why are you ashamed to admit that, its a fact. have you ever seen Inception? its everything dr strange should have been. I wanted Nolan to make Doctor Strange.
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Post by palerider on Jun 21, 2018 16:13:25 GMT
I have to admit I have a bad feeling about this! (Star Wars pun intended). I fear Disney is going to turn the X-Men into another version of the GotG. (Insert face plant here). well said.
and a good triva.
gotg movies is nothing like the comics in tone or style. gotg movie is a pure disney thing, reason it is called one of the most kid friendly movies.
Actually, it's very much in line with the more recent GOTG comics of the last 10 years...if you knew your comics.
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Post by palerider on Jun 21, 2018 16:14:42 GMT
have you ever seen Inception? its everything dr strange should have been. I wanted Nolan to make Doctor Strange. Eh, he'd just have Strange stand around doing a monolog while the Ancient One does nothing but say pseudo-philosophical jargon while Dormammu was the real star of the movie.
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Jun 21, 2018 16:22:19 GMT
I wanted Nolan to make Doctor Strange. Eh, he'd just have Strange stand around doing a monolog while the Ancient One does nothing but say pseudo-philosophical jargon while Dormammu was the real star of the movie. It would be the Batman Begins of the MCU, A great origin film. The villains weren't the star of that film, Bruce Wayne was. Nolan already played with science fiction and fantasy with Inception and Interstellar. Nolan already proved that he isn't scared to tackle a character like Doctor Strange.
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Post by Waxer-n-boil on Jun 21, 2018 16:25:44 GMT
I have to admit I have a bad feeling about this! (Star Wars pun intended). I fear Disney is going to turn the X-Men into another version of the GotG. (Insert face plant here). well said.
and a good triva.
gotg movies is nothing like the comics in tone or style. gotg movie is a pure disney thing, reason it is called one of the most kid friendly movies.
So Disney Marvel's onscreen version of GotG is like a cartoon spoof of the comic book, I take it? How ironic. So I guess we will have this to look forward to: Cyclops will spend most of his screen time doing trick blasts with his visor trying to impress Jean Grey. Wolverine will be stealing legs from amputees as laugh gags, and telling turd and nipple jokes! Time for another face plant.
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Post by palerider on Jun 21, 2018 16:26:20 GMT
Eh, he'd just have Strange stand around doing a monolog while the Ancient One does nothing but say pseudo-philosophical jargon while Dormammu was the real star of the movie. It would be the Batman Begins of the MCU, A great origin film. The villains weren't the star of that film, Bruce Wayne was. Nolan already played with science fiction and fantasy with Inception and Interstellar. Nolan already proved that he isn't scared to tackle a character like Doctor Strange. Ra's was very much the star of Begins. Everything revolved around him and his teachings. Without Ra's, there's no Batman. Nolan eve admitted his villains were the real stars of his movies.
Interstellar wasn't that good, and Inception was really just the same kind of heist/crime movie Dicaprio usually does.
I doubt Nolan could pull off a story driven purely by a lead who isn't an obsessive.
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Post by palerider on Jun 21, 2018 16:30:13 GMT
well said.
and a good triva.
gotg movies is nothing like the comics in tone or style. gotg movie is a pure disney thing, reason it is called one of the most kid friendly movies.
So Disney Marvel's onscreen version of GotG is like a cartoon spoof of the comic book, I take it? How ironic. So I guess we will have this to look forward to: Cyclops will spend most of his screen time doing trick blasts with his visor trying to impress Jean Grey. Wolverine will be stealing legs from amputees as laugh gags, and telling turd and nipple jokes! Time for another face plant. Not really, the GOTG movies are in line with the 2008 version of the team.
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Post by scabab on Jun 21, 2018 16:30:20 GMT
xmen fans , we want more movies like logan, deadpool and dofp, because that fits our comics tone and style of story telling more. mcu movies don't. mcu has admitted their movies will always be funny, aimed at kids and light-hearted and that is not xmen not even xmen tas. there was a significant backlash to homecoming, many just felt it was generic and disneyfied compared to the older movies so they just disposed it after a few months. look at black panther, its a generic version of first class more like thor 1, so why would an xmen fan want an xmen movie like black panther, when we already have better?the mcu formula has already gotten stale and continues to loose more credibility in serious film making, one of the reason Logan was so artistically loved in 2017 above gotg 2, homecoming, Thor 3. why will an xmen fan give that up so xmen can be in the mcu with mcu forumla? see the contradiction?please stop confusing mcu fans and xmen fans. Well Marvel Studios wouldn't make movies like Logan or Deadpool because they don't make R rated movies nor seem to want to so instead they'd just make PG-13 movies like the X-men movies which is what they should be. Yes the movies have a lot of humour but the movies are made for people of all ages, certainly not just kids. Spider-man Homecoming never had significant backlash, that never happened. Batman vs Superman has significant backlash as did Fantastic Four. Spider-man Homecoming did not. Whether it's considered generic or Disneyfied would be a bit besides the point because The Amazing Spider-man movies were just as generic if not more so with people complaining that TASM was too much like the first movie. Either way those Spider-man movies had been making less and less money domestically since 2002 and that trend was reversed when Marvel Studios stepped in. Homecoming is considered by the vast majority to be the best Spider-man movie since at least Spider-man 2. Also these X-men movies have become generic, they've been going on since 2000. I'm not talking about any spin offs, just the X-men movies, they've become too much the same. It needs a shake up. Apocalypse is the outlier like Winter Soldier is for the MCU. Its the exception not the rule. People weren't fond of X-men 3 either. That's two out of five X-men movies. Winter Soldier also can't be considered an outlier because seven movies got better reviews than it and five movies have a better score on IMDb. It matters when it's referring to X-men movies. If Marvel Studios get X-men then they'll just focus on X-men movies at least for a while. As such the comparison would just be with the X-men movies because neither is going to making any Wolverine movies anyway. So under Fox you now have an X-men series where the latest movie disappointed financially and critically and the next one likely to disappoint perhaps even more so at least financially. If Marvel Studios were to make a X-men movie it would make far more money, that much is a given, critically considered their track record it would also have a good chance of being better. Suicide Squad is getting a sequel though and supposedly spin off of it's own. People did go to see Deadpool and Logan but they are now at a point that the main series itself, X-men is the one that is doing the worst. This is like how Justice League did worse than all it's individual movies. People loved Wolverine. First Class was a great movie but it also took a dive because it didn't have him. They can keep making these movies but without him being in it from now on it will never come back the way it did. That sums up pretty much every MCU movie yet they get over praised. The critics are brand loyal shills. Because with The Wolverine it was confused. It was one type of movie for the first three quarters that had very little CGI, it was set in real life locations, you had Wolverine fighting a actual samurai with a proper sword and proper choreography and it was fairly down to earth for an X-men movie. Nothing at all like Origins Wolverine but then it very suddenly turned into a completely different movie and became just like Origins Wolverine with them in a generic lab setting where he's fighting someone that looks like the Shredder from the TMNT 2014 movie. It would be like if at the end of The Dark Knight, the Joker drank some venom serum and turned into a giant hulking version of himself that Batman then has a brawl with like at the end of the Arkham Asylum video game, it would be completely out of place. That's not a problem that the MCU movies have because they at least have a consistent tone throughout.
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Jun 21, 2018 16:39:56 GMT
It would be the Batman Begins of the MCU, A great origin film. The villains weren't the star of that film, Bruce Wayne was. Nolan already played with science fiction and fantasy with Inception and Interstellar. Nolan already proved that he isn't scared to tackle a character like Doctor Strange. Ra's was very much the star of Begins. Everything revolved around him and his teachings. Without Ra's, there's no Batman. Nolan eve admitted his villains were the real stars of his movies.
Interstellar wasn't that good, and Inception was really just the same kind of heist/crime movie Dicaprio usually does.
I doubt Nolan could pull off a story driven purely by a lead who isn't an obsessive.
Ra's has played a big part of the Batman mythos for decades, makes sense to me that a Batman origin film would feature him a lot. Still doesn't stop the film from being about Bruce Wayne and his journey. Even if he makes the villains the "Real Stars" so what? Why is that a bad thing? Interstellar was a terrific science fiction film! Definitely in the top 5 of his best films! The film also tackled global warming being a big threat to our planet, which is a good thing since unfortunately there's a bunch of fucking idiots who think it doesn't exist. Inception is another great film that show that Nolan should be the next director to tackle a James Bond film. Stephen Strange is a protagonist that is perfect for a brilliant film maker like Christopher Nolan!
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Post by Waxer-n-boil on Jun 21, 2018 16:41:24 GMT
So Disney Marvel's onscreen version of GotG is like a cartoon spoof of the comic book, I take it? How ironic. So I guess we will have this to look forward to: Cyclops will spend most of his screen time doing trick blasts with his visor trying to impress Jean Grey. Wolverine will be stealing legs from amputees as laugh gags, and telling turd and nipple jokes! Time for another face plant. Not really, the GOTG movies are in line with the 2008 version of the team. Nevertheless I have no interest in seeing the X-Men turned into the onscreen version of GotG with "different skins" (to borrow from video game vernacular).
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Jun 21, 2018 16:49:22 GMT
Because punching people is the ONLY method to fighting bad guys if you're a superhero... At what point did it feel like a High School Musical movie? Because of the high school setting? Ah, the old "I didn't like it, anyone who gave it good reviews was paid off or liked it for selfish/political reasons!" argument...When did these go out of style again? The X-Men IP under Fox are very uneven in quality and are directionless, even with their best produced content its hard to really believe that anybody at the top has a solid game plan laid out in the long haul. It's essentially how Star Wars is being treated now; where is this all going towards? What is this complimenting? What is this expanding upon? They're all over the place and no matter how strong the quality is it won't eliminate the head scratching, Deadpool and its sequel are really the only ones to address the puzzling continuity issues but its done for comedic purposes no one outside is really trying hard to make sure everything fits together and its a shame too because it would be pretty neat if Professor X showed up on Legion or Negasonic Teenage Warhead and Rogue appeared on The Gifted but no opportunities are being taken or even much reference - Legion this last season referenced Charles not even five times in all of its episodes. Hell, Stewart showed love and appreciation to the suggestion of appearing on the show on live television with Dan Stevens...And Fox isn't doing anything about it. Being under one roof at least gives the IP some direction for a change and fitting into a larger universe adds icing to the cake.
spoken like a true mcu fan. mcu fans should read more comics. they really think comics is about cross overs and random heroes talking to eachother. No legion does not have to connect to movies, am glad it did not. you see in comics there is something called alternate realities or a parallel universe. it gives writers the chance to branch out, tell stand alone stories and expand on mythology. if xavier appears it should not be Stewart or Mcvoy, it should be a brand new xavier that has nothing to do with films. see DC movies and DC TV for more info or read AOA or earth 2 comics.
the fact the mcu fans call these directionless is why mcu movies are the worst, you really need to read more comics and not because comics have more depth and show more artistry than whatever mcu formula garbage disney likes to spew.
wow this is educational.can wait for mcu xmen to crash and burn. their movies will suck. mcu movies cant even think like Logan or X2. mcu thinking is how much can their movies sell more toys to kids or blow up more cities and make jokes.
wow, just wow.. the ignorance...staggering.
It has nothing to do with being an mcu fan, X-Men under Fox is a directionless property. After Days of Future Past there is no clear understood goal to be detected anywhere in any of the films and tv shows other than the major X-Men movies like Apocalypse and Dark Phoenix. There is a lot they could, should, and can do but they're not taking any opportunity to do so, as I said Stewart voiced enthusiasm to possibly appear on Legion as Charles on national television but Fox executives has done nothing about it. Neither Stewart or McAvoy have to be on Legion, but Charles should definitely appear on the show as he's David's father and the exact reason why Shadow King went after David in the first place. Stand alone content is fine, but these products are pretty much created by the same creative forces and there is little to no effort in trying to tie them into one another or creating something of a timeline where you could easily place this or that movie or series at. No disrespect to the many talented folks working on them, but it is kind of lazy and egotistical that they would assume most viewers in today's movie and television viewing audience won't be bothered or care. It's not that big of a problem now, but if they keep going in this direction it'll do more harm than good. I don't know why you're acting like I hate all of the Fox produced X-Men movies and shows though, I've stated before that I like X-1, X-2, Days of Future Past, First Class, Deadpool 1 and 2, The Wolverine, Logan, The Gifted, and Legion.
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Post by palerider on Jun 21, 2018 16:49:50 GMT
Ra's was very much the star of Begins. Everything revolved around him and his teachings. Without Ra's, there's no Batman. Nolan eve admitted his villains were the real stars of his movies.
Interstellar wasn't that good, and Inception was really just the same kind of heist/crime movie Dicaprio usually does.
I doubt Nolan could pull off a story driven purely by a lead who isn't an obsessive.
Ra's has played a big part of the Batman mythos for decades, makes sense to me that a Batman origin film would feature him a lot. Still doesn't stop the film from being about Bruce Wayne and his journey. Even if he makes the villains the "Real Stars" so what? Why is that a bad thing? Interstellar was a terrific science fiction film! Definitely in the top 5 of his best films! The film also tackled global warming being a big threat to our planet, which is a good thing since unfortunately there's a bunch of fucking idiots who think it doesn't exist. Inception is another great film that show that Nolan should be the next director to tackle a James Bond film. Stephen Strange is a protagonist that is perfect for a brilliant film maker like Christopher Nolan! But it wasn't about Bruce. The movie shows Bruce as ineffectual and incompetent until Ra's gets to him. Comics Bruce didn't need Ra's.
Because it means you don't think the lead can lead the movie.
I thought it was dull and preachy.
Inception was predictable, wholly. Especially as Dicaprio was just playing his usual typecast...and once we found out the whole damn think was his own fault it became a lot harder to care.
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Post by summers8 on Jun 21, 2018 16:50:29 GMT
xmen fans , we want more movies like logan, deadpool and dofp, because that fits our comics tone and style of story telling more. mcu movies don't. mcu has admitted their movies will always be funny, aimed at kids and light-hearted and that is not xmen not even xmen tas. there was a significant backlash to homecoming, many just felt it was generic and disneyfied compared to the older movies so they just disposed it after a few months. look at black panther, its a generic version of first class more like thor 1, so why would an xmen fan want an xmen movie like black panther, when we already have better?the mcu formula has already gotten stale and continues to loose more credibility in serious film making, one of the reason Logan was so artistically loved in 2017 above gotg 2, homecoming, Thor 3. why will an xmen fan give that up so xmen can be in the mcu with mcu forumla? see the contradiction?please stop confusing mcu fans and xmen fans. Well Marvel Studios wouldn't make movies like Logan or Deadpool because they don't make R rated movies nor seem to want to so instead they'd just make PG-13 movies like the X-men movies which is what they should be. Yes the movies have a lot of humour but the movies are made for people of all ages, certainly not just kids. Spider-man Homecoming never had significant backlash, that never happened. Batman vs Superman has significant backlash as did Fantastic Four. Spider-man Homecoming did not. Whether it's considered generic or Disneyfied would be a bit besides the point because The Amazing Spider-man movies were just as generic if not more so with people complaining that TASM was too much like the first movie. Either way those Spider-man movies had been making less and less money domestically since 2002 and that trend was reversed when Marvel Studios stepped in. Homecoming is considered by the vast majority to be the best Spider-man movie since at least Spider-man 2. Also these X-men movies have become generic, they've been going on since 2000. I'm not talking about any spin offs, just the X-men movies, they've become too much the same. It needs a shake up. Apocalypse is the outlier like Winter Soldier is for the MCU. Its the exception not the rule. People weren't fond of X-men 3 either. That's two out of five X-men movies. Winter Soldier also can't be considered an outlier because seven movies got better reviews than it and five movies have a better score on IMDb. It matters when it's referring to X-men movies. If Marvel Studios get X-men then they'll just focus on X-men movies at least for a while. As such the comparison would just be with the X-men movies because neither is going to making any Wolverine movies anyway. So under Fox you now have an X-men series where the latest movie disappointed financially and critically and the next one likely to disappoint perhaps even more so at least financially. If Marvel Studios were to make a X-men movie it would make far more money, that much is a given, critically considered their track record it would also have a good chance of being better. Suicide Squad is getting a sequel though and supposedly spin off of it's own. People did go to see Deadpool and Logan but they are now at a point that the main series itself, X-men is the one that is doing the worst. This is like how Justice League did worse than all it's individual movies. People loved Wolverine. First Class was a great movie but it also took a dive because it didn't have him. They can keep making these movies but without him being in it from now on it will never come back the way it did. That sums up pretty much every MCU movie yet they get over praised. The critics are brand loyal shills. Because with The Wolverine it was confused. It was one type of movie for the first three quarters that had very little CGI, it was set in real life locations, you had Wolverine fighting a actual samurai with a proper sword and proper choreography and it was fairly down to earth for an X-men movie. Nothing at all like Origins Wolverine but then it very suddenly turned into a completely different movie and became just like Origins Wolverine with them in a generic lab setting where he's fighting someone that looks like the Shredder from the TMNT 2014 movie. It would be like if at the end of The Dark Knight, the Joker drank some venom serum and turned into a giant hulking version of himself that Batman then has a brawl with like at the end of the Arkham Asylum video game, it would be completely out of place. That's not a problem that the MCU movies have because they at least have a consistent tone throughout. nice try, but it is mcu movies that are generic movies not xmen, the only people that call xmen generic are mcu fans who hate the fact that xmen is taken more seriously and respected while their mcu movies are seen as cgi disney jokes, even DC fans liked and respected what xmen movies did for comics especially after batman and robin, it was xmen movies that showed comic films can be smart, be more about story telling and drama, deep and intellectual and can address had hitting issues even with some set backs like X3. You cannot rewrite XMEN movies to make it fit the mcu generic formula that we know.
let me ask why did black panther take inspiration from xmen to look smart and less generic? you want to know how generic mcu is? they tried to copy xmen to look more authentic with black panther.
if you hate wolverine that much, how do you justify avengers 2012 that is just about cartoonish fights , explosions and blowing up cities for 1.5 hours and having fun with it..dumbed down. at least the samurai in wolverine was a threat to him, laslty you ignored my post. so I ask again, how will disney adapt inferno or the mutant massacre? this is what decides this debate. if you cant give me an answer then mcu cannot make a good xmen movie compared to what fox has done.
xmen is not about jokes and selling toys.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Jun 21, 2018 16:56:38 GMT
Logan was a crossover, it relied on his past history with Xavier and stuff. As for Deadpool, he's starting to team up with other characters from the X-Verse as well. Logan was a solo story, just like The Wolverine. Both stories depend very little on past or potential future set ups unlike a Ragnarok or Doctor Strange is. The ending of The Wolverine set up Days of Future Past though.
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Post by palerider on Jun 21, 2018 17:16:02 GMT
Well Marvel Studios wouldn't make movies like Logan or Deadpool because they don't make R rated movies nor seem to want to so instead they'd just make PG-13 movies like the X-men movies which is what they should be. Yes the movies have a lot of humour but the movies are made for people of all ages, certainly not just kids. Spider-man Homecoming never had significant backlash, that never happened. Batman vs Superman has significant backlash as did Fantastic Four. Spider-man Homecoming did not. Whether it's considered generic or Disneyfied would be a bit besides the point because The Amazing Spider-man movies were just as generic if not more so with people complaining that TASM was too much like the first movie. Either way those Spider-man movies had been making less and less money domestically since 2002 and that trend was reversed when Marvel Studios stepped in. Homecoming is considered by the vast majority to be the best Spider-man movie since at least Spider-man 2. Also these X-men movies have become generic, they've been going on since 2000. I'm not talking about any spin offs, just the X-men movies, they've become too much the same. It needs a shake up. People weren't fond of X-men 3 either. That's two out of five X-men movies. Winter Soldier also can't be considered an outlier because seven movies got better reviews than it and five movies have a better score on IMDb. It matters when it's referring to X-men movies. If Marvel Studios get X-men then they'll just focus on X-men movies at least for a while. As such the comparison would just be with the X-men movies because neither is going to making any Wolverine movies anyway. So under Fox you now have an X-men series where the latest movie disappointed financially and critically and the next one likely to disappoint perhaps even more so at least financially. If Marvel Studios were to make a X-men movie it would make far more money, that much is a given, critically considered their track record it would also have a good chance of being better. Suicide Squad is getting a sequel though and supposedly spin off of it's own. People did go to see Deadpool and Logan but they are now at a point that the main series itself, X-men is the one that is doing the worst. This is like how Justice League did worse than all it's individual movies. People loved Wolverine. First Class was a great movie but it also took a dive because it didn't have him. They can keep making these movies but without him being in it from now on it will never come back the way it did. Because with The Wolverine it was confused. It was one type of movie for the first three quarters that had very little CGI, it was set in real life locations, you had Wolverine fighting a actual samurai with a proper sword and proper choreography and it was fairly down to earth for an X-men movie. Nothing at all like Origins Wolverine but then it very suddenly turned into a completely different movie and became just like Origins Wolverine with them in a generic lab setting where he's fighting someone that looks like the Shredder from the TMNT 2014 movie. It would be like if at the end of The Dark Knight, the Joker drank some venom serum and turned into a giant hulking version of himself that Batman then has a brawl with like at the end of the Arkham Asylum video game, it would be completely out of place. That's not a problem that the MCU movies have because they at least have a consistent tone throughout. nice try, but it is mcu movies that are generic movies not xmen, the only people that call xmen generic are mcu fans who hate the fact that xmen is taken more seriously and respected while their mcu movies are seen as cgi disney jokes, even DC fans liked and respected what xmen movies did for comics especially after batman and robin, it was xmen movies that showed comic films can be smart, be more about story telling and drama, deep and intellectual and can address had hitting issues even with some set backs like X3. You cannot rewrite XMEN movies to make it fit the mcu generic formula that we know.
let me ask why did black panther take inspiration from xmen to look smart and less generic? you want to know how generic mcu is? they tried to copy xmen to look more authentic with black panther.
if you hate wolverine that much, how do you justify avengers 2012 that is just about cartoonish fights , explosions and blowing up cities for 1.5 hours and having fun with it..dumbed down. at least the samurai in wolverine was a threat to him, laslty you ignored my post. so I ask again, how will disney adapt inferno or the mutant massacre? this is what decides this debate. if you cant give me an answer then mcu cannot make a good xmen movie compared to what fox has done.
xmen is not about jokes and selling toys.
Inferno and Mutant Massacre were terrible stories, so I don't know why you're asking why the MCU would adapt terrible stories.
X-Men is about selling merchandise...they just suck at it.
The X-Movies want to be profound...but they're not. At all.
BP wasn't inspired by X-men, it was inspired by the BP comics. If anything, X-Men copied BP in the comics by trying to be more about issues.
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Post by justanaveragejoe on Jun 21, 2018 17:25:29 GMT
Says Disney ruined Spider-Man and Star Wars, and would ruin X-Men,
Well, first off, SONY distributed and financed while Marvel Studios co-distributed, but I digress.
Marvel gets their hands on Spider-Man, becomes the best reviewed movie since Spider-Man 2 and the biggest Spider-Man movie since Spider-Man 3
Disney ruined Star Wars, 3 Star Wars movies make $1 billion, 1 even made $2 billion.
You know what happened to Spider-Man, Star Wars, and X-Men before Disney? We had Jar Jar Binks, Hayden Christensen, poorly written romance, emo Peter, Topher Grace as Venom, Jamie Foxx as Electro, Barakapool, X3, X-Men Origins, Apocalypse, etc.
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Post by Lee on Jun 21, 2018 17:28:16 GMT
Sad for franchises like Alien, Predator, Planet of the Apes and Die Hard. And tv-shows like Simpsons and Family Guy.
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Post by palerider on Jun 21, 2018 17:30:38 GMT
Sad for franchises like Alien, Predator, Planet of the Apes and Die Hard. And tv-shows like Simpsons and Family Guy. There hasn't been a good Alien movie since 1992, same with Predator, the POTA movies ended well with War, and Die Hard hasn't been good since "Vengeance".
Simpsons and Family Guy both have seriously outlived their proper lifespans.
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Post by Lee on Jun 21, 2018 17:46:21 GMT
Doesnt change the fact, formersamhmd, that Disney wouldn't handle this franchises.
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Post by palerider on Jun 21, 2018 17:56:21 GMT
You can call me what you want, but none of those movies have been treated well by FOX for decades...so you can't exactly say Disney will "destroy" them. They were on that path regardless.
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