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Post by No Morpho, Only Bánh mì on Jun 21, 2018 17:58:37 GMT
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Post by politicidal on Jun 21, 2018 18:02:46 GMT
Hell, what did I miss?
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Post by charzhino on Jun 21, 2018 18:03:45 GMT
Logan was a solo story, just like The Wolverine. Both stories depend very little on past or potential future set ups unlike a Ragnarok or Doctor Strange is. The ending of The Wolverine set up Days of Future Past though. Very loosely though and it was an after credit scene which happened well after the events in Japan. The story of Wolverine rescuing Mariko from her father and grandfather has nothing to do with the events of any previous or future film.
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Post by Riddick on Jun 21, 2018 18:08:03 GMT
Sad for franchises like Alien, Predator, Planet of the Apes and Die Hard. And tv-shows like Simpsons and Family Guy. There hasn't been a good Alien movie since 1992, same with Predator, the POTA movies ended well with War, and Die Hard hasn't been good since "Vengeance".
Simpsons and Family Guy both have seriously outlived their proper lifespans.
Not true samhmd. There wasn't any good Predator movie since 1987, and with Die Hard since 1990. And the PotA franchise shouldn't never been rebooted.
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Jun 21, 2018 18:08:52 GMT
Ra's has played a big part of the Batman mythos for decades, makes sense to me that a Batman origin film would feature him a lot. Still doesn't stop the film from being about Bruce Wayne and his journey. Even if he makes the villains the "Real Stars" so what? Why is that a bad thing? Interstellar was a terrific science fiction film! Definitely in the top 5 of his best films! The film also tackled global warming being a big threat to our planet, which is a good thing since unfortunately there's a bunch of fucking idiots who think it doesn't exist. Inception is another great film that show that Nolan should be the next director to tackle a James Bond film. Stephen Strange is a protagonist that is perfect for a brilliant film maker like Christopher Nolan! But it wasn't about Bruce. The movie shows Bruce as ineffectual and incompetent until Ra's gets to him. Comics Bruce didn't need Ra's.
Because it means you don't think the lead can lead the movie.
I thought it was dull and preachy.
Inception was predictable, wholly. Especially as Dicaprio was just playing his usual typecast...and once we found out the whole damn think was his own fault it became a lot harder to care.
Ra's trained Bruce in combat, but everything else Bruce taught himself. Sounds like you wanted a Gary Stue Batman. Ra's story didn't take up the whole film. Hell he didn't return until the final battle. OR it means you have a great villain to explore. Marvel did this with Thanos, did you hate that?
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Post by charzhino on Jun 21, 2018 18:11:03 GMT
Change the thread name summers, Comcast are may be putting in a revised bid.
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Post by charzhino on Jun 21, 2018 18:14:37 GMT
You can call me what you want, but none of those movies have been treated well by FOX for decades...so you can't exactly say Disney will "destroy" them. They were on that path regardless. You are a disgrace and not a real Xmem fan you're a lowlife Disney loving shill. No xmen fan would say things like Fox hasn't treated even 1 movie well or the animated series was overrated, storylines like mutant massacre/phoniex saga are trash, Jean Grey is a pathetic character, Apocalypse is 1 note, Xmen exploit the holocaust, Claremont is a hack, etc etc.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2018 18:15:14 GMT
Sad for franchises like Alien, Predator, Planet of the Apes and Die Hard. And tv-shows like Simpsons and Family Guy. There hasn't been a good Alien movie since 1992, same with Predator, the POTA movies ended well with War, and Die Hard hasn't been good since "Vengeance".
Simpsons and Family Guy both have seriously outlived their proper lifespans.
Maybe, if you're ashamed of cartoon characters.
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Post by Jax on Jun 21, 2018 18:16:34 GMT
You can call me what you want, but none of those movies have been treated well by FOX for decades...so you can't exactly say Disney will "destroy" them. They were on that path regardless. You can finally stop with your stupid lies. Nobody believes you. Anyone here know that you are formersamhmd. And you even try hide it, by writing the same posts.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2018 18:17:38 GMT
But it wasn't about Bruce. The movie shows Bruce as ineffectual and incompetent until Ra's gets to him. Comics Bruce didn't need Ra's.
Because it means you don't think the lead can lead the movie.
I thought it was dull and preachy.
Inception was predictable, wholly. Especially as Dicaprio was just playing his usual typecast...and once we found out the whole damn think was his own fault it became a lot harder to care.
Ra's trained Bruce in combat, but everything else Bruce taught himself. Sounds like you wanted a Gary Stue Batman. Ra's story didn't take up the whole film. Hell he didn't return until the final battle. OR it means you have a great villain to explore. Marvel did this with Thanos, did you hate that? This. This! THIS!!!!!!!!123456789
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Post by scabab on Jun 21, 2018 18:26:12 GMT
nice try, but it is mcu movies that are generic movies not xmen The X-men movies (and just the X-men movies) have become generic within itself. All the movies have a similar look and feel to them. The X-men series is very diverse, with Genosha, Savage Land, Mojo World and Outer Space and yet they've done nothing with this. Every movie has had the X-men deal with Magneto has an antagonist. There isn't a single X-men movie where him being confronted hasn't been a plot point. That's five out of five movies that have done the very same thing. I don't hate The Wolverine it's a solid movie. It's cartoonist action didn't fit with the rest of the movie or its tone. The action itself wasn't particularly entertaining. The Avengers was entertaining and had a suitably large scale action scene. I don't read comics, I'm not familiar with that story. It doesn't matter anyway. The MCU doesn't adapt comic storylines. These movies have their own story. The X-men movies have always had jokes and what are these? www.google.com/search?q=x-men+movie+toys&prmd=sivn&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjlvZa8sOXbAhUDGuwKHfK_A-oQ_AUIEigC&biw=600&bih=960&dpr=2The X-men movies have become stale. Interest has plummeted. The Box Office as dropped. All the original cast are gone. They're recycling storylines. Coming up with spin offs that nobody wants. They've had a great run but people have grown tired of them and under Marvel Studios it'll make a come back just as Spider-man did.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2018 18:34:38 GMT
I wanted Nolan to make Doctor Strange. Eh, he'd just have Strange stand around doing a monolog while the Ancient One does nothing but say pseudo-philosophical jargon while Dormammu was the real star of the movie. Sounds you're ashamed of Dormammmmamanamu. I'd love to see a movie that embraced the wondrousness of Dormamamammmmamaammmmu.
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Post by palerider on Jun 21, 2018 19:27:17 GMT
But it wasn't about Bruce. The movie shows Bruce as ineffectual and incompetent until Ra's gets to him. Comics Bruce didn't need Ra's.
Because it means you don't think the lead can lead the movie.
I thought it was dull and preachy.
Inception was predictable, wholly. Especially as Dicaprio was just playing his usual typecast...and once we found out the whole damn think was his own fault it became a lot harder to care.
Ra's trained Bruce in combat, but everything else Bruce taught himself. Sounds like you wanted a Gary Stue Batman. Ra's story didn't take up the whole film. Hell he didn't return until the final battle. OR it means you have a great villain to explore. Marvel did this with Thanos, did you hate that? Bruce's approach came from Ra's philosophies, the idea of dressing up and being an Icon rather than a Man, his techniques, etc. It's all from Ra's.
Yeah, but everything about Scarecrow was Ra's behind the scenes too.
Marvel waited until all their heroes were established and developed to do this. As opposed to always making the villain the star of every movie.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Jun 21, 2018 19:28:03 GMT
The ending of The Wolverine set up Days of Future Past though. Very loosely though and it was an after credit scene which happened well after the events in Japan. The story of Wolverine rescuing Mariko from her father and grandfather has nothing to do with the events of any previous or future film. Still there in the movie, and pretty major.
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Post by palerider on Jun 21, 2018 19:28:31 GMT
You can call me what you want, but none of those movies have been treated well by FOX for decades...so you can't exactly say Disney will "destroy" them. They were on that path regardless. You are a disgrace and not a real Xmem fan you're a lowlife Disney loving shill. No xmen fan would say things like Fox hasn't treated even 1 movie well or the animated series was overrated, storylines like mutant massacre/phoniex saga are trash, Jean Grey is a pathetic character, Apocalypse is 1 note, Xmen exploit the holocaust, Claremont is a hack, etc etc. I was talking about those other franchises (Die Hard, Alien, Predator), the X-Men Evolution series was really good and got no respect, there are bad X-Men comic stories, etc.
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Post by palerider on Jun 21, 2018 19:30:18 GMT
Eh, he'd just have Strange stand around doing a monolog while the Ancient One does nothing but say pseudo-philosophical jargon while Dormammu was the real star of the movie. Sounds you're ashamed of Dormammmmamanamu. I'd love to see a movie that embraced the wondrousness of Dormamamammmmamaammmmu. I'd say it did, even with his limited screentime.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Jun 21, 2018 20:07:32 GMT
Doesnt change the fact, formersamhmd, that Disney wouldn't handle this franchises. They're not not wrong though. Both The Simpsons and Family Guy have overstayed their welcome as shows. The Simpsons lost its magic somewhere in its eight season and in its ninth season the dip in quality became ever more noticeable especially when they did the episode where Skinner was revealed to be an imposter the whole time( Some say the show "died" the day this episode aired...). That was 21 years ago, it's now 2018 and the quality of the newer episodes range from "meh" to "blah" to "whatever" to "WTF?", nowhere near the genius the golden age presented itself, compare "Stark Raving Dad" to "Lisa Goes Gaga, both were centered around musical guests but only one had well paced humor, drama, had heart and utilized its guest effectively into the story while the other one was just lazy over-promotion with no heart, almost no plot, and had very cringe comedy this side of those lousy "spoof" movies - guess which was which, shouldn't take longer than half a second. Family Guy started as basically a more raunchier, over-the-top take on the animated family sitcom that went all sorts of places but still identified itself as a comedy, but a few years after it was brought back in the mid 00's it became more mean spirited, gross, vulgar, and striving too hard to reach for shock value, not too mention occasional tonal shift from stone serious drama to laugh-out-loud farce. Both Matt Groening and Seth MacFarlane are of the opinion that The Simpsons and Family Guy should've ended more than a while ago, but Fox just keeps wanting to beat a dead horse with...Another dead horse. Fox executives forgot what Die Hard what it was supposed to be after Die Hard With A Vengeance and turned John McClane into a super human in parts four and five. Live Free or Die Hard isn't a bad movie technically speaking but it lacks the grit, charm, and ground of the prior ones( McClane shouldn't be like The Terminator), A Good Day to Die Hard...Less said the better. Alien and Predator both went from the top and then came crashing down to the bottom, no Alien films since Aliens have lived up to the first two and no Predator films since the first have lived up to that. The last three Planet of the Apes were all homeruns and then some, but the trilogy is over so where it goes next is anyone's idea.
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Post by summers8 on Jun 21, 2018 20:12:59 GMT
nice try, but it is mcu movies that are generic movies not xmen The X-men movies (and just the X-men movies) have become generic within itself. All the movies have a similar look and feel to them. The X-men series is very diverse, with Genosha, Savage Land, Mojo World and Outer Space and yet they've done nothing with this. Every movie has had the X-men deal with Magneto has an antagonist. There isn't a single X-men movie where him being confronted hasn't been a plot point. That's five out of five movies that have done the very same thing. I don't hate The Wolverine it's a solid movie. It's cartoonist action didn't fit with the rest of the movie or its tone. The action itself wasn't particularly entertaining. The Avengers was entertaining and had a suitably large scale action scene. I don't read comics, I'm not familiar with that story. It doesn't matter anyway. The MCU doesn't adapt comic storylines. These movies have their own story. The X-men movies have always had jokes and what are these? www.google.com/search?q=x-men+movie+toys&prmd=sivn&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjlvZa8sOXbAhUDGuwKHfK_A-oQ_AUIEigC&biw=600&bih=960&dpr=2The X-men movies have become stale. Interest has plummeted. The Box Office as dropped. All the original cast are gone. They're recycling storylines. Coming up with spin offs that nobody wants. They've had a great run but people have grown tired of them and under Marvel Studios it'll make a come back just as Spider-man did. calling xmen generic would not make mcu not generic when they are, mcu is generic if they were most people would not say so or even use the term the mcu formula, and film makers won't hate, there is no such thing as an xmen formula because it is down to the director and writers and every xmen movie varies in style, direction and tone. you cannot compare bryan singer's xmen, to tim miller's xmen, to brett ratner's xmen, to mathew vaughn's xmen to james mangold's xmen. all the mcu movies are the same and look the same.
the avengers was entertaining but it does not change the fact the movie is about explosions and has no depth. comparing it to X2 or DOFP is laughable. X2 kills the movie because it is more compelling, has more drama and is a deeper film, you will not find another deeper comic film unless you bring up TDK that was dealing with corruption, while X2 was dealing with genocide, racism , prejudice, morality with no clear lines of good and evil.MCU movies dont go that deep because they are generic and superficially light hearted.
yes, it matters , you cant say it does not matter and dismiss the comics that puts you in the wrong. funny that you say the mcu does not adapt storylines, if they don't then that means they are not been true to the source material in context, which makes sense since their movies are more disney sing along movies than actual comic movies. let me break it down for comics and movies.
DOFP (1981)=DOFP movie 2014
god love man kills =X2 old man logan/the death of wolverine = logan
see that fox has no problem with this comics put in films? because they can handle the content. disney can't
if you think xmen becoming like gotg or avengers is good, then your are delusional and in serious denial OF FACTS. thanks, you just proved disney cannot make xmen movies since you said the comics stories don't matter.to xmen fans, the comic stories matters and we expect the content and tone in the films. so do please stop saying xmen fans want xmen in the mcu or disney will do a good job that is a lie you have indirectly admitted.
xmen movies need a hard reboot but not in the mcu. mcu formula is more stale. reason we need xforce, new mutants and xfactor and guess what? disney cant make those movies. new mutants is horror? can disney make that? spare me the laughs please. reply back when disney makes a LOGAN or DOFP. there is reason both movies outclassed their movies in 2014 and 2017 and start with a strong screenplay that mcu does not have.
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Jun 21, 2018 20:28:31 GMT
Ra's trained Bruce in combat, but everything else Bruce taught himself. Sounds like you wanted a Gary Stue Batman. Ra's story didn't take up the whole film. Hell he didn't return until the final battle. OR it means you have a great villain to explore. Marvel did this with Thanos, did you hate that? Bruce's approach came from Ra's philosophies, the idea of dressing up and being an Icon rather than a Man, his techniques, etc. It's all from Ra's.
Yeah, but everything about Scarecrow was Ra's behind the scenes too.
Marvel waited until all their heroes were established and developed to do this. As opposed to always making the villain the star of every movie.
He got the idea of theatrics from Ra's and learn to fight from him, that's it. He built the suit himself. He study and taught himself, there's a scene where he is reading books about criminology. Ra's got a total of screen time off at least 20-25 minutes in a 2 hour film. How is that him being the main character?
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Post by Nicko's Nose on Jun 21, 2018 20:46:38 GMT
Charzino in a nutshell:
“Wow that MCU movie was awesome! One of the best comic book movies I’ve ever seen!”
*1 minute later*
“MCU is kiddie garbage”
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