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Post by ProjectError on Mar 18, 2017 18:42:46 GMT
We often chastise pedophiles for just being pedophiles alone. But I've heard pedophiles say they've give anything to be attracted to adult women. It's only pedophiles who act their urges that should be rebuked; law-abiding ones should be offered help and counseling.
The left is against gay conversion therapy, saying homosexuality is not a choice and should be accepted. But what if pedophilia operates under that same principle? What if their attraction is not a choice? When you think about, law-abiding pedophiles have the most oppressed life: Unlike homosexuals, they can't act on their sexual urges, and have to go throughout their whole lives abstaining from sexual acts with their preference, as they should, but life must really suck for them.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2017 18:46:37 GMT
So what are you saying, in amongst the gibberish?
Do me a favour, treat me like an idiot, and do me a quick summation...
Because it sounds to me like you are equating gay people with paedophiles?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2017 18:56:11 GMT
Equating gay people with paedophiles is exactly what the point is, as well as equating straight people with paedophiles. It's a preference that isn't chosen. The difference is between paedophile and child abuser. One can be a paedophile and have sexual attraction to children without acting upon it.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2017 19:18:36 GMT
Equating gay people with paedophiles is exactly what the point is, as well as equating straight people with paedophiles. It's a preference that isn't chosen. The difference is between paedophile and child abuser. One can be a paedophile and have sexual attraction to children without acting upon it. So... to get this right... You are stating that being a paedophile is a normal state of mind, and as morally acceptable as being gay or straight? Just so we understand each other here. |
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Mar 18, 2017 19:30:55 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2017 19:38:21 GMT
Yay! Another gay thread! Be fair... It's a gay thread, wrapped up in a veneer of equivalence with paedophilia  |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2017 19:41:00 GMT
Equating gay people with paedophiles is exactly what the point is, as well as equating straight people with paedophiles. It's a preference that isn't chosen. The difference is between paedophile and child abuser. One can be a paedophile and have sexual attraction to children without acting upon it. So... to get this right... You are stating that being a paedophile is a normal state of mind, and as morally acceptable as being gay or straight? Just so we understand each other here. Normal? No, it's not 'the norm' but there's a difference between normal and naturally occurring. I don't have enough knowledge to say whether it's naturally occurring or due to experiences, but I would stick my neck out and say it's not 'chosen'. I'm not getting into the morals of it. To me, actions, not urges, are to be judged morally, so if a person has certain urges but doesn't act upon them and causes no harm to others, 'moral' isn't an issue. The argument could be made that a person who chooses not to act upon their urges because they know it's wrong is acting in a moral way. |
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Post by ProjectError on Mar 18, 2017 19:55:18 GMT
Equating gay people with paedophiles is exactly what the point is, as well as equating straight people with paedophiles. It's a preference that isn't chosen. The difference is between paedophile and child abuser. One can be a paedophile and have sexual attraction to children without acting upon it. So... to get this right... You are stating that being a paedophile is a normal state of mind, and as morally acceptable as being gay or straight? Just so we understand each other here. Bruh... you are not reading the literal point. I know it's a controversial topic, but come on. A homosexual is attracted to the same sex. A Pedophile is attracted to children. A Heterosexual is attracted to the opposite sex. Those are fact. Now whether these attractions are genetic, or social environment, I leave that up to argue. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2017 19:56:24 GMT
So... to get this right... You are stating that being a paedophile is a normal state of mind, and as morally acceptable as being gay or straight? Just so we understand each other here. Normal? No, it's not 'the norm' but there's a difference between normal and naturally occurring. I don't have enough knowledge to say whether it's naturally occurring or due to experiences, but I would stick my neck out and say it's not 'chosen'. I'm not getting into the morals of it. To me, actions, not urges, are to be judged morally, so if a person has certain urges but doesn't act upon them and causes no harm to others, 'moral' isn't an issue. The argument could be made that a person who chooses not to act upon their urges because they know it's wrong is acting in a moral way. Yeah, I kind of get what you are saying... I still think the OP is a tool though. |
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Post by Nostalgias4Geeks🌈 on Mar 18, 2017 20:07:23 GMT
I'm sure pedophiles don't choose to be pedophiles. If anything society should be more open to helping them, rather than simply tossing them in jail or wishing them dead. If someone has urges they don't want, then they shouldn't be terrified of going to a counselor for help.
That said, homosexuality and pedophillia are two very different things. One is about gender, the other is about age. As far as relationships go, as long as it's two consenting adults (or two consenting teens or whatever), then there isn't an issue.
The majority of pedophiles were likely abused at a younger age, and for whatever reason it warps their psyche to target children of around the same age they were abused. Pedophillia is often not a natural variation of sexuality, but a symptom of a damaged mind.
In most cases. I'm sure on occasion there are pedophiles who come from great homes. Reason doesn't change the problem.
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Post by allaby on Mar 18, 2017 20:15:46 GMT
I do agree that pedophiles don't choose who they are attracted to. I suspect that it is a lot more common than people think and I bet that many adults have had attractions to children at some point in their adult lives. I don't think there is anything wrong or immoral about an adult having an attraction to someone who is underage as long as they don't act on it. I think society should be more understanding and accepting of adult attractions towards children, provided the adult isn't harming the child.
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Post by gameboy on Mar 18, 2017 20:25:48 GMT
The attraction itself is a mental illness. And I'm talking here about real pedophilia, sexual attraction to prepubescent children. They are unable to function sexually, therefore logic tells us that anyone who seeks sex with them is beating their head against a wall and will only end up at a dead end. It's not fulfilling for one party, the child, so it's dysfunctional for the adult.
And it's important to note we're not talking about ephebophilia, or attraction to adolescents. Health professionals do not regard that as a mental illness. That is ethically wrong but not necessarily unnatural.
So it doesn't really matter whether pedophiles can help it or not. They're a danger to children and must be dealt with as a criminal class.
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Post by fatpaul on Mar 18, 2017 20:28:17 GMT
So... to get this right... You are stating that being a paedophile is a normal state of mind, and as morally acceptable as being gay or straight? Just so we understand each other here. Bruh... you are not reading the literal point. I know it's a controversial topic, but come on. A homosexual is attracted to the same sex. A Pedophile is attracted to children. A Heterosexual is attracted to the opposite sex. Those are fact. Now whether these attractions are genetic, or social environment, I leave that up to argue. What about: Non-pedo: adults attracted to adults. Pedo: adults attracted to children. Are not my categories not fact as well and linguistically more economical than yours, in that there only two options and one distinction between adults and children therefore no unnecessary predicates upon predicates . Now whether these attractions are genetic, or social environment, I leave that up to argue. If you think your categorisation is better, tell me how? |
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Post by clusium on Mar 18, 2017 22:39:23 GMT
We often chastise pedophiles for just being pedophiles alone. But I've heard pedophiles say they've give anything to be attracted to adult women. It's only pedophiles who act their urges that should be rebuked; law-abiding ones should be offered help and counseling. The left is against gay conversion therapy, saying homosexuality is not a choice and should be accepted. But what if pedophilia operates under that same principle? What if their attraction is not a choice? When you think about, law-abiding pedophiles have the most oppressed life: Unlike homosexuals, they can't act on their sexual urges, and have to go throughout their whole lives abstaining from sexual acts with their preference, as they should, but life must really suck for them. I agree that those with pedophiliac attraction, but, do not act upon them, deserve our compassion & therapy for help for their problems. |
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Post by awhina on Mar 19, 2017 3:52:53 GMT
The left is against gay conversion therapy, saying homosexuality is not a choice and should be accepted. But what if pedophilia operates under that same principle? There's no evidence that's true just as there's no evidence that homosexuality is nit a choice. |
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Post by awhina on Mar 19, 2017 3:54:14 GMT
and as morally acceptable as being gay or straight? Which is solely your opinion. Being gay is not morally acceptable at all. |
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Post by awhina on Mar 19, 2017 3:55:25 GMT
I do agree that pedophiles don't choose who they are attracted to. I suspect that it is a lot more common than people think and I bet that many adults have had attractions to children at some point in their adult lives. I don't think there is anything wrong or immoral about an adult having an attraction to someone who is underage as long as they don't act on it. I think society should be more understanding and accepting of adult attractions towards children, provided the adult isn't harming the child. Oh Allaby, how predictable you are!  |
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Post by Nostalgias4Geeks🌈 on Mar 19, 2017 3:56:13 GMT
and as morally acceptable as being gay or straight? Which is solely your opinion. Being gay is not morally acceptable at all. Which is solely your opinion. Being gay is perfectly morally acceptable. |
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Post by awhina on Mar 19, 2017 4:23:05 GMT
Which is solely your opinion. Being gay is perfectly morally acceptable. To homosexuals themselves and to chinbeards, yes. To the rest of the world, no. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2017 5:37:22 GMT
I think that it's reasonable to say that most people must hate being paedophiles. Their sexual preference is not and cannot be socially sanctioned and they must constantly deny their sexual urges as well as be demonised by society at large, regardless of whether or not they act on their urges. Nobody would want to be a paedophile if they had the choice.
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