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Post by dazz on Jun 26, 2018 4:53:26 GMT
As title says a what if game for us to play pick a single episode from any of the Arrowverse and change it, trick is it can only change that episode, cant alter something that will massively derail future storylines, so what would you change?
My pick is the black mercy episode of Supergirl, now im a lttle split as I have 2 ways I would change it, 1 is specifically Alex does NOT enter Kara's dream to rescue her, Kara instead constructs a Alex in the dream as the window into her real life, and through her connection to Alex she is able to break free from the dream herself without any actual help from anyone, OR Alex enters the dream but Kara doesn't recognise her and most of the episode happens as it did, but we learn Kara actually does recognise Alex and has all along as well as recognise what is going on, but she's letting herself succumb to the black mercy because she misses krypton so much, so she tells Alex to leave but then Alex reveals she cant, if Kara doesn't wake up neither will Alex, and this is what forces Kara to wake up because she's willing to die to go home but she will not let Alex die also, showing not only Kara's longing for home but truly how deep the bond with Alex is that she's the only thing that could make Kara sacrifice that.
I think either f them do more for the characters and the story than the hodge podge they did of both where Kara wants to sat but Alex comes to help but Kara at first doesn't recognise her but through the "bonds of sisterhood" does Kara miraculously recall this shit before getting free, either having Kara's love for her sister manifest subconsciously or Kara's longing for home be more powerful than her longing to be with her friends has far more emotional weight to it imo, plus going forward it doesn't change anything other than let the viewers know the actual importance of these characters to one another and Supergirls connection to her home, which the episode was meant to convey but didn't do as good a job as they could have imo.
So anyone else got any what if scenarios they rather see happen that wouldn't change one of the shows overall plot?
This means NO you cannot kill Savage in episode 1 of LOT or make it so the Hawk people aren't utter tripe...sorry wish we could though. |
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Post by stargazer1682 on Jun 26, 2018 15:07:58 GMT
The black mercy episode certainly could be redone better. By all rights of the premise, Kara should never have even known she wasn't where she was supposed to be. And in that vein, it would have made sense for Alex to have to enter her mind and insert herself into the fantasy. Or if, as you suggested, Kara built her own Alex to save her, but subconsciously.
For Supergirl, I would change the season 1 finale, where Non uses his mind control to force Jame, Winn and some nameless Catco extra off a balcony. Naturally Kara saves Winn and James, but the extra dies and everyone is sad, because it's.... Nicole or someone... Even though they kinda needed to make Kara linger after the first two catches to slow her down enough not catch the third.
My edit would be that she doesn't catch Winn and on her grief fueled fury goes after Non, et al. BUT, Winn survives. We don't immediately understand how, but after Kara leaves, Winn gets up like he only has the wind knocked out of him. Now I can't decide whether the reveal happens in a private moment looking in a mirror, or him joining the fight, since it's hypothetical it doesn't really matter; what matters is the reason he survived is because he's an android. He didn't know he was an android, but he is; and a sophisticated one, created by the Toyman to replace his son who died. This explains his affinity with technology and such. It wouldn't necessarily undermine subsequent stories, just present unrealized story possibilities, which is basically Winn's status quo.
I would bend the rules enough to explain away him getting sick by Pestilence; which could be that it was a techo-organic virus, capable of attacking organic and artificial life; and through his survival, he's immunized against the AI virus Brainiac unleashed - which, for some reason they can't replicate; which makes about as much sense as pegging any hope on a man literally a thousand years out of his depth technologically, just because he invented the proverbial wheel.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2018 15:19:47 GMT
I am not so arrogant that i think i could do a better job than professional writers.
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Post by dazz on Jun 26, 2018 15:51:02 GMT
I am not so arrogant that i think i could do a better job than professional writers.
Well then you're a bit of a ninny imo because A: I have had more time to contemplate this issue than they did, B: I have had the benefit of hindsight, C: I have no limitations on what I would want to see other than the ones imposed on myself, D: I'm altering an element of a already existing story not crafting one wholly on my own and E: It's a bit of fun so if your not going to engage in it then plz just go otherwise engage.
Literally you can pick any silly thing you want just because it irks you like id have so and so part their hair to the left not the right because too the left just looks weird to me, a silly one for me is have Felicity not be shooting at an upward angle in the episode with the throwing card meta, because it looks silly she somehow hits him in the shoulder when firing at an upwards angle from across the room whilst their both standing, that's not a writing thing but a director/actor thing.
Or you know keep being a miserable bastard what do I care? Stargazer like your but it def alters the show huge going forward, still dig it though. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2018 11:44:32 GMT
Interesting question Dazz and if you are talking about changing things in an episode that wouldn’t affect the course of the TV show the one change I would make is having Maxwell Lord killed off in the final episode Season One ‘cause we never saw him again after that and as far as I can recall he wasn’t mentioned either so by killing him off in the final episode of Season One I feel they would have given closure to his story and they wouldn’t have had people asking where he went the following season. However, if I could make one change in an episode that would affect the show I would have had the show start off with Kara waking up on earth at the age she was in the first season 'cause that would have made it more like the comic books and while I wasn't a big fan of the Helen Slater they did it in that and I think they took away a big part of her character by having her grow up on earth with a human family. 
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Post by dazz on Jun 29, 2018 15:06:17 GMT
Interesting question Dazz and if you are talking about changing things in an episode that wouldn’t affect the course of the TV show the one change I would make is having Maxwell Lord killed off in the final episode Season One ‘cause we never saw him again after that and as far as I can recall he wasn’t mentioned either so by killing him off in the final episode of Season One I feel they would have given closure to his story and they wouldn’t have had people asking where he went the following season. I really like this one, makes sense fixes the problem of him just not being around anymore and also it creates real stakes in the episode, tells everyone this is the finale people, shit can go down and people can die here so be ready for anything to happen, this Deb deserves 2 thumbs up.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2018 11:33:52 GMT
Thanks. It does seem like a good idea and I am surprised the writers of ‘Supergirl’ didn’t do it ‘cause it would have added to the final episode as you mentioned and it also would have explained why we didn’t see the character after Season One. I am wondering if they knew the actor was going to leave when they were writing the final episode or it was something they didn’t find out until after ‘cause it seemed kinda silly just to have him disappear with no explanation like they explained why Lucy Lane left even though it wasn’t the greatest explanation but they didn’t pretend like she wasn’t in the show before.  Well I walked straight into that one didn't I? 
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Post by General Kenobi on Jul 1, 2018 15:33:58 GMT
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Post by hardball on Jul 4, 2018 1:14:56 GMT
Felicity never gets out of her wheelchair.
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Post by General Kenobi on Jul 5, 2018 18:17:19 GMT
Better yt, Felicity was never conceived.
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Post by dazz on Jul 6, 2018 15:40:17 GMT
No best yet Felicity is killed by Slade in the S2 finale so we get the fun of the character when she was enjoyable but kill her in a meaningful way before she turns in a souring spunk nugget.
That way the show wouldn't have had to derail the Laurel or even Thea characters in S3 & 4 to prop up Felicity as a strong female character, or had to kill Sara for no fucking reason, still think that was stupid imo.
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Post by General Kenobi on Jul 7, 2018 14:53:23 GMT
I like your idea much better. Because Felicity was a likable character before they derailed her completely in Season 3. Giving her a meaningful death would make us remember her at her best, instead of having her at her worst.
Maybe we should put you in charge of writing for the shows.
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Post by dazz on Jul 7, 2018 22:03:08 GMT
Only if I can have Deb as my much smarter partner in crime, with her knowledge, my insanity, her optimism & my sarcasm, her aussie charm and my brit wit we could turn this shit around...that or we would fuck things up 100 times worse but dammit im game if everyone else is.
Wait nah fuck it I just realised they wont let me turn the CW into a porn channel so that's 90% of my ideas and 99.999% of my drive down the shitter, it's all on you now Deb.
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