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Post by MiketheMechanic on Apr 7, 2017 14:03:41 GMT
You say you are not invested in what he does in his personal life yet you continuously mention not only him but his personal life, still throwing around his 'hag beard'. Yeah, you're not invested in his personal life.. You are either running around with the wrong crowd or are just completely ignorant of today's standards of awareness. Most people do not have the same scorn, contempt...that was around 50 years ago. Times have changed. People's opinion's and values have changed. Social media has made it even more possible for awareness to be raised regarding LGBTQ issues and concerns. That wasn't happening 50 years ago. For you to make such a blanket statement is just sad. And I'm not sure what you mean when you say I do work for the 'movement' (I never said that, I said I was involved in gay rights) but I would imagine, based on what train of thought seen displayed that you think it's something as simple as marching up and down on a sidewalk waving a rainbow flag. I am only invested when discussing or giving an opinion, how could I not be? That is the nature of these threads. Why are you so invested to tell others that it's none of their business, when famous people in the spotlight, do have aspects of their lives paraded before others. I could be just as opinionated about the average Joe and his life, depending on what the situation is, so since Jackman is being discussed, I am telling it as I see it.
I have oodles of self-awareness and most people DO HAVE scorn, contempt and disdain for homosexuality. You just don't want to open your eyes and see it, due to denial. Attitudes have not changed that much and I have already explained it is coming from a different sphere. Considering your lack of understanding here, I would say that marching up and down with a rainbow flag, is all that you would be capable of.
You're not getting it so I won't waste much time. Of course there will always be people who have disdain for homosexuality, I'm not saying there aren't. What I am saying is that times have changed and for the most part people are more OPENLY TOLERANT (PC?) about gays. What they say and think behind closed doors may not have changed much but I know that we as a community have done a lot to raise awareness, acceptance and understanding. It was only seemingly yesterday that gays were treated like fifth-class citizens and couldn't come out for fear of rejection, job loss and bodily harm. Look how far we've come! So for you to say that most people have scorn and contempt for gays just takes us back decades. It's not true. Some may not agree with homosexuality but scorn, disdain? Harsh words. Yes, there are hate groups and individuals who vehemently condemn homosexuals but we're striving for more acceptance. And getting it every day!! This is 2017 and hopefully in a few years from now conversations about who is gay and who isn't and scorn and disdain for gays will go the route of the old IMDB message boards.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2017 16:43:47 GMT
I just wonder why Jackman is perceived as gay? Because he's married to an older woman or does he give off a gay vibe?
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Post by captainbryce on Apr 12, 2017 0:52:32 GMT
Taylor Lautner, supposedly. Lautner looks as gay as they come. Stupid teenage girls wouldn't know a gay guy if he was sitting on them. How exactly does one "look gay"? Please enlighten us!
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Post by poelzig on Apr 12, 2017 1:27:20 GMT
I just wonder why Jackman is perceived as gay? Because he's married to an older woman or does he give off a gay vibe? It's either wishful thinking on that one guy's part or he's a gay guy that believes in and spreads bigoted stereotypes about gay people. Either way it's kind of sad.
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Post by darkpast on Apr 13, 2017 4:57:23 GMT
Many rumors about Zac Efron, may be BI, but lean Gay.
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Post by MiketheMechanic on Apr 16, 2017 2:18:26 GMT
Many rumors about Zac Efron, may be BI, but lean Gay. Efron will play the game and act as straight as he can. Even bi is seen as more acceptable than gay and that card is oft played. He is an actor and will lose credibility with his fans while he is still relatively popular and must be seen as straight. Being out and gay, would ruin the image. Zac Efron is straight.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2017 4:46:53 GMT
I just wonder why Jackman is perceived as gay? Because he's married to an older woman or does he give off a gay vibe? I get the vibe Madame. I also think that Jackman is pretty average looking too, and he doesn't do a thing for me. I wouldn't throw him out of bed
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2017 9:30:00 GMT
I wouldn't throw him out of bed He is not worthy of you Madame Mulva. So nice
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Post by DanaShelbyChancey on Apr 16, 2017 14:27:42 GMT
You know he's been married to a woman for over twenty years, right? They have two kids. I know that's no guarantee, but still... I do know that, however: 1. His wife Deborra-Lee Furness is a fair bit older than him. 2. Their kids are adopted. Deborra-Lee Furness is a lovely person, I don't know if Hugh is gay or straight and I don't care, but his wife is in her early 60's and is she supposed to look like a teenager?
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Post by MiketheMechanic on Apr 16, 2017 20:05:02 GMT
You're not even gay, are you! Zac Efron, like Hugh Jackman and dozens of other straight actors who are thought to be gay primarily because of their pretty boy looks, calls gay rumors 'flattering'.
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Post by MiketheMechanic on Apr 16, 2017 22:39:25 GMT
Zac Efron, like Hugh Jackman and dozens of other straight actors who are thought to be gay primarily because of their pretty boy looks, calls gay rumors 'flattering'. Yes, they are bound to aren't they? It is about being perceived as normal so they can have a career and they are perhaps just chicken s<>t to boot. I don't blame them though, if they are sold up on an image of pandering to stupid, shortsighted teenage girls, especially in Efron's case, so they can be popular. I suppose you will tell me that the very gay looking Taylor Lautner is as straight as they come now. What a deception aye! It is not that big of deal for support character actors. I never thought Taylor Lautner looked gay. Don't really care if he is or not. But how does one look gay? Does being a 'pretty boy' ensure automatic entrance into your gay 'club'? Is that how you perceive all of Hollywood's young male talent, if they're pretty then they have to be gay? Too pretty to be straight?
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Post by MiketheMechanic on Apr 16, 2017 23:53:52 GMT
I never thought Taylor Lautner looked gay. Don't really care if he is or not. But how does one look gay? Does being a 'pretty boy' ensure automatic entrance into your gay 'club'? Is that how you perceive all of Hollywood's young male talent, if they're pretty then they have to be gay? Too pretty to be straight?As I thought, you are pretty stupid. Go back to fixing your cars Mike, you phony gay. That's the best you got? How
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Post by captainbryce on Apr 17, 2017 1:10:01 GMT
How exactly does one "look gay"? Please enlighten us! Now come on! There are plenty of males out there that do look gay, and many are the gay ones included. There are also many that don't and homosexuality is something that all males have inherent within them. Not all males in touch with their homosexual tendencies want to be labelled as gay. I don't know what your sexuality is, but wake up man! A) You just admitted that you are clearly a closet gay B) You still haven't actually described what a gay look actually is. It's almost as though it's indescribable
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Post by MiketheMechanic on Apr 17, 2017 19:02:18 GMT
Now come on! There are plenty of males out there that do look gay, and many are the gay ones included. There are also many that don't and homosexuality is something that all males have inherent within them. Not all males in touch with their homosexual tendencies want to be labelled as gay. I don't know what your sexuality is, but wake up man! A) You just admitted that you are clearly a closet gay B) You still haven't actually described what a gay look actually is. It's almost as though it's indescribable He can't describe it because it doesn't exist but he did mention that he thinks that Taylor Lautner is gay because he looks gay. Whatever that means!
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Post by captainbryce on Apr 17, 2017 22:24:41 GMT
A) You just admitted that you are clearly a closet gay B) You still haven't actually described what a gay look actually is. It's almost as though it's indescribable I know I am gay, I don't need some bigot to tell me about my sexuality. Bisexuality is more common than you think and I also don't think that a male who has designs on both genders should have to identify as gay. Now get your head out to the clouds and open your eyes and look at the feminine qualities many gay men possess. Does it make you feel insecure and shock you to think that those that you idolize may be more into sausage and not clams? So you perpetuate the stereotype that all gay men have "feminine qualities"....and I am the "bigot" Kill yourself!
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Post by captainbryce on Apr 17, 2017 23:07:44 GMT
So you perpetuate the stereotype that all gay men have "feminine qualities"....and I am the "bigot" Kill yourself! Many gay men DO have effeminate qualities. Many that may identify as gay may not either, but the queer eye can also be pretty obvious too. Since I identify as gay and am looking from the inside out, I doubt that makes me a bigot regarding homosexuality, when I am just expressing what is apparent. I don't know you, but if you are gay, does it offend or upset you to hear that you may have effeminate qualities you don't care to acknowledge. Or is it you are insecure about the fact that you identify as straight and I claimed you have homosexual tendencies that you haven't acknowledged or tapped into? First of all, you are avoiding the argument at this point. You initially made a claim that there was such a thing as a "gay look". I challenged you to qualify that statement by explaining what the gay look was. Now you are saying that "many" (not quantified) gay men have "effeminate qualities" (nondescript) which can be obvious. Fine...what are these visible qualities exactly, and what percentage of gay men have this? Can you answer these questions or not? Because that's how you back up your claim. Secondly, just because you are gay doesn't mean you are incapable of bigotry towards homosexuals. Ever heard of the self-hating Jew, or the Uncle Tom, or the female Muslim? There are no doubt self-hating gays who denigrate other gays as well. Your words and actions determine whether one is a bigot or not, not their racial, religious, gender, or sexual identity. And as a social minority, you probably should know that! Thirdly, nothing you say offends me or upsets me. I'm not one to become emotionally invested in what silly statements other people I don't know say, or weird stances they may take (especially strangers on the internet). Whether you think I am gay or straight wouldn't bother me, nor would me having any homosexual (or heterosexual) tendencies. I happen to be very liberal socially, and I don't find any of those things to be offensive, nor would I have any insecurities about them if they applied to me. I assume you are used to arguing with people like that in the past, but I'm not that guy! I'm just challenging you to back up your statement with a reasoned, logical argument (if you can).
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Post by captainbryce on Apr 18, 2017 22:52:01 GMT
First of all, you are avoiding the argument at this point. You initially made a claim that there was such a thing as a "gay look". I challenged you to qualify that statement by explaining what the gay look was. Now you are saying that "many" (not quantified) gay men have "effeminate qualities" (nondescript) which can be obvious. Fine...what are these visible qualities exactly, and what percentage of gay men have this? Can you answer these questions or not? Because that's how you back up your claim. Secondly, just because you are gay doesn't mean you are incapable of bigotry towards homosexuals. Ever heard of the self-hating Jew, or the Uncle Tom, or the female Muslim? There are no doubt self-hating gays who denigrate other gays as well. Your words and actions determine whether one is a bigot or not, not their racial, religious, gender, or sexual identity. And as a social minority, you probably should know that! Thirdly, nothing you say offends me or upsets me. I'm not one to become emotionally invested in what silly statements other people I don't know say, or weird stances they may take (especially strangers on the internet). Whether you think I am gay or straight wouldn't bother me, nor would me having any homosexual (or heterosexual) tendencies. I happen to be very liberal socially, and I don't find any of those things to be offensive, nor would I have any insecurities about them if they applied to me. I assume you are used to arguing with people like that in the past, but I'm not that guy! I'm just challenging you to back up your statement with a reasoned, logical argument (if you can). Bryce, you are the one denying that men don't look gay. Just look at any self-professed gay guy and his demeanour, the way he talks or expresses himself, or even the things he relates and connects with. Many men might be better at "playacting" a certain gender type to avoid being seen as having homosexual tendencies when in fact they are sexually attracted to other males. Take off the blinkers man! You are also playing devil's advocate and not wanting to acknowledge what I have expressed for some reason about inherent homosexual tendencies in ALL males. Many men DO LOOK GAY, it is as simple as your own conceit. Ok, I do have bigoted thoughts about many things, even other homosexuals and I would be certain you would too, regardless of what you may claim about how socially liberal you are. That is just your own conceit again though. Seeing what is apparent and obvious and calling it like it is, doesn't necessarily make me bigoted regarding the stereotype surrounding homosexuality. Stereotypes do exist. And yes, you are emotionally invested, otherwise you wouldn't be on here attempting to make your own points. Perhaps you may be the silly and weird one to others. You can pretend not to care all you like, but I also don't believe in your sincerity when you claim it wouldn't bother you if someone thinks you are straight or gay. It would! What you identify as is important regarding how you perceive others and their sexualities and to mention ignorance and denial surrounding homosexuality. Excuse me, but I haven't actually denied ANYTHING so far. All I did was challenge you to elaborate on what you mean by "gay look", back up your claim that there is such a thing. So far in four posts you have yet to do this. The burden of proof is on the individual making the affirmative claim. A denial isn't even necessary on my part. If there is a "gay look", you haven't been able to describe it, much less validate the notion that most gays have it. I have more than one gay friend, and they look, sound, and act very differently from each other in terms of demeanor. You are suggesting that any of them who do not fit a certain stereotype are "acting", but I'd submit to you that it could just as easily be that any of them who fits the stereotype is also acting. Being effeminate or advertising oneself as "gay" seems just as likely (possibly more likely) to be an act than a gay guy who acts like anyone else. After all, sexual preference doesn't have anything to do with the way that someone acts, only who they are attracted to, right? Why should one guy "look different" just because he's into penises instead of vaginas? I just don't see what one thing has to do with the other. Regarding inherent homosexual tendencies in all males, this is also an idea you have failed to validate. What are you basing this on exactly, other than your own assumptions? Because I know many straight men who have no homosexual tendencies that I know of, and I know gay men who have no heterosexual tendencies. So what is your basis for the assumption that both exist in ALL men? Do you have any facts that support that assumption? Or is it just something you want to believe because it helps you rationalize how YOU feel about yourself? And me attempting to make my point has nothing to do with being emotionally invested...at least not for me. It has to do with me being bored and this being an interesting topic. The only "emotion" that this particular conversation stirs is amusement, mostly because YOU are emotionally invested, lol. It just happened to be a thread that caught my eye because it seems so self-defeating. The thread is about "closeted gay actors", and your position seems to be that all of them should be easily identifiable based on a "gay look". Yet, history seems to paint quite the opposite picture. I'm sure you've heard of Rock Hudson (who most people assumed was straight before he was outed). Most of the openly gay actors I know of come off as straight (IMO). Ian McKellen, Neil Patrick Harris, Zachary Quinto...Wentworth Miller, and those are just the ones off the top of my head. In fact, I personally had no idea Ian McKellen was even gay until years after he'd already starred in Lord of the Rings and X-Men. Now, maybe I'm just late to the party on that one, but what about the others? Neil Patrick Harris is known for playing a convincing womanizer in a popular TV show. None of these actors seem particularly effeminate to me, and they are all OUT homosexuals. So I don't know what "gay tendencies" you think you are looking for in the closeted actors. Nevertheless, it's fun to see how you're going to rationalize this ridiculousness.
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Post by MiketheMechanic on Apr 18, 2017 23:15:01 GMT
Bryce, you are the one denying that men don't look gay. Just look at any self-professed gay guy and his demeanour, the way he talks or expresses himself, or even the things he relates and connects with. Many men might be better at "playacting" a certain gender type to avoid being seen as having homosexual tendencies when in fact they are sexually attracted to other males. Take off the blinkers man! You are also playing devil's advocate and not wanting to acknowledge what I have expressed for some reason about inherent homosexual tendencies in ALL males. Many men DO LOOK GAY, it is as simple as your own conceit. Ok, I do have bigoted thoughts about many things, even other homosexuals and I would be certain you would too, regardless of what you may claim about how socially liberal you are. That is just your own conceit again though. Seeing what is apparent and obvious and calling it like it is, doesn't necessarily make me bigoted regarding the stereotype surrounding homosexuality. Stereotypes do exist. And yes, you are emotionally invested, otherwise you wouldn't be on here attempting to make your own points. Perhaps you may be the silly and weird one to others. You can pretend not to care all you like, but I also don't believe in your sincerity when you claim it wouldn't bother you if someone thinks you are straight or gay. It would! What you identify as is important regarding how you perceive others and their sexualities and to mention ignorance and denial surrounding homosexuality. Excuse me, but I haven't actually denied ANYTHING so far. All I did was challenge you to elaborate on what you mean by "gay look", back up your claim that there is such a thing. So far in four posts you have yet to do this. The burden of proof is on the individual making the affirmative claim. A denial isn't even necessary on my part. If there is a "gay look", you haven't been able to describe it, much less validate the notion that most gays have it. I have more than one gay friend, and they look, sound, and act very differently from each other in terms of demeanor. You are suggesting that any of them who do not fit a certain stereotype are "acting", but I'd submit to you that it could just as easily be that any of them who fits the stereotype is also acting. Being effeminate or advertising oneself as "gay" seems just as likely (possibly more likely) to be an act than a gay guy who acts like anyone else. After all, sexual preference doesn't have anything to do with the way that someone acts, only who they are attracted to, right? Why should one guy "look different" just because he's into penises instead of vaginas? I just don't see what one thing has to do with the other. Regarding inherent homosexual tendencies in all males, this is also an idea you have failed to validate. What are you basing this on exactly, other than your own assumptions? Because I know many straight men who have no homosexual tendencies that I know of, and I know gay men who have no heterosexual tendencies. So what is your basis for the assumption that both exist in ALL men? Do you have any facts that support that assumption? Or is it just something you want to believe because it helps you rationalize how YOU feel about yourself? And me attempting to make my point has nothing to do with being emotionally invested...at least not for me. It has to do with me being bored and this being an interesting topic. The only "emotion" that this particular conversation stirs is amusement, mostly because YOU are emotionally invested, lol. It just happened to be a thread that caught my eye because it seems so self-defeating. The thread is about "closeted gay actors", and your position seems to be that all of them should be easily identifiable based on a "gay look". Yet, history seems to paint quite the opposite picture. I'm sure you've heard of Rock Hudson (who most people assumed was straight before he was outed). Most of the openly gay actors I know of come off as straight (IMO). Ian McKellen, Neil Patrick Harris, Zachary Quinto...Wentworth Miller, and those are just the ones off the top of my head. In fact, I personally had no idea Ian McKellen was even gay until years after he'd already starred in Lord of the Rings and X-Men. Now, maybe I'm just late to the party on that one, but what about the others? Neil Patrick Harris is known for playing a convincing womanizer in a popular TV show. None of these actors seem particularly effeminate to me, and they are all OUT homosexuals. So I don't know what "gay tendencies" you think you are looking for in the closeted actors. Nevertheless, it's fun to see how you're going to rationalize this ridiculousness. Read the following statement again: "Just look at any self-professed gay guy and his demeanour, the way he talks or expresses himself, or even the things he relates and connects with".
Either the poster comes from a very small town with very few gays, and the ones that are there are rather 'obvious' or the poster has never seen one of several outstanding movies and/or documentaries that realistically profile all of the following gay men in typically 'macho' careers - who are not flamboyant (not 'acting') in real life: Police officers Firefighters Athletes Construction workers Mechanics They're just regular guys! You'd be surprised how many of us there are! Granted, it may well be that some men may 'out' themselves by their appearance or demeanor but so what? That doesn't and shouldn't mean that all gay guys act and are the same. That's like saying all straight men are the same!
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Post by scienceisgod on Apr 19, 2017 4:09:01 GMT
McGyver's gay.
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Post by captainbryce on Apr 19, 2017 11:21:49 GMT
Negative genius, pay attention. It was actually my third response where I said kill yourself (the first two had me asking you what the gay look was -- you still haven't answered). The reason I said kill yourself has nothing to do with me "disagreeing" with you, or being angry about anything you have to say regarding how to identify a gay. It has to do with the fact that you tried to make an argument based on a stereotype while in the same argument referring to me as a "bigot". The only person who has displayed any bigotry so far is you. Furthermore, your argument is from the standpoint of being gay -- suggesting that you speak for all gay people and know more about gays than anyone else here, yet you refer to me as "arrogant", and "smug". So your entire position is both hypocritical and ironic (which is why you should kill yourself). And in case you are too slow to understand (which seems to be the case), that happens to be a facetious phrase, not literal -- hence the smiley face. In any case, I'm done with this. It seems that either you are an unstable person, or incredibly stubborn and prone to incoherent, inconsistent kettle logic when trying to justify an obvious indefensible, unrealistic position. I asked you a simple question and in as many replies you have failed to answer it. All things being equal, the simplest explanation is the best one. The reason you haven't been able to describe the "gay look" by now is simply because there isn't one! That you have made a failed argument has compelled you to project all of your insecurities and self-perceived failures (bigotry, arrogance, conceit, etc) from this very discussion onto me. Consequently, I'm going to back off and let you continue digging your own hole. It seems here that the only person you have been able to successfully convince on this thread is yourself. If you were an objective observer, that would tell you something! Peace out...
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