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Post by charzhino on Jul 18, 2018 21:09:58 GMT
New mutants May be but not DP. Neither one is a big draw at the moment. Both could be considered a very small loss. Especially with Captain Marvel, Spider-man: FFH and Avengers 4 next year. New mutants had hype when its teaser dropped. Dark Phoneix has nothing promotional out, but once it is there will be attention. If they can market it with the unique story of the mental breakdown/psychological angle their going for, it may get good following. Captain marvel and those other films are just more of the same MCU flavour. Dark Phoneixs PR campaign has to be able to sell this film as more than "just another run of the mill Marvel movie" and it will have a good chance.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Jul 18, 2018 21:22:08 GMT
Personally, I lost any interest I might’ve once had for this film and New Mutants after the accouncememt of Disney buying Fox came about.
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Post by Agent of Chaos on Jul 18, 2018 21:37:21 GMT
He was suppose to make an appearance in Logan. Not sure if he actually played a major role in the story. I think he was suppose to be the Dr. Rice role. Even in Deadpool 2 you can tell that the Headmaster was suppose to be Mr. Sinister. I doubt that since Rice was the villian in the Target X inspired the plot.
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Post by Agent of Chaos on Jul 18, 2018 21:39:36 GMT
Personally, I lost any interest I might’ve once had for this film and New Mutants after the accouncememt of Disney buying Fox came about. I honestly don’t see how anyone can feel this way considering everyone was interested The Dark Knight Rises despite the the fact they noticed the reboot two years before it released.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Jul 18, 2018 21:43:43 GMT
Personally, I lost any interest I might’ve once had for this film and New Mutants after the accouncememt of Disney buying Fox came about. I honestly don’t see how anyone can feel this way considering everyone was interested The Dark Knight Rises despite the the fact they noticed the reboot two years before it released. It wasn’t announced that Batman would be getting rebooted until exactly a year after TDKR was released.
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Post by ThatGuy on Jul 18, 2018 21:51:52 GMT
I think he was suppose to be the Dr. Rice role. Even in Deadpool 2 you can tell that the Headmaster was suppose to be Mr. Sinister. I doubt that since Rice was the villian in the Target X inspired the plot. Hey, remember that time Stryker was the head of Weapon X in the comics and was the one that put the adamantium on Logan's bones? Yeah, me neither, but they did it in X2 and X-men Origins and Apocalypse.
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Post by ThatGuy on Jul 18, 2018 21:55:18 GMT
I honestly don’t see how anyone can feel this way considering everyone was interested The Dark Knight Rises despite the the fact they noticed the reboot two years before it released. It wasn’t announced that Batman would be getting rebooted until exactly a year after TDKR was released. Also, did he compare The Dark Knight to Apocalypse? I think that if Apocalypse was a better movie (especially coming off of DoFP) then people would be salivating for Dark Phoenix as a viable redo on X3.
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Post by Agent of Chaos on Jul 18, 2018 21:58:47 GMT
I honestly don’t see how anyone can feel this way considering everyone was interested The Dark Knight Rises despite the the fact they noticed the reboot two years before it released. It wasn’t announced that Batman would be getting rebooted until exactly a year after TDKR was released. Nolan always said it was going the end of Bruce’s story and that version of Batman lives in a world without superheroes. So it was never going to be apart of a shared universe that Green Lantern was originally suppose to start.
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Post by ThatGuy on Jul 18, 2018 22:04:25 GMT
Neither one is a big draw at the moment. Both could be considered a very small loss. Especially with Captain Marvel, Spider-man: FFH and Avengers 4 next year. New mutants had hype when its teaser dropped. Dark Phoneix has nothing promotional out, but once it is there will be attention. If they can market it with the unique story of the mental breakdown/psychological angle their going for, it may get good following. Captain marvel and those other films are just more of the same MCU flavour. Dark Phoneixs PR campaign has to be able to sell this film as more than "just another run of the mill Marvel movie" and it will have a good chance. New Mutants lost any hype that it had when they pushed it way back and decided to do reshoots. People see that year and a half push back plus the reshoots as a bad thing. Dark Phoenix doesn't need promotional content because there are X-men, Marvel, and comic book movie fans. That's where the hype is. Also, there are lots of behind the scenes photos and, get this, the Entertainment Weekly pictures. Which really is promotional content.
"Just more of the same MCU flavor" is what people want. Dark Phoenix's PR campaign also has to sell this film as more than just X3 2.0 and "just another run of the mill X-men movie." Are they going to fight Magneto again? Who wants to take that bet?
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Post by Agent of Chaos on Jul 18, 2018 22:04:31 GMT
It wasn’t announced that Batman would be getting rebooted until exactly a year after TDKR was released. Also, did he compare The Dark Knight to Apocalypse? I honestly think that if Apocalypse was a better movie (especially coming off of DoFP) then people would be salivating for Dark Phoenix as a viable redo on X3. No. Dark Phoenix and New Mutants are not even direct follow ups to Apocalypse. Dark Phoenix is more like a spin-off similar to Logan.
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Post by ThatGuy on Jul 18, 2018 22:06:15 GMT
Also, did he compare The Dark Knight to Apocalypse? I honestly think that if Apocalypse was a better movie (especially coming off of DoFP) then people would be salivating for Dark Phoenix as a viable redo on X3. No. Dark Phoenix and New Mutants are not even direct follow ups to Apocalypse. Dark Phoenix is more like a spin-off similar to Logan. How is Dark Phoenix not a follow up to Apocalypse? That's like saying that Apocalypse wasn't a follow up to Days of Future Past.
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Post by Agent of Chaos on Jul 18, 2018 22:12:32 GMT
I doubt that since Rice was the villian in the Target X inspired the plot. Hey, remember that time Stryker was the head of Weapon X in the comics and was the one that put the adamantium on Logan's bones? Yeah, me neither, but they did it in X2 and X-men Origins and Apocalypse. Read the Ultimate storyline “Return to Weapon X”. Styker is based on the villian in that story.
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Post by Agent of Chaos on Jul 18, 2018 22:17:01 GMT
No. Dark Phoenix and New Mutants are not even direct follow ups to Apocalypse. Dark Phoenix is more like a spin-off similar to Logan. How is Dark Phoenix not a follow up to Apocalypse? That's like saying that Apocalypse wasn't a follow up to Days of Future Past. Days of Future Past and Apocalypse are centered on the First Class. While Dark Phoenix is centered on Jean who only had a supporting role in Apocalypse. It would be like saying Logan is a direct follow up to Apocalypse because Wolverine had a supporting role in that too. Logan and Dark Phoenix are to Apocalypse as what Spider-Man: Homecoming and Black Panther were to Captain America: Civil War.
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Post by ThatGuy on Jul 19, 2018 0:45:41 GMT
How is Dark Phoenix not a follow up to Apocalypse? That's like saying that Apocalypse wasn't a follow up to Days of Future Past. Days of Future Past and Apocalypse are centered on the First Class. While Dark Phoenix is centered on Jean who only had a supporting role in Apocalypse. It would be like saying Logan is a direct follow up to Apocalypse because Wolverine had a supporting role in that too. Logan and Dark Phoenix are to Apocalypse as what Spider-Man: Homecoming and Black Panther were to Captain America: Civil War. Not even close. Dark Phoenix is a part of the main line of X-men movies. And Xavier and Magneto and Beast are the main characters of the movie. Just because Mystique is getting less screen time doesn't mean the others aren't getting as much.
Dark Phoenix is to Apocalypse what X3 was to X2.
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Post by ThatGuy on Jul 19, 2018 0:55:42 GMT
Hey, remember that time Stryker was the head of Weapon X in the comics and was the one that put the adamantium on Logan's bones? Yeah, me neither, but they did it in X2 and X-men Origins and Apocalypse. Read the Ultimate storyline “Return to Weapon X”. Styker is based on the villian in that story. Wait, Stryker was in that story? Or was it Wraith who was also in X-men Origins. Stryker took the place of Professor Thorton. Also called the Professor.
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Post by Agent of Chaos on Jul 19, 2018 1:54:56 GMT
Days of Future Past and Apocalypse are centered on the First Class. While Dark Phoenix is centered on Jean who only had a supporting role in Apocalypse. It would be like saying Logan is a direct follow up to Apocalypse because Wolverine had a supporting role in that too. Logan and Dark Phoenix are to Apocalypse as what Spider-Man: Homecoming and Black Panther were to Captain America: Civil War. Not even close. Dark Phoenix is a part of the main line of X-men movies. And Xavier and Magneto and Beast are the main characters of the movie. Just because Mystique is getting less screen time doesn't mean the others aren't getting as much.
Dark Phoenix is to Apocalypse what X3 was to X2.
So why isn’t X-Men in the title? They sure aren’t selling it as a main line film. Xavier was a main character in Logan and that isn’t a main line X-Men movie. In Dark Phoenix he just has mentor role like Iron Man did in Homecoming. And I doubt Beast is having anything more than a supporting role. I haven’t read anything that suggests that he does. Read the Ultimate storyline “Return to Weapon X”. Styker is based on the villian in that story. Wait, Stryker was in that story? Or was it Wraith who was also in X-men Origins. Stryker took the place of Professor Thorton. Also called the Professor. It was a white guy who went by the name of John Wraith. He was in the Wolverine & The X-Men cartoon. He’s a military Colonel behind Weapon X and “created” Wolverine, who forces mutants to do his dirty work such as Nightcrawler(this is also his introduction), then attacks the X-mansion to gets some X-Men like Cyclops working for him. He even tries to use Xavier’s powers for his own gain. Sound familiar? They basically just changed his name to William Styker, gave him his backstory, and added the genocide goal. I suspect that they didn’t want to call him John Wraith because they wanted to use the classic version down the line.
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Post by ThatGuy on Jul 19, 2018 9:50:52 GMT
Not even close. Dark Phoenix is a part of the main line of X-men movies. And Xavier and Magneto and Beast are the main characters of the movie. Just because Mystique is getting less screen time doesn't mean the others aren't getting as much.
Dark Phoenix is to Apocalypse what X3 was to X2.
So why isn’t X-Men in the title? They sure aren’t selling it as a main line film. Xavier was a main character in Logan and that isn’t a main line X-Men movie. In Dark Phoenix he just has mentor role like Iron Man did in Homecoming. And I doubt Beast is having anything more than a supporting role. I haven’t read anything that suggests that he does. Wait, Stryker was in that story? Or was it Wraith who was also in X-men Origins. Stryker took the place of Professor Thorton. Also called the Professor. It was a white guy who went by the name of John Wraith. He was in the Wolverine & The X-Men cartoon. He’s a military Colonel behind Weapon X and “created” Wolverine, who forces mutants to do his dirty work such as Nightcrawler(this is also his introduction), then attacks the X-mansion to gets some X-Men like Cyclops working for him. He even tries to use Xavier’s powers for his own gain. Sound familiar? They basically just changed his name to William Styker, gave him his backstory, and added the genocide goal. I suspect that they didn’t want to call him John Wraith because they wanted to use the classic version down the line. You'd have to ask them. I mean, is X-men Origins actually X-men 4? It has X-men in the title. Is The Dark Knight a spin-off of Batman Begins? Is Batman v Superman not a direct sequel to Man of Steel? Is Justice League not a direct sequel to BvS? They aren't selling X-men as a main X-men movie because they don't care anymore. After Apocalypse X-men has gone done the tubes. Again. DoFP did well because of a "promise" they made in the trailers and because people liked First Class. Maybe they are trying to distance the tarnished name of X-men from the movie. Both Deadpool movies have X-men in them and people went to see them.
Notice that I said Xavier and Magneto and Beast. Only having a senile Xavier in Logan is not the same as having the starring characters from the previous 3 movies.
It was still John Wraith.
They don't think past the current movie they are doing, either the movie before or after. That's why they have so many continuity errors in the X-men movies. So the idea that they were saving a character for later doesn't mesh.
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Post by charzhino on Jul 19, 2018 10:16:53 GMT
[New Mutants lost any hype that it had when they pushed it way back and decided to do reshoots. People see that year and a half push back plus the reshoots as a bad thing. Dark Phoenix doesn't need promotional content because there are X-men, Marvel, and comic book movie fans. That's where the hype is. Also, there are lots of behind the scenes photos and, get this, the Entertainment Weekly pictures. Which really is promotional content."Just more of the same MCU flavor" is what people want. Dark Phoenix's PR campaign also has to sell this film as more than just X3 2.0 and "just another run of the mill X-men movie." Are they going to fight Magneto again? Who wants to take that bet? [/div][/quote] If New mutants had been coming out this year, there would be hype because its different from you're usual serving of MCU formulaic films. Thats why Antman is suffering. Audiences were attracted to Logan and Deadpool 1/2 because they are branching out into different subgenres of the comic book movie medium. And from what Ive read, Dark Phoneix wants to follow that trend which should be its main seller in the PR campaign when it gets launched. There was no buzz about Logan before the first trailer either. We already know what kinda film Cap Marvel, Spiderman is going to be more of the same. Apocalypse unfortunately was a generic CBM in the most part which is why it killed the momentum of the Xfilms. Dark Phoneix will be like Venom, a darker film based on split personality/psychological trauma of the lead character, an angle thats not been done in any movie so far, certainly not in the MCU. And new mutants would have been the first CBM-horror hybrid. Thats the best strategy to compete with MCUs movies, risk taking and innovation not trying to straight up copy them like Apocalypse and Justice League.
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Post by Agent of Chaos on Jul 19, 2018 12:27:04 GMT
You'd have to ask them. I mean, is X-men Origins actually X-men 4? It has X-men in the title. Is The Dark Knight a spin-off of Batman Begins? Is Batman v Superman not a direct sequel to Man of Steel? Is Justice League not a direct sequel to BvS? They aren't selling X-men as a main X-men movie because they don't care anymore. After Apocalypse X-men has gone done the tubes. Again. DoFP did well because of a "promise" they made in the trailers and because people liked First Class. Maybe they are trying to distance the tarnished name of X-men from the movie. Both Deadpool movies have X-men in them and people went to see them.
The first Wolverine film didn’t have the title “X-Men” but “X-Men Origins”, to sell that it wasn’t a sequel to X3 but a prequel. The Dark Knight’s title sells that it’s a continuation of Bruce Wayne’s story because “The Dark Knight” is one of the nicknames of his Batman alias. Similar to how the sequel to The Wolverine is titled Logan, both titles refer to the same exact character. If this movie was titled “Childern of The Atom” it would be a fair comparison, but it’s title refers to a single character and not the team. And like with The Dark Knight the title “Batman v Superman” sells that it’s s the continuation of Kal-El/Clark Kent’s story, because both “Man of Steel” and “Superman” refer to that character. While Justice League was a crossover movie like The Avengers and not a solo Superman movie. It wasn’t just a follow-up to the Superman films but the Wonder Woman film as well. It’s as much of a sequel to BvS as Avengers was to Iron Man 2. The X-Men has gone down the tube after Apocalypse? I’m not sure why you are saying this after Logan, which made more money than Apocalypse and sold more tickets than previous Wolverine films. And before you bring up inflation, notice how I mentioned tickets sells and not Box Office. While after Origins the following Wolverine film sold less tickets. Saying it went down the tube again is pretty baseless. And Captain America: Civil War featured the starring characters of the Avengers films(minus Hulk and Thor) and Spider-Man: Homecoming featured the starring characters of the Iron Man films(Tony, Happy, and Pepper). Doesn’t change the fact that they are not direct Avengers and Iron Man sequels. Don’t think pass the current films? You’ve forgotten about the Dark Phoenix teases in X2. And apparently, Bryan Singer hired Famke Janssen because he thought she could play a good Dark Phoenix after seeing her as a bad Bond girl.
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Post by ThatGuy on Jul 19, 2018 17:04:43 GMT
You'd have to ask them. I mean, is X-men Origins actually X-men 4? It has X-men in the title. Is The Dark Knight a spin-off of Batman Begins? Is Batman v Superman not a direct sequel to Man of Steel? Is Justice League not a direct sequel to BvS? They aren't selling X-men as a main X-men movie because they don't care anymore. After Apocalypse X-men has gone done the tubes. Again. DoFP did well because of a "promise" they made in the trailers and because people liked First Class. Maybe they are trying to distance the tarnished name of X-men from the movie. Both Deadpool movies have X-men in them and people went to see them.
The first Wolverine film didn’t have the title “X-Men” but “X-Men Origins”, to sell that it wasn’t a sequel to X3 but a prequel. The Dark Knight’s title sells that it’s a continuation of Bruce Wayne’s story because “The Dark Knight” is one of the nicknames of his Batman alias. Similar to how the sequel to The Wolverine is titled Logan, both titles refer to the same exact character. If this movie was titled “Childern of The Atom” it would be a fair comparison, but it’s title refers to a single character and not the team. And like with The Dark Knight the title “Batman v Superman” sells that it’s s the continuation of Kal-El/Clark Kent’s story, because both “Man of Steel” and “Superman” refer to that character. While Justice League was a crossover movie like The Avengers and not a solo Superman movie. It wasn’t just a follow-up to the Superman films but the Wonder Woman film as well. It’s as much of a sequel to BvS as Avengers was to Iron Man 2. The X-Men has gone down the tube after Apocalypse? I’m not sure why you are saying this after Logan, which made more money than Apocalypse and sold more tickets than previous Wolverine films. And before you bring up inflation, notice how I mentioned tickets sells and not Box Office. While after Origins the following Wolverine film sold less tickets. Saying it went down the tube again is pretty baseless. And Captain America: Civil War featured the starring characters of the Avengers films(minus Hulk and Thor) and Spider-Man: Homecoming featured the starring characters of the Iron Man films(Tony, Happy, and Pepper). Doesn’t change the fact that they are not direct Avengers and Iron Man sequels. Don’t think pass the current films? You’ve forgotten about the Dark Phoenix teases in X2. And apparently, Bryan Singer hired Famke Janssen because he thought she could play a good Dark Phoenix after seeing her as a bad Bond girl. You're flailing.
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