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Post by Toasted Cheese on Apr 4, 2017 22:31:51 GMT
Jeremy Renner Luke Evans was out but back in the closet? Kevin Spacey is out but private, doesn't talk about it Link please? Especially on Spacey. ha! Links prove jack! Give me a link to show they are straight, or is that just perceived as normal by default? |
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Post by MiketheMechanic on Apr 4, 2017 22:49:25 GMT
Jackman is straight. Just because he's worked in musical theater doesn't make him gay. Just because he is married to a hag, has 2 adopted children, has worked in musical theatre, has starred in action films, doesn't make him straight. What an absolute blow to your ignorance and ego that must be. Sounds like you want him to be gay because he fits your stereotype of a gay person. He's married to an older woman and has adopted children, of course he has to be gay!! lol Read this article from March 2017 on why gay men love Hugh Jackman: www.gaypopbuzz.com/7-reasons-gay-men-love-hugh-jackman/ |
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Apr 4, 2017 22:57:15 GMT
Just because he is married to a hag, has 2 adopted children, has worked in musical theatre, has starred in action films, doesn't make him straight. What an absolute blow to your ignorance and ego that must be. Sounds like you want him to be gay because he fits your stereotype of a gay person. He's married to an older woman and has adopted children, of course he has to be gay!! lol Read this article from March 2017 on why gay men love Hugh Jackman: www.gaypopbuzz.com/7-reasons-gay-men-love-hugh-jackman/Sounds like you want him to be straight, to fit the image of normalcy and expectation you have of your idols being straight. Yes, the stereotypical actor who plays a charade to pull the wool over the sheeps eyes, so to have a career. They just love dolts like you. |
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Post by MiketheMechanic on Apr 4, 2017 23:40:26 GMT
Sounds like you want him to be gay because he fits your stereotype of a gay person. He's married to an older woman and has adopted children, of course he has to be gay!! lol Read this article from March 2017 on why gay men love Hugh Jackman: www.gaypopbuzz.com/7-reasons-gay-men-love-hugh-jackman/Sounds like you want him to be straight, to fit the image of normalcy and expectation you have of your idols being straight. Yes, the stereotypical actor who plays a charade to pull the wool over the sheeps eyes, so to have a career. They just love dolts like you. I was never a huge Hugh fan (and I'm gay!) so out the window goes your theory. Tell me, in this day and age (and at his age) what possible reason(s) could he have for staying in the closet? |
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Post by movielover on Apr 4, 2017 23:51:44 GMT
Link please? Especially on Spacey. ha! Links prove jack! Give me a link to show they are straight, or is that just perceived as normal by default? The OP had said Spacey was out, but everything I've read says Spacey won't comment on his sexual orientation. So I was just wondering what the OP's source was. |
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Post by MiketheMechanic on Apr 5, 2017 3:50:50 GMT
ha! Links prove jack! Give me a link to show they are straight, or is that just perceived as normal by default? The OP had said Spacey was out, but everything I've read says Spacey won't comment on his sexual orientation. So I was just wondering what the OP's source was. There's a lot out there to read but you're right, he won't comment on his orientation - at least not yet. I'll give him a few more years before he comes out of the closet. Here's an interesting story: gawker.com/remember-when-kevin-spacey-groped-a-male-model-in-publi-1663777132 |
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Apr 6, 2017 8:36:52 GMT
Sounds like you want him to be straight, to fit the image of normalcy and expectation you have of your idols being straight. Yes, the stereotypical actor who plays a charade to pull the wool over the sheeps eyes, so to have a career. They just love dolts like you. I was never a huge Hugh fan (and I'm gay!) so out the window goes your theory. Tell me, in this day and age (and at his age) what possible reason(s) could he have for staying in the closet? You must be very unworldly or just being insincere, perhaps both. What is it you miss about the essence of what has already been said? Jackman is an actor and still very popular and is a leading man. He would have a lot to lose by coming out of the closet and that is why he has remained there to this day. The veiled and sometime not veiled scorn and contempt that most people feel for homosexuality is still prevalent. If you think people don't have any reason to stay in the closet, then you must go around with your head in the clouds. |
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Apr 6, 2017 8:38:30 GMT
ha! Links prove jack! Give me a link to show they are straight, or is that just perceived as normal by default? The OP had said Spacey was out, but everything I've read says Spacey won't comment on his sexual orientation. So I was just wondering what the OP's source was. Is a source needed to prove that someone is straight? That is the point. A bit of common sense and instinct also goes along way. |
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Post by movielover on Apr 6, 2017 14:14:04 GMT
The OP had said Spacey was out, but everything I've read says Spacey won't comment on his sexual orientation. So I was just wondering what the OP's source was. That is the point. A bit of common sense and instinct also goes along way. If that source is a record of him stating publicly that he is in fact straight or gay, then you bet it is! I'm not going to make conclusions about the man based on rumors alone. Yes, I suspect he probably is gay, and it may be "common sense" to assume he's gay, but I still like to be sure. |
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Apr 6, 2017 14:26:48 GMT
Is a source needed to prove that someone is straight? That is the point. A bit of common sense and instinct also goes along way. If that source is a record of him stating publicly that he is in fact straight or gay, then you bet it is! I'm not going to make conclusions about the man based on rumors alone. Yes, I suspect he probably is gay, and it may be "common sense" to assume he's gay, but I still like to be sure. As far as most actors are concerned, they will be claiming they are straight. That is the social norm and construct that needs to be promoted and pandered to, to make them feasible. There have been many rumors surrounding Spacey, but why does being gay even have to be a rumor? Yes, I know that is just reality and it is not seen on equal terms or a genuine sexuality like heterosexuality by many; but that just comes down to ignorance and conditioning. I don't blame actors for remaining in the closet, it would work in favor of their careers; but you are also thinking "hetero" before "homo" and that is also denying something that is inherent in all males, just that many men are choosing the "straight" path if they are also capable of engaging in heterosexuality, which makes them "bisexual". Perhaps Spacey swings both way, the pull could be stronger for homo.
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Post by MiketheMechanic on Apr 6, 2017 15:38:21 GMT
I was never a huge Hugh fan (and I'm gay!) so out the window goes your theory. Tell me, in this day and age (and at his age) what possible reason(s) could he have for staying in the closet? You must be very unworldly or just being insincere, perhaps both. What is it you miss about the essence of what has already been said? Jackman is an actor and still very popular and is a leading man. He would have a lot to lose by coming out of the closet and that is why he has remained there to this day. The veiled and sometime not veiled scorn and contempt that most people feel for homosexuality is still prevalent. If you think people don't have any reason to stay in the closet, then you must go around with your head in the clouds. As someone who has been involved in gay rights in New York communities for over 35 years your first sentence gave me a chuckle. Yes, there are and there will always be people who feel the way they feel about homosexuals and homosexuality but as a whole we cannot change people's perceptions of what they feel or deem is right or wrong about one's sexual persuasion. However, in the entertainment industry it is deemed more acceptable. The entertainment industry, the sports industry and others have embraced entertainers, athletes, etc who have recently come out of the closet, with little or no backlash or permanent damage to their careers. A prime example is Wentworth Miller, the star of the ultra-macho and very popular show Prison Break, which recently returned to television. He came out of the closet a couple of years ago and what was the typical reaction? Meh. It's not a big deal - anymore! Rupert Everett, another leading man came out nearly twenty years ago (albeit to mixed box-office results but that was mostly because of bad movie choices). If it were true that Jackman were gay and decided one day to come out of the closet the only thing he would have to lose would be his pride. Nothing else. You're reading way more into Jackman than you should. |
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Apr 6, 2017 15:55:15 GMT
As someone who has been involved in gay rights in New York communities for over 35 years your first sentence gave me a chuckle. Yes, there are and there will always be people who feel the way they feel about homosexuals and homosexuality but as a whole we cannot change people's perceptions of what they feel or deem is right or wrong about one's sexual persuasion. However, in the entertainment industry it is deemed more acceptable. The entertainment industry, the sports industry and others have embraced entertainers, athletes, etc who have recently come out of the closet, with little or no backlash or permanent damage to their careers. A prime example is Wentworth Miller, the star of the ultra-macho and very popular show Prison Break, which recently returned to television. He came out of the closet a couple of years ago and what was the typical reaction? Meh. It's not a big deal - anymore! Rupert Everett, another leading man came out nearly twenty years ago (albeit to mixed box-office results but that was mostly because of bad movie choices). If it were true that Jackman were gay and decided one day to come out of the closet the only thing he would have to lose would be his pride. Nothing else. You're reading way more into Jackman than you should. I don't really care for the gay rights movement anymore, and while they are exposure, if it wasn't an issue and a big deal, they wouldn't still need their movement, which "does" provoke condescension and ridicule by many and may be more detrimental than good. Wentworth Miller is not an 'A' list leading man and neither was Everett, who did look gay. While I admire their tenacity in coming out, it is still largely seen as a stigma and blight on a movie career. Knowing an actor is gay for many, would still be a big turnoff and that is the way it is and affects choice of roles presented. Yes, Jackman and other big name stars have their pride to lose and that is how they have clung to their status, by holding onto it. They could do a whole lot for the way the herd perceive homosexuals, but at the same time I don't blame them for not coming out. Perhaps you are not reading enough into Jackman, or even others. |
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Post by MiketheMechanic on Apr 6, 2017 16:30:16 GMT
As someone who has been involved in gay rights in New York communities for over 35 years your first sentence gave me a chuckle. Yes, there are and there will always be people who feel the way they feel about homosexuals and homosexuality but as a whole we cannot change people's perceptions of what they feel or deem is right or wrong about one's sexual persuasion. However, in the entertainment industry it is deemed more acceptable. The entertainment industry, the sports industry and others have embraced entertainers, athletes, etc who have recently come out of the closet, with little or no backlash or permanent damage to their careers. A prime example is Wentworth Miller, the star of the ultra-macho and very popular show Prison Break, which recently returned to television. He came out of the closet a couple of years ago and what was the typical reaction? Meh. It's not a big deal - anymore! Rupert Everett, another leading man came out nearly twenty years ago (albeit to mixed box-office results but that was mostly because of bad movie choices). If it were true that Jackman were gay and decided one day to come out of the closet the only thing he would have to lose would be his pride. Nothing else. You're reading way more into Jackman than you should. I don't really care for the gay rights movement anymore, and while they are exposure, if it wasn't an issue and a big deal, they wouldn't still need their movement, which "does" provoke condescension and ridicule by many and may be more detrimental than good. Wentworth Miller is not an 'A' list leading man and neither was Everett, who did look gay. While I admire their tenacity in coming out, it is still largely seen as a stigma and blight on a movie career. Knowing an actor is gay for many, would still be a big turnoff and that is the way it is and affects choice of roles presented. Yes, Jackman and other big name stars have their pride to lose and that is how they have clung to their status, by holding onto it. They could do a whole lot for the way the herd perceive homosexuals, but at the same time I don't blame them for not coming out. Perhaps you are not reading enough into Jackman, or even others. I don't want to read too much into Jackman because I'm simply not as invested as you seem to be in determining/revealing his sexuality. At the end of the day if he's gay, orange or baked bread, who cares? He's an entertainer and his private life should have no baring on his career whatsoever. This isn't the Rock Hudson era when the movie studios were afraid that the public would be turned off if they knew their leading man was gay. Yes, beards still do exist but it's not as bad as it was fifty years ago. And just for the record, even if he were gay it should be his sole decision to come out of the closet and he should do so because he wants to, not because he's dictated by 'rules' that he would be doing the right thing and lead the way for others as to how they perceive homosexuals. |
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Apr 6, 2017 22:01:51 GMT
I don't want to read too much into Jackman because I'm simply not as invested as you seem to be in determining/revealing his sexuality. At the end of the day if he's gay, orange or baked bread, who cares? He's an entertainer and his private life should have no baring on his career whatsoever. This isn't the Rock Hudson era when the movie studios were afraid that the public would be turned off if they knew their leading man was gay. Yes, beards still do exist but it's not as bad as it was fifty years ago. And just for the record, even if he were gay it should be his sole decision to come out of the closet and he should do so because he wants to, not because he's dictated by 'rules' that he would be doing the right thing and lead the way for others as to how they perceive homosexuals.I don't think you are getting the gist of what is being said, or you are just being deliberately obtuse. This is an open chat thread about a specific topic and I have given an opinion. Jackman's name was mentioned so I have said what I feel and gave a reason. I am not invested in what he does in his personal life and if he chooses to stay with his hag beard that it his prerogative, I have also mentioned that I don't blame actors for not coming out. People are interested in what their idols do with their private lives, that is the price that is paid for fame. So yes, what they do and say is very relevant, just like a politician. People still have the same scorn, contempt and disdain for homosexuality, just like they did 50yrs ago, it may only appear in a different form and it is just as bad. I wonder what kind of gay man you are and if you say you do work for the movement, I would stop. You need a little more self-awareness. |
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Post by MiketheMechanic on Apr 7, 2017 0:08:10 GMT
I don't want to read too much into Jackman because I'm simply not as invested as you seem to be in determining/revealing his sexuality. At the end of the day if he's gay, orange or baked bread, who cares? He's an entertainer and his private life should have no baring on his career whatsoever. This isn't the Rock Hudson era when the movie studios were afraid that the public would be turned off if they knew their leading man was gay. Yes, beards still do exist but it's not as bad as it was fifty years ago. And just for the record, even if he were gay it should be his sole decision to come out of the closet and he should do so because he wants to, not because he's dictated by 'rules' that he would be doing the right thing and lead the way for others as to how they perceive homosexuals.I don't think you are getting the gist of what is being said, or you are just being deliberately obtuse. This is an open chat thread about a specific topic and I have given an opinion. Jackman's name was mentioned so I have said what I feel and gave a reason. I am not invested in what he does in his personal life and if he chooses to stay with his hag beard that it his prerogative, I have also mentioned that I don't blame actors for not coming out. People are interested in what their idols do with their private lives, that is the price that is paid for fame. So yes, what they do and say is very relevant, just like a politician. People still have the same scorn, contempt and disdain for homosexuality, just like they did 50yrs ago, it may only appear in a different form and it is just as bad. I wonder what kind of gay man you are and if you say you do work for the movement, I would stop. You need a little more self-awareness. You say you are not invested in what he does in his personal life yet you continuously mention not only him but his personal life, still throwing around his 'hag beard'. Yeah, you're not invested in his personal life.. You are either running around with the wrong crowd or are just completely ignorant of today's standards of awareness. Most people do not have the same scorn, contempt...that was around 50 years ago. Times have changed. People's opinion's and values have changed. Social media has made it even more possible for awareness to be raised regarding LGBTQ issues and concerns. That wasn't happening 50 years ago. For you to make such a blanket statement is just sad. And I'm not sure what you mean when you say I do work for the 'movement' (I never said that, I said I was involved in gay rights) but I would imagine, based on what train of thought seen displayed that you think it's something as simple as marching up and down on a sidewalk waving a rainbow flag. |
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Apr 7, 2017 9:58:11 GMT
You say you are not invested in what he does in his personal life yet you continuously mention not only him but his personal life, still throwing around his 'hag beard'. Yeah, you're not invested in his personal life.. You are either running around with the wrong crowd or are just completely ignorant of today's standards of awareness. Most people do not have the same scorn, contempt...that was around 50 years ago. Times have changed. People's opinion's and values have changed. Social media has made it even more possible for awareness to be raised regarding LGBTQ issues and concerns. That wasn't happening 50 years ago. For you to make such a blanket statement is just sad. And I'm not sure what you mean when you say I do work for the 'movement' (I never said that, I said I was involved in gay rights) but I would imagine, based on what train of thought seen displayed that you think it's something as simple as marching up and down on a sidewalk waving a rainbow flag. I am only invested when discussing or giving an opinion, how could I not be? That is the nature of these threads. Why are you so invested to tell others that it's none of their business, when famous people in the spotlight, do have aspects of their lives paraded before others. I could be just as opinionated about the average Joe and his life, depending on what the situation is, so since Jackman is being discussed, I am telling it as I see it.
I have oodles of self-awareness and most people DO HAVE scorn, contempt and disdain for homosexuality. You just don't want to open your eyes and see it, due to denial. Attitudes have not changed that much and I have already explained it is coming from a different sphere. Considering your lack of understanding here, I would say that marching up and down with a rainbow flag, is all that you would be capable of.
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Post by MiketheMechanic on Apr 7, 2017 14:03:41 GMT
You say you are not invested in what he does in his personal life yet you continuously mention not only him but his personal life, still throwing around his 'hag beard'. Yeah, you're not invested in his personal life.. You are either running around with the wrong crowd or are just completely ignorant of today's standards of awareness. Most people do not have the same scorn, contempt...that was around 50 years ago. Times have changed. People's opinion's and values have changed. Social media has made it even more possible for awareness to be raised regarding LGBTQ issues and concerns. That wasn't happening 50 years ago. For you to make such a blanket statement is just sad. And I'm not sure what you mean when you say I do work for the 'movement' (I never said that, I said I was involved in gay rights) but I would imagine, based on what train of thought seen displayed that you think it's something as simple as marching up and down on a sidewalk waving a rainbow flag. I am only invested when discussing or giving an opinion, how could I not be? That is the nature of these threads. Why are you so invested to tell others that it's none of their business, when famous people in the spotlight, do have aspects of their lives paraded before others. I could be just as opinionated about the average Joe and his life, depending on what the situation is, so since Jackman is being discussed, I am telling it as I see it.
I have oodles of self-awareness and most people DO HAVE scorn, contempt and disdain for homosexuality. You just don't want to open your eyes and see it, due to denial. Attitudes have not changed that much and I have already explained it is coming from a different sphere. Considering your lack of understanding here, I would say that marching up and down with a rainbow flag, is all that you would be capable of.
You're not getting it so I won't waste much time. Of course there will always be people who have disdain for homosexuality, I'm not saying there aren't. What I am saying is that times have changed and for the most part people are more OPENLY TOLERANT (PC?) about gays. What they say and think behind closed doors may not have changed much but I know that we as a community have done a lot to raise awareness, acceptance and understanding. It was only seemingly yesterday that gays were treated like fifth-class citizens and couldn't come out for fear of rejection, job loss and bodily harm. Look how far we've come! So for you to say that most people have scorn and contempt for gays just takes us back decades. It's not true. Some may not agree with homosexuality but scorn, disdain? Harsh words. Yes, there are hate groups and individuals who vehemently condemn homosexuals but we're striving for more acceptance. And getting it every day!! This is 2017 and hopefully in a few years from now conversations about who is gay and who isn't and scorn and disdain for gays will go the route of the old IMDB message boards. |
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Apr 8, 2017 11:04:42 GMT
I am only invested when discussing or giving an opinion, how could I not be? That is the nature of these threads. Why are you so invested to tell others that it's none of their business, when famous people in the spotlight, do have aspects of their lives paraded before others. I could be just as opinionated about the average Joe and his life, depending on what the situation is, so since Jackman is being discussed, I am telling it as I see it.
I have oodles of self-awareness and most people DO HAVE scorn, contempt and disdain for homosexuality. You just don't want to open your eyes and see it, due to denial. Attitudes have not changed that much and I have already explained it is coming from a different sphere. Considering your lack of understanding here, I would say that marching up and down with a rainbow flag, is all that you would be capable of.
. Of course there will always be people who have disdain for homosexuality, I'm not saying there aren't. What I am saying is that times have changed and for the most part people are more OPENLY TOLERANT (PC?) about gays. What they say and think behind closed doors may not have changed much but I know that we as a community have done a lot to raise awareness, acceptance and understanding. It was only seemingly yesterday that gays were treated like fifth-class citizens and couldn't come out for fear of rejection, job loss and bodily harm. Look how far we've come! So for you to say that most people have scorn and contempt for gays just takes us back decades. It's not true. Some may not agree with homosexuality but scorn, disdain? Harsh words. Yes, there are hate groups and individuals who vehemently condemn homosexuals but we're striving for more acceptance. And getting it every day!! This is 2017 and hopefully in a few years from now conversations about who is gay and who isn't and scorn and disdain for gays will go the route of the old IMDB message boards. Well don't bother responding then, because I don't need a delusional and lost cause attempting to educate me on the sociology of homosexuality. Don't strive too hard or have unrealistic expectation in regards to how others should view homosexuality, you will just end up disappointed. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2017 16:43:47 GMT
I just wonder why Jackman is perceived as gay? Because he's married to an older woman or does he give off a gay vibe?
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Post by captainbryce on Apr 12, 2017 0:52:32 GMT
Taylor Lautner, supposedly. Lautner looks as gay as they come. Stupid teenage girls wouldn't know a gay guy if he was sitting on them. How exactly does one "look gay"? Please enlighten us! |
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