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Post by brownstones on Mar 26, 2017 5:26:26 GMT
well, they literally brought ford back just to kill him....since well everyone knows he wasn't too fond of han solo.
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Post by poelzig on Mar 26, 2017 5:34:56 GMT
What's the wolf man character? The one on the left, although there's a little bit on both of them below: From Wookieepedia:
"Makeup artist Rick Baker decided to use off-the-shelf masks to perform some reshoots of the booths in the cantina scenes. He used two different furry wolfman masks. The first one to appear onscreen would be identified as "Wolfman" during the shooting, and later as Arleil Schous, a Defel.[19] The other mask was called "Hyena-Man" during the production. In 1989, the Expanded Universe gave "Hyena-Man" a more detailed identity as Lak Sivrak, the Shistavanen Wolfman.
Lak Sivrak, the Shistavanen Wolfman, was not mentioned in the novelization of A New Hope, beyond a widely generic mention to "creatures with fur" in the cantina.
In 1997, Sivrak was digitally replaced for the Special Edition of A New Hope. A detailed puppet later known as Ketwol would be seen in his place, leaving Lak's canoncity disputed."
Spiteful little shit that he is, JJ Abrams put the "Wolfman" character in his horrible, piss-poor cantina scene as a subtle and personal jab at George Lucas, one of the few people who would've even noticed his inclusion, to make it clear in no uncertain terms that the intention of Abrams/Kennedy/Disney is the do everything possible to undermine and discredit Lucas's vision for Star Wars; here he is: Is that E.T.'s half Alien relative standing behind that raccoon monkey? That whole scene reminds me of one from a different movie but I can't quite put my finger on it.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Mar 26, 2017 5:55:33 GMT
Is that E.T.'s half Alien relative standing behind that raccoon monkey? That whole scene reminds me of one from a different movie but I can't quite put my finger on it. Is it this one?
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Mar 26, 2017 5:58:49 GMT
well, they literally brought ford back just to kill him....since well everyone knows he wasn't too fond of han solo. Yep, and Ford hornswoggled them into making a fifth Indiana Jones film in the bargain.
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Post by shinnickneth on Mar 26, 2017 9:58:09 GMT
Yep, and Ford hornswoggled them into making a fifth Indiana Jones film in the bargain. Now that's a word I haven't heard in a long time. A long time. In all seriousness, I doubt Ford had to trick them. Disney isn't in the business of buying lucrative movie franchises to just sit on them. That wouldn't be a good business decision for any corporation/business. They would most certainly make an Indiana Jones movie whether Ford wanted to be a part of it or not. Spielberg said he wouldn't make another without Ford though, so I think that's in his favor.
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Post by srb3 on Mar 30, 2017 17:30:45 GMT
Actually I understand Star Wars quite well. More than you ever will in fact. You are lying by the way. Han Solo was supposed to die in episode VI. Fact. Regardless of how Harrison Ford felt about the character, Has Solo was to die in episode VI. That was the story Lucas, Kurtz and Kasdan mapped out back when they were mapping out the original trilogy. It was Lucas who made changes to episode VI. Kurtz left, Kasdan followed suit. Actually, the death in Return of the Jedi was not Han. Originally Lando/Nien Nunb were supposed to die blowing up the second Death star - taking the Millennium Falcon with them. There's even a line still in the movie where Han is looking at the Falcon and says something along the lines, "I get the feeling I'm never going to see her again." Leia then reassures him. For whatever reason, George Lucas decided not to kill them. Harrison Ford was the one who kept suggesting George Lucas should kill off Han. He made the suggestion in Episode 5, and then again during the making of Episode 6. Han dying was never in the script for either of those movies. I don't know where you heard that. Originally, Star Wars episode IV was being written by Lucas. While Lucas wrote the earliest drafts, he brought in Kurtz and Kasdan to develop Star Wars episode IV. Together Lucas, Kurtz and Kasdan wrote the script that they would use to film Star Wars episode IV. After Star Wars episode IV was written, they then wrote episodes V and VI. That’s right, *before* Star Wars episode IV was filmed, the *entire* Star Wars Original Trilogy was written. In Star Wars episode VI Han Solo was to *die*. That had nothing to do who played Han, as no one was cast yet, because Star Wars episode IV was not in production yet. That was the plan. Han Solo was to *die* in Star Wars episode VI. Now at some point, obviously Harrison Ford found about this and was on board. That was not about Harrison Ford being ‘ungrateful’ or some crap, just the opposite. This was him being a team player and being on board with the plan. As far as Harrison Ford having roles that made him famous , yes playing Han Solo did make him famous but soon after Star Wars episode IV he was in this little movie called Raiders of the Lost Ark in which he played some archeologist named Dr. Henry Jones jr. Mabey you’ve heard of it. Mabey not. At any rate, it was Lucas who changed plans for Star Wars episode VI at the 11th hour so that Han would live. Pure economics on Lucas’ part as Lucas correctly noted that Han Solo was the most popular Star Wars character. Other changes were made by Lucas as well but those are other issues (for other possible threads) . Kurtz left, Kasdan soon followed. So yes, Harrison Ford wanted to leave Star Wars episode VI. He wasn’t being ‘ungrateful’ he was disgusted by Lucas as Kurtz and Kasdan were. So back to the question here, Han Solo dying in Star Wars episode VII is *right* because he was *supposed* to die in Star Wars episode VI. Better late than never.
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Post by shinnickneth on Mar 30, 2017 19:49:00 GMT
Actually, the death in Return of the Jedi was not Han. Originally Lando/Nien Nunb were supposed to die blowing up the second Death star - taking the Millennium Falcon with them. There's even a line still in the movie where Han is looking at the Falcon and says something along the lines, "I get the feeling I'm never going to see her again." Leia then reassures him. For whatever reason, George Lucas decided not to kill them. Harrison Ford was the one who kept suggesting George Lucas should kill off Han. He made the suggestion in Episode 5, and then again during the making of Episode 6. Han dying was never in the script for either of those movies. I don't know where you heard that. Originally, Star Wars episode IV was being written by Lucas. While Lucas wrote the earliest drafts, he brought in Kurtz and Kasdan to develop Star Wars episode IV. Together Lucas, Kurtz and Kasdan wrote the script that they would use to film Star Wars episode IV. After Star Wars episode IV was written, they then wrote episodes V and VI. That’s right, *before* Star Wars episode IV was filmed, the *entire* Star Wars Original Trilogy was written. In Star Wars episode VI Han Solo was to *die*. That had nothing to do who played Han, as no one was cast yet, because Star Wars episode IV was not in production yet. That was the plan. Han Solo was to *die* in Star Wars episode VI. Now at some point, obviously Harrison Ford found about this and was on board. That was not about Harrison Ford being ‘ungrateful’ or some crap, just the opposite. This was him being a team player and being on board with the plan. As far as Harrison Ford having roles that made him famous , yes playing Han Solo did make him famous but soon after Star Wars episode IV he was in this little movie called Raiders of the Lost Ark in which he played some archeologist named Dr. Henry Jones jr. Mabey you’ve heard of it. Mabey not. At any rate, it was Lucas who changed plans for Star Wars episode VI at the 11th hour so that Han would live. Pure economics on Lucas’ part as Lucas correctly noted that Han Solo was the most popular Star Wars character. Other changes were made by Lucas as well but those are other issues (for other possible threads) . Kurtz left, Kasdan soon followed. So yes, Harrison Ford wanted to leave Star Wars episode VI. He wasn’t being ‘ungrateful’ he was disgusted by Lucas as Kurtz and Kasdan were. So back to the question here, Han Solo dying in Star Wars episode VII is *right* because he was *supposed* to die in Star Wars episode VI. Better late than never. Have you ever watched any of the official Lucasfilm documentaries on the Star Wars franchise? The ones that came with the various DVD sets? If not, I suggest you check them out because you're misguided/misinformed about Han Solo originally being written to die. I don't say this to be a jerk or to belittle you or that I'm on some type of superiority trip. I say this because it's best not to spread false information around the Internet - that's how rumors that just won't die get started.
Besides the documentaries as proof, Harrison Ford said in interviews that it was his own idea to have Han die in Episode 5. He said he thought it would work because Han would die to save his friends. He thought that Han was a "simple, not so bright character" and that he had fulfilled all the character development that he possibly could in the series. He said Han might as well die and help further along the other characters instead of just being the comic relief. Then when it didn't happen in 5, Harrison suggested the same idea for Episode 6. Both times he was turned down by George Lucas who wanted to sell more toys. I don't say this to put down George either (there's nothing wrong with making money). It's only the truth of what happened. In terms of Kasdan being "disgusted" by George Lucas, that's just nonsense. They had a difference of opinion on how the original trilogy should progress/end but they got along well. Lucas even called Kasdan when he was getting ready to work on Episode 1 because he wanted Kasdan to help him polish the treatment for the movie. Kasdan turned him down only due to Episode 1 not having Han Solo in it (Han is Kasdan's favorite Star Wars character believe it or not). This shows that each of them holds no animosity for the other from the days of the OT.
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