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Post by MiketheMechanic on Apr 21, 2017 14:01:42 GMT
I doubt that 50% of all musical theater actors are gay. It's more like 75%.  In my experience I'd say about half were gay but of course that isn't scientific. Just like our being 10% of the population, I think it's probably more than double that if you factor in LGBTQI...... And the other 25% are just bi curious and are scared of their homosexual tendencies, so being straight is the other option for them. How does factoring in TQI make it more? We know T isn't a sexuality, Q is a derogatory term, and as for I, well is that for Interconfused? I also don't think it fair that bisexual men have to identify as gay, as they are capable of sexually embracing both genders. If they are having sex with men, then they could be perceived as being gay, but they are just expressing their homosexual attraction only. I think it's fair that bisexual men identify as gay. Why not? Not only are they having sex with other men but they're also having relationships with them. It's ultimately up to each person to decide which label they identify with, if they so choose to do so. For years the popular consensus was that 10% of the population was gay but of course it's much higher, and that doesn't even include the ever-so-confusing population of straight men who have sex with gay men, women (and men) who are gay but marry and live the traditional 'straight life' without ever coming out of the closet, etc.... It may never be scientifically proven what our populations are.. |
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Apr 21, 2017 14:30:42 GMT
I think it's fair that bisexual men identify as gay. Why not? Not only are they having sex with other men but they're also having relationships with them. It's ultimately up to each person to decide which label they identify with, if they so choose to do so. For years the popular consensus was that 10% of the population was gay but of course it's much higher, and that doesn't even include the ever-so-confusing population of straight men who have sex with gay men, women (and men) who are gay but marry and live the traditional 'straight life' without ever coming out of the closet, etc.... It may never be scientifically proven what our populations are.. It's a matter of semantics really, but for me, I see the gay label as 100% genuine sexual attraction for the same gender. It is also referred to as gay sex, but a bisexual man may be just as sexually aroused with a female and may not feel comfortable about accepting the "gay" label. Any self-professed "straight" man who has sex with other men, is also "bisexual" by my book. I also see it as a cop-out to hide behind the "straight" or "heterosexual" label, when that is not what they fully are. They are having straight or hetero sex when with a female, and gay or homo sex when with a male. I suppose by that scenario, they are not having bisexual sex, unless they are doing both together. They still shouldn't have to identify as "gay" though. There are way too many people and perhaps also complexed layers regarding sexual attraction and dynamic. What one person is aroused and attracted to, another may not even want to go there. Yes, I don't think it is something that can be or really needs to be proven. Sex and love and the need for companionship are just natural and instinctual human traits and any condemnations society may put on homosexuality, is just born out of plain ignorance, fear and the need for control. As long as sexuality is not misused, then it needn't be an issue. I guess we still have a long way to go. |
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Post by MiketheMechanic on Apr 27, 2017 17:40:26 GMT
I think it's fair that bisexual men identify as gay. Why not? Not only are they having sex with other men but they're also having relationships with them. It's ultimately up to each person to decide which label they identify with, if they so choose to do so. For years the popular consensus was that 10% of the population was gay but of course it's much higher, and that doesn't even include the ever-so-confusing population of straight men who have sex with gay men, women (and men) who are gay but marry and live the traditional 'straight life' without ever coming out of the closet, etc.... It may never be scientifically proven what our populations are.. It's a matter of semantics really, but for me, I see the gay label as 100% genuine sexual attraction for the same gender. It is also referred to as gay sex, but a bisexual man may be just as sexually aroused with a female and may not feel comfortable about accepting the "gay" label. Any self-professed "straight" man who has sex with other men, is also "bisexual" by my book. I also see it as a cop-out to hide behind the "straight" or "heterosexual" label, when that is not what they fully are. They are having straight or hetero sex when with a female, and gay or homo sex when with a male. I suppose by that scenario, they are not having bisexual sex, unless they are doing both together. They still shouldn't have to identify as "gay" though. There are way too many people and perhaps also complexed layers regarding sexual attraction and dynamic. What one person is aroused and attracted to, another may not even want to go there. Yes, I don't think it is something that can be or really needs to be proven. Sex and love and the need for companionship are just natural and instinctual human traits and any condemnations society may put on homosexuality, is just born out of plain ignorance, fear and the need for control. As long as sexuality is not misused, then it needn't be an issue. I guess we still have a long way to go. We do. It's still terribly confusing for many. Speaking of, Aaron Hernandez' bisexuality came out of nowhere, just goes to show that we may never know exact numbers in terms of who's who and who's what. |
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Post by bd74 on Apr 27, 2017 21:50:27 GMT
We do. It's still terribly confusing for many. Speaking of, Aaron Hernandez' bisexuality came out of nowhere, just goes to show that we may never know exact numbers in terms of who's who and who's what. I think Aaron's case was well beyond "bisexuality". His longtime lover had been his friend since high school, and Aaron had transferred most of his money to an account in his lover's name. He also had a "prison boyfriend". His married life may have been just for show. |
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Post by MiketheMechanic on Apr 28, 2017 16:14:25 GMT
We do. It's still terribly confusing for many. Speaking of, Aaron Hernandez' bisexuality came out of nowhere, just goes to show that we may never know exact numbers in terms of who's who and who's what. I think Aaron's case was well beyond "bisexuality". His longtime lover had been his friend since high school, and Aaron had transferred most of his money to an account in his lover's name. He also had a "prison boyfriend". His married life may have been just for show. You're right, I think in his case he was gay and the wife/girlfriend was a beard. Sad it had to end the way it did, I hope his story can help others. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2017 14:05:07 GMT
Lautner looks as gay as they come. Stupid teenage girls wouldn't know a gay guy if he was sitting on them. How exactly does one "look gay"? Please enlighten us! Murphy's law. Of course a man that gorgeous is gay. It didn't surprise me when Ricky Martin came out either. His husband is soooo lucky *drool* |
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Post by MiketheMechanic on Apr 30, 2017 2:32:44 GMT
How exactly does one "look gay"? Please enlighten us! Murphy's law. Of course a man that gorgeous is gay. It didn't surprise me when Ricky Martin came out either. His husband is soooo lucky *drool* lol, it doesn't work that way that a man has to be gay just because he's gorgeous. You'd be surprised how many straight men are also gorgeous... |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2017 4:14:33 GMT
Murphy's law. Of course a man that gorgeous is gay. It didn't surprise me when Ricky Martin came out either. His husband is soooo lucky *drool* lol, it doesn't work that way that a man has to be gay just because he's gorgeous. You'd be surprised how many straight men are also gorgeous... Well sure, I married one. Lucky for me Murphy's law wasn't in play when I met him  |
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Post by jeffersoncody on Apr 30, 2017 8:25:41 GMT
You know he's been married to a woman for over twenty years, right? They have two kids. I know that's no guarantee, but still... That is bearding. She is also about 13yrs his senior and looks like a hag. Jackman is not one of my favorites as an actor, but he is very versatile and skilled. He got married to his beard just at the right time, and that gave him the image of "heteronormalcy". His career soon took off big. Best career move he made. If he was out, would he be as famous? I couldn't give a flying fuck whether someone is "gay" or "straight" Toasted Cheese, but I assure you the long-time-marriage between actress and producer Deborra-Lee Furness (who I met on a few occasions many years ago when a company I was working for were distributing the film SHAME - in which she starred. She struck me as a very cool, intelligent, passionate and together person. Also, she was and is an attractive, charismatic heterosexual woman) and hard working, down-to-earth movie star Hugh Jackman is not a sham. Both Jackman and Furness are heterosexual and Furness is certainly not his "beard". To say she looks like a "hag" is ignorant, sexist and stupid. Sure, she is older than him, but they love each other, so what does it matter? My long-time partner is also a good few years older than me, and I still love her as much as I did when we first fall in love with each other some 35-years ago. She was a very beautiful woman when I first me and she is still an attractive lady, but of course the years take a toll - and severe health problems over the last few years have taken a toll too). But you know what. I still see her as that beautiful, free-spirited, kind-hearted and loving women I met all those years ago. In my humble opinion both my partner and Debra-Lee Furness are attractive women, but of course beauty is in the eye of the beholder so you are welcome to your opinion. I imagine you are quite young, but hopefully you will come to learn that physical beauty is not the be be all and end of all of a relationship. I would much rather be in a relationship with an older woman of average looks who loves me, respects me, understands me and cares for me with all her heart than a drop dead beautiful young woman who is shallow, selfish, greedy and uncaring and is only in the realtionship for what she can get out of it. During those 35-years there have been times when my partner and I have had little break ups, and during those times I have had brief flings with women years and years younger than me (like 20 years or so younger) and while I have appreciated and enjoyed the sex it didn't come close to matching the lovemaking I share with the woman I have known and loved most of my adult life. Hugh Jackman and Debra-Lee Furness strike me as a happy, loving couple and I have no doubt that having a wife who takes care of their home and family (and continues to work as an actress and producer) while he is away working his butt off and bringing in the big bucks is one of the things that makes Hugh Jackman as successful and well balanced as he clearly is. True love is a very special thing and we all dream of it, but recognizing it, grabbing it and hanging on when it comes along is not always easy. I'm guessing you have a lot to learn about love, but I hope you get to meet your soul mate one day and spend the life that follows loving and being loved. I am almost 100% certain Hugh Jackman and Debra-Lee Furness are the real thing. www.google.co.za/search?q=hugh+jackman+and+his+wife&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&sqi=2&ved=0ahUKEwjyrN_u38vTAhWELsAKHbbCBcQQ7AkIeg&biw=1024&bih=653#imgrc=txLEpxMIZTwEgM:www.google.co.za/search?q=hugh+jackman+and+his+wife&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&sqi=2&ved=0ahUKEwjyrN_u38vTAhWELsAKHbbCBcQQ7AkIeg&biw=1024&bih=653#imgrc=U58qTfAKcUb5nM: |
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Post by jeffersoncody on Apr 30, 2017 8:56:07 GMT
I never thought Taylor Lautner looked gay. Don't really care if he is or not. But how does one look gay? Does being a 'pretty boy' ensure automatic entrance into your gay 'club'? Is that how you perceive all of Hollywood's young male talent, if they're pretty then they have to be gay? Too pretty to be straight?As I thought, you are pretty stupid. Go back to fixing your cars Mike, you phony gay. Having been an online aquantance/friend of the poster who now calls himself Mike The Mechanic for many years I can assure you there is nothing "phony" about him whatsover Toasted Cheese. In fact, like me, he was one of the few posters on the old IMDB forums who used his real life photograph as his avatar. The poster known as Mike the Mechanic is one of the most honest and transparent posters I have ever come across on an online forum. He's one of the good guys Toasted Cheese. Hell, if I was ever forced to got to war again I would be happy to have in my trench. Your absolute failure to read Mike The Mechanic or to understand what he has said in his posts here shows that your bizarre perception of Hugh Jackman's sexuality are as likely to be way, way off the mark too. I'll tell you one more thing about Mike The Mechanic too Toasted Cheese. This man's steadfast principles helped me to overcome my own ridiculous prejudices against transgender folk. He actually helped make me a better person, and for that I will always respect him and be grateful. You have not covered yourself with glory on this thread Toasted Cheese. |
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Post by jeffersoncody on Apr 30, 2017 9:02:12 GMT
First of all, you are avoiding the argument at this point. You initially made a claim that there was such a thing as a "gay look". I challenged you to qualify that statement by explaining what the gay look was. Now you are saying that "many" (not quantified) gay men have "effeminate qualities" (nondescript) which can be obvious. Fine...what are these visible qualities exactly, and what percentage of gay men have this? Can you answer these questions or not? Because that's how you back up your claim. Secondly, just because you are gay doesn't mean you are incapable of bigotry towards homosexuals. Ever heard of the self-hating Jew, or the Uncle Tom, or the female Muslim? There are no doubt self-hating gays who denigrate other gays as well. Your words and actions determine whether one is a bigot or not, not their racial, religious, gender, or sexual identity. And as a social minority, you probably should know that! Thirdly, nothing you say offends me or upsets me. I'm not one to become emotionally invested in what silly statements other people I don't know say, or weird stances they may take (especially strangers on the internet). Whether you think I am gay or straight wouldn't bother me, nor would me having any homosexual (or heterosexual) tendencies. I happen to be very liberal socially, and I don't find any of those things to be offensive, nor would I have any insecurities about them if they applied to me. I assume you are used to arguing with people like that in the past, but I'm not that guy! I'm just challenging you to back up your statement with a reasoned, logical argument (if you can). Bryce, you are the one denying that men don't look gay. Just look at any self-professed gay guy and his demeanour, the way he talks or expresses himself, or even the things he relates and connects with. Many men might be better at "playacting" a certain gender type to avoid being seen as having homosexual tendencies when in fact they are sexually attracted to other males. Take off the blinkers man! You are also playing devil's advocate and not wanting to acknowledge what I have expressed for some reason about inherent homosexual tendencies in ALL males. Many men DO LOOK GAY, it is as simple as your own conceit. Ok, I do have bigoted thoughts about many things, even other homosexuals and I would be certain you would too, regardless of what you may claim about how socially liberal you are. That is just your own conceit again though. Seeing what is apparent and obvious and calling it like it is, doesn't necessarily make me bigoted regarding the stereotype surrounding homosexuality. Stereotypes do exist. And yes, you are emotionally invested, otherwise you wouldn't be on here attempting to make your own points. Perhaps you may be the silly and weird one to others. You can pretend not to care all you like, but I also don't believe in your sincerity when you claim it wouldn't bother you if someone thinks you are straight or gay. It would! What you identify as is important regarding how you perceive others and their sexualities and to mention ignorance and denial surrounding homosexuality. Are you saying you are "gay" Toasted Cheese? If you are, I don't understand why you have said the things you have said on this thread. Actually, even if you are a heterosexual I don't understand why you have said the things you have said on this thread. |
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Apr 30, 2017 9:46:45 GMT
Are you saying you are "gay" Toasted Cheese? If you are, I don't understand why you have said the things you have said on this thread. Actually, even if you are a heterosexual I don't understand why you have said the things you have said on this thread.No, I didn't think you would understand. You don't sound like a very perceptive heterosexual to me, most aren't! Although I appreciate you taking the time to justify your stance and your relationships with women— barf!—at the risk of sounding blunt and rude, I couldn't care less jeffersoncody and I wouldn't be relying on your insight to tell me about the way things are, especially about homosexuality. You are like the rest and see "straight" before "gay" and if you feel connected and receptive to Mike, that is your prerogative and while he is well intentioned, he appears a misguided to me. They say birds of a feather flock together. Perhaps you can get married soon!  |
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Apr 30, 2017 9:49:42 GMT
I couldn't give a flying fuck whether someone is "gay" or "straight" Toasted Cheese, but I assure you the long-time-marriage between actress and producer Deborra-Lee Furness (who I met on a few occasions many years ago when a company I was working for were distributing the film SHAME - in which she starred. She struck me as a very cool, intelligent, passionate and together person. Also, she was and is an attractive, charismatic heterosexual woman) and hard working, down-to-earth movie star Hugh Jackman is not a sham. Both Jackman and Furness are heterosexual and Furness is certainly not his "beard". To say she looks like a "hag" is ignorant, sexist and stupid. Sure, she is older than him, but they love each other, so what does it matter? My long-time partner is also a good few years older than me, and I still love her as much as I did when we first fall in love with each other some 35-years ago. She was a very beautiful woman when I first me and she is still an attractive lady, but of course the years take a toll - and severe health problems over the last few years have taken a toll too). But you know what. I still see her as that beautiful, free-spirited, kind-hearted and loving women I met all those years ago. In my humble opinion both my partner and Debra-Lee Furness are attractive women, but of course beauty is in the eye of the beholder so you are welcome to your opinion. I imagine you are quite young, but hopefully you will come to learn that physical beauty is not the be be all and end of all of a relationship. I would much rather be in a relationship with an older woman of average looks who loves me, respects me, understands me and cares for me with all her heart than a drop dead beautiful young woman who is shallow, selfish, greedy and uncaring and is only in the realtionship for what she can get out of it. During those 35-years there have been times when my partner and I have had little break ups, and during those times I have had brief flings with women years and years younger than me (like 20 years or so younger) and while I have appreciated and enjoyed the sex it didn't come close to matching the lovemaking I share with the woman I have known and loved most of my adult life. Hugh Jackman and Debra-Lee Furness strike me as a happy, loving couple and I have no doubt that having a wife who takes care of their home and family (and continues to work as an actress and producer) while he is away working his butt off and bringing in the big bucks is one of the things that makes Hugh Jackman as successful and well balanced as he clearly is. True love is a very special thing and we all dream of it, but recognizing it, grabbing it and hanging on when it comes along is not always easy. I'm guessing you have a lot to learn about love, but I hope you get to meet your soul mate one day and spend the life that follows loving and being loved. I am almost 100% certain Hugh Jackman and Debra-Lee Furness are the real thing. What a boring hack you are!  |
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Apr 30, 2017 9:53:01 GMT
As I thought, you are pretty stupid. Go back to fixing your cars Mike, you phony gay. ....Your absolute failure to read Mike The Mechanic or to understand what he has said in his posts here shows that your bizarre perception of Hugh Jackman's sexuality are as likely to be way, way off the mark too... I'll tell you one more thing about Mike The Mechanic too Toasted Cheese. This man's steadfast principles helped me to overcome my own ridiculous prejudices against transgender folk...You have not covered yourself with glory on this thread Toasted Cheese. Yes, Mike and you are way off the mark and what the frig has your bigotry of Transgender folk got to do with homosexuality? I am not here to impress you or any other deluded individuals with any glory or divinity, only to weed out the deluded fakes and the homophobes. I haven't had to try too hard here. |
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Apr 30, 2017 9:56:54 GMT
I think Aaron's case was well beyond "bisexuality". His longtime lover had been his friend since high school, and Aaron had transferred most of his money to an account in his lover's name. He also had a "prison boyfriend". His married life may have been just for show. You're right, I think in his case he was gay and the wife/girlfriend was a beard. Sad it had to end the way it did, I hope his story can help others. It won't though. I didn't even know who he was and had to look him up. His main issue appears to be his arrogance and his narcissism and not a good role model for gay folk. He was not even worth mentioning, so I don't know why you brought him up. |
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Post by jeffersoncody on Apr 30, 2017 16:01:38 GMT
Are you saying you are "gay" Toasted Cheese? If you are, I don't understand why you have said the things you have said on this thread. Actually, even if you are a heterosexual I don't understand why you have said the things you have said on this thread.No, I didn't think you would understand. You don't sound like a very perceptive heterosexual to me, most aren't! Although I appreciate you taking the time to justify your stance and your relationships with women— barf!—at the risk of sounding blunt and rude, I couldn't care less jeffersoncody and I wouldn't be relying on your insight to tell me about the way things are, especially about homosexuality. You are like the rest and see "straight" before "gay" and if you feel connected and receptive to Mike, that is your prerogative and while he is well intentioned, he appears a misguided to me. They say birds of a feather flock together. Perhaps you can get married soon! So you are saying you are a self loathing homosexual man Toasted? |
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Post by MiketheMechanic on Apr 30, 2017 16:11:03 GMT
As I thought, you are pretty stupid. Go back to fixing your cars Mike, you phony gay. Having been an online aquantance/friend of the poster who now calls himself Mike The Mechanic for many years I can assure you there is nothing "phony" about him whatsover Toasted Cheese. In fact, like me, he was one of the few posters on the old IMDB forums who used his real life photograph as his avatar. The poster known as Mike the Mechanic is one of the most honest and transparent posters I have ever come across on an online forum. He's one of the good guys Toasted Cheese. Hell, if I was ever forced to got to war again I would be happy to have in my trench. Your absolute failure to read Mike The Mechanic or to understand what he has said in his posts here shows that your bizarre perception of Hugh Jackman's sexuality are as likely to be way, way off the mark too. I'll tell you one more thing about Mike The Mechanic too Toasted Cheese. This man's steadfast principles helped me to overcome my own ridiculous prejudices against transgender folk. He actually helped make me a better person, and for that I will always respect him and be grateful. You have not covered yourself with glory on this thread Toasted Cheese. Thank you so much for the kinds words Cody! We've seen a lot over the years on the old board and have gone through a lot as well and I have grown to admire and respect you so much, truly you are one of the best people that I've had the good fortune of meeting on the internet! We will always be there for each other, my friend!  |
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Post by MiketheMechanic on Apr 30, 2017 16:12:13 GMT
lol, it doesn't work that way that a man has to be gay just because he's gorgeous. You'd be surprised how many straight men are also gorgeous... Well sure, I married one. Lucky for me Murphy's law wasn't in play when I met him Exactly, good for you!! |
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Post by MiketheMechanic on Apr 30, 2017 16:17:32 GMT
Are you saying you are "gay" Toasted Cheese? If you are, I don't understand why you have said the things you have said on this thread. Actually, even if you are a heterosexual I don't understand why you have said the things you have said on this thread.No, I didn't think you would understand. You don't sound like a very perceptive heterosexual to me, most aren't! Although I appreciate you taking the time to justify your stance and your relationships with women— barf!—at the risk of sounding blunt and rude, I couldn't care less jeffersoncody and I wouldn't be relying on your insight to tell me about the way things are, especially about homosexuality. You are like the rest and see "straight" before "gay" and if you feel connected and receptive to Mike, that is your prerogative and while he is well intentioned, he appears a misguided to me. They say birds of a feather flock together. Perhaps you can get married soon! There isn't anything in your response that makes sense and cannot be taken seriously. Heterosexuals aren't perceptive?  I think the only person here who is misguided is yourself. |
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Post by MiketheMechanic on Apr 30, 2017 16:21:24 GMT
That is bearding. She is also about 13yrs his senior and looks like a hag. Jackman is not one of my favorites as an actor, but he is very versatile and skilled. He got married to his beard just at the right time, and that gave him the image of "heteronormalcy". His career soon took off big. Best career move he made. If he was out, would he be as famous? I couldn't give a flying fuck whether someone is "gay" or "straight" Toasted Cheese, but I assure you the long-time-marriage between actress and producer Deborra-Lee Furness (who I met on a few occasions many years ago when a company I was working for were distributing the film SHAME - in which she starred. She struck me as a very cool, intelligent, passionate and together person. Also, she was and is an attractive, charismatic heterosexual woman) and hard working, down-to-earth movie star Hugh Jackman is not a sham. Both Jackman and Furness are heterosexual and Furness is certainly not his "beard". To say she looks like a "hag" is ignorant, sexist and stupid. Sure, she is older than him, but they love each other, so what does it matter? My long-time partner is also a good few years older than me, and I still love her as much as I did when we first fall in love with each other some 35-years ago. She was a very beautiful woman when I first me and she is still an attractive lady, but of course the years take a toll - and severe health problems over the last few years have taken a toll too). But you know what. I still see her as that beautiful, free-spirited, kind-hearted and loving women I met all those years ago. In my humble opinion both my partner and Debra-Lee Furness are attractive women, but of course beauty is in the eye of the beholder so you are welcome to your opinion. I imagine you are quite young, but hopefully you will come to learn that physical beauty is not the be be all and end of all of a relationship. I would much rather be in a relationship with an older woman of average looks who loves me, respects me, understands me and cares for me with all her heart than a drop dead beautiful young woman who is shallow, selfish, greedy and uncaring and is only in the realtionship for what she can get out of it. During those 35-years there have been times when my partner and I have had little break ups, and during those times I have had brief flings with women years and years younger than me (like 20 years or so younger) and while I have appreciated and enjoyed the sex it didn't come close to matching the lovemaking I share with the woman I have known and loved most of my adult life. Hugh Jackman and Debra-Lee Furness strike me as a happy, loving couple and I have no doubt that having a wife who takes care of their home and family (and continues to work as an actress and producer) while he is away working his butt off and bringing in the big bucks is one of the things that makes Hugh Jackman as successful and well balanced as he clearly is. True love is a very special thing and we all dream of it, but recognizing it, grabbing it and hanging on when it comes along is not always easy. I'm guessing you have a lot to learn about love, but I hope you get to meet your soul mate one day and spend the life that follows loving and being loved. I am almost 100% certain Hugh Jackman and Debra-Lee Furness are the real thing. www.google.co.za/search?q=hugh+jackman+and+his+wife&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&sqi=2&ved=0ahUKEwjyrN_u38vTAhWELsAKHbbCBcQQ7AkIeg&biw=1024&bih=653#imgrc=txLEpxMIZTwEgM:www.google.co.za/search?q=hugh+jackman+and+his+wife&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&sqi=2&ved=0ahUKEwjyrN_u38vTAhWELsAKHbbCBcQQ7AkIeg&biw=1024&bih=653#imgrc=U58qTfAKcUb5nM: For some reason the poster known as Toasted Cheese (how apt) has an odd obsession with outing the actor Hugh Jackman. Cody, I truly hope he reads your very informative post and allows it to sink in. Thanks for taking the time to break it down, I hope he appreciates it! |
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