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Post by merh on Jul 3, 2018 1:14:28 GMT
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Post by thisguy4000 on Jul 3, 2018 2:45:35 GMT
It would save the franchise if they put future movies on hold for a few years. People aren’t in a hurry to see Rian Johnson’s trilogy, and I say that as someone who actually liked TLJ.
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Post by merh on Jul 3, 2018 4:04:00 GMT
There are a lot of fans wanting Kennedy gone
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Post by _ on Jul 3, 2018 4:40:41 GMT
Why are you blaming any of us? If Disney is firing her, they must think she fucked up. |
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Post by _ on Jul 3, 2018 4:41:26 GMT
There are a lot of fans wanting Kennedy gone And a lot of Disney execs, too. |
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Post by merh on Jul 3, 2018 7:57:10 GMT
There are a lot of fans wanting Kennedy gone And a lot of Disney execs, too. Disney execs are running into the same problem as WB is with DC fans-you cant please them because the fandom is split. You have the current comic fans who worship Batman & Nolan & you have the public at large that like the characters they remember from their youth. Christopher Reeve. The classic Supes & Bats. I went to Solo again Saturday. The audience laughed at the jokes & seemed to enjoy it. They were also pretty much old enough to have seen the original in the theater back in 1977. The Star Wars fandom is split & its a split that has been with them since at least the prequels. You have the fans who love the films but have never bothered with the expanded stuff-the books or the cartoons. Even Rian Johnson is a WB style mistake. WB put its faith in Snyder who wowed with 300 & Watchmen. Watchmen was budgeted at $130 mill & took in $107 mill domestic yet WB gave him the keys to their DC cinematic universe which has done well with the hardcore audience, but lost the general fans. Domestic the 5 films have made $1.5 billion domestic & $3.7 billion worldwide. MCU take domestic 19 films is $6.6 billion/$16.9 billion worldwide. Thats an average of $300 mill domestic/$740 mill worldwide per picture vs $347 mill/$889 mill. DC even had the advantage of more familiar characters. Marvel following typical book publishing practice licensed their heavy hitters, their Batman, Superman & Wonder Woman, out to the highest bidder leaving them with lesser known characters-their Flash, Green Lantern, etc. Brothers Bloom was a good movie. Odd, but I enjoyed it. Looper I couldnt finish. It just never pulled me in. Why the hell did they offer this guy their golden egg? Much like why did WB give the DCEU to the guy who made Sucker Punch, a film that made $37 mill domestic off an $82 mill budget? Ron Howard was a far better choice, but the fanboys showed Disney! Star Wars is probably closer to 300 than Brothers Bloom. It is more a mythic voyage-the Hero's Journey. Jedi, aliens...they are more Hercules, Medusa, Gorgon, Titans, etc. Not that Snyder would work in Star Wars. Hell no. 300 is more a war movie with closer ties to [name your favorite war movie. Battle of the Bulge. Whatever]. My back-of-head suspicion is Disney wanted what he sold. Like WB, they thought the fans would buy it. They want to branch away from the Skywalker story. disneyworld.disney.go.com/entertainment/hollywood-studios/star-wars-jedi-training/That sells better getting away from The Force running strong with the Skywalkers. Granted, obviously Lucas showed others could use the Force. Obi-wan isn't a Skywalker. I'm suspicious they brought Johnson in to sell the merchandise. But thats still no damned reason to boycott Solo. You know Marvel had something similar. He's the one who gave us Inhumans. When they moved him to the TV side is when Inhumans switched from a movie to a TV series. I'm convinced his interest in Inhumans is because Marvel hasn't had the film rights to XMEN but Perlmutter sees them as the same. |
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Jul 3, 2018 11:08:21 GMT
Happy? No. her days are numbered, we know this since weeks. her head will roll. her fate was decided when she told us to eat cake you can't have your cake and eat it not without a head
Happy? No? The Force is not in balance. It's not about punishing Kennedy. It's about healing the disease, The diagnosis is lack of imagination, The hydra has many heads, KK is one of them. JJ is another.
So, happy? No! A new hope? Sure!
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Post by ThatGuy on Jul 3, 2018 20:26:20 GMT
And a lot of Disney execs, too. Disney execs are running into the same problem as WB is with DC fans-you cant please them because the fandom is split. You have the current comic fans who worship Batman & Nolan & you have the public at large that like the characters they remember from their youth. Christopher Reeve. The classic Supes & Bats. I went to Solo again Saturday. The audience laughed at the jokes & seemed to enjoy it. They were also pretty much old enough to have seen the original in the theater back in 1977. The Star Wars fandom is split & its a split that has been with them since at least the prequels. You have the fans who love the films but have never bothered with the expanded stuff-the books or the cartoons. Even Rian Johnson is a WB style mistake. WB put its faith in Snyder who wowed with 300 & Watchmen. Watchmen was budgeted at $130 mill & took in $107 mill domestic yet WB gave him the keys to their DC cinematic universe which has done well with the hardcore audience, but lost the general fans. Domestic the 5 films have made $1.5 billion domestic & $3.7 billion worldwide. MCU take domestic 19 films is $6.6 billion/$16.9 billion worldwide. Thats an average of $300 mill domestic/$740 mill worldwide per picture vs $347 mill/$889 mill. DC even had the advantage of more familiar characters. Marvel following typical book publishing practice licensed their heavy hitters, their Batman, Superman & Wonder Woman, out to the highest bidder leaving them with lesser known characters-their Flash, Green Lantern, etc. Brothers Bloom was a good movie. Odd, but I enjoyed it. Looper I couldnt finish. It just never pulled me in. Why the hell did they offer this guy their golden egg? Much like why did WB give the DCEU to the guy who made Sucker Punch, a film that made $37 mill domestic off an $82 mill budget? Ron Howard was a far better choice, but the fanboys showed Disney! Star Wars is probably closer to 300 than Brothers Bloom. It is more a mythic voyage-the Hero's Journey. Jedi, aliens...they are more Hercules, Medusa, Gorgon, Titans, etc. Not that Snyder would work in Star Wars. Hell no. 300 is more a war movie with closer ties to [name your favorite war movie. Battle of the Bulge. Whatever]. My back-of-head suspicion is Disney wanted what he sold. Like WB, they thought the fans would buy it. They want to branch away from the Skywalker story. disneyworld.disney.go.com/entertainment/hollywood-studios/star-wars-jedi-training/That sells better getting away from The Force running strong with the Skywalkers. Granted, obviously Lucas showed others could use the Force. Obi-wan isn't a Skywalker. I'm suspicious they brought Johnson in to sell the merchandise. But thats still no damned reason to boycott Solo. You know Marvel had something similar. He's the one who gave us Inhumans. When they moved him to the TV side is when Inhumans switched from a movie to a TV series. I'm convinced his interest in Inhumans is because Marvel hasn't had the film rights to XMEN but Perlmutter sees them as the same. I don't think people were getting at Howard personally for Solo. Maybe what he represented. People just went through a similar thing with Justice League of a director being replaced near the end of making a movie. I think it was also TLJ and "Not my Solo." A lot of people see actors before the character. I think Ewan McGregor gets a pass because we've gotten use to him over 3 movies already and he is a known. Alden is a known unknown. That's why people wanted Lando as the star. Glover is a known. I mean, people were actually wanting some YouTube actor that was doing Harrison Ford impressions for the movie... Familiarity. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2018 22:09:57 GMT
I don't know that it would make me happy as such. But she could hardly expect to keep her job given her performance. Hiring and then firing Lord and Miller probably cost her bosses a hundred million dollars. She's responsible for the first movie in the history of the franchise to lose money. She's ignored or belittled a significant portion of the franchise fan base on the assumption that they'll either pay to see the movies anyway, or it won't matter because doing so will broaden the fanbase so much that those lost won't matter. And it hasn't worked out that way. In short, she's taken on a big job and stuffed it up. With that level of job performance, would you expect her to keep her job? |
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Post by merh on Jul 3, 2018 23:48:32 GMT
Disney execs are running into the same problem as WB is with DC fans-you cant please them because the fandom is split. You have the current comic fans who worship Batman & Nolan & you have the public at large that like the characters they remember from their youth. Christopher Reeve. The classic Supes & Bats. I went to Solo again Saturday. The audience laughed at the jokes & seemed to enjoy it. They were also pretty much old enough to have seen the original in the theater back in 1977. The Star Wars fandom is split & its a split that has been with them since at least the prequels. You have the fans who love the films but have never bothered with the expanded stuff-the books or the cartoons. Even Rian Johnson is a WB style mistake. WB put its faith in Snyder who wowed with 300 & Watchmen. Watchmen was budgeted at $130 mill & took in $107 mill domestic yet WB gave him the keys to their DC cinematic universe which has done well with the hardcore audience, but lost the general fans. Domestic the 5 films have made $1.5 billion domestic & $3.7 billion worldwide. MCU take domestic 19 films is $6.6 billion/$16.9 billion worldwide. Thats an average of $300 mill domestic/$740 mill worldwide per picture vs $347 mill/$889 mill. DC even had the advantage of more familiar characters. Marvel following typical book publishing practice licensed their heavy hitters, their Batman, Superman & Wonder Woman, out to the highest bidder leaving them with lesser known characters-their Flash, Green Lantern, etc. Brothers Bloom was a good movie. Odd, but I enjoyed it. Looper I couldnt finish. It just never pulled me in. Why the hell did they offer this guy their golden egg? Much like why did WB give the DCEU to the guy who made Sucker Punch, a film that made $37 mill domestic off an $82 mill budget? Ron Howard was a far better choice, but the fanboys showed Disney! Star Wars is probably closer to 300 than Brothers Bloom. It is more a mythic voyage-the Hero's Journey. Jedi, aliens...they are more Hercules, Medusa, Gorgon, Titans, etc. Not that Snyder would work in Star Wars. Hell no. 300 is more a war movie with closer ties to [name your favorite war movie. Battle of the Bulge. Whatever]. My back-of-head suspicion is Disney wanted what he sold. Like WB, they thought the fans would buy it. They want to branch away from the Skywalker story. disneyworld.disney.go.com/entertainment/hollywood-studios/star-wars-jedi-training/That sells better getting away from The Force running strong with the Skywalkers. Granted, obviously Lucas showed others could use the Force. Obi-wan isn't a Skywalker. I'm suspicious they brought Johnson in to sell the merchandise. But thats still no damned reason to boycott Solo. You know Marvel had something similar. He's the one who gave us Inhumans. When they moved him to the TV side is when Inhumans switched from a movie to a TV series. I'm convinced his interest in Inhumans is because Marvel hasn't had the film rights to XMEN but Perlmutter sees them as the same. I don't think people were getting at Howard personally for Solo. Maybe what he represented. People just went through a similar thing with Justice League of a director being replaced near the end of making a movie. I think it was also TLJ and "Not my Solo." A lot of people see actors before the character. I think Ewan McGregor gets a pass because we've gotten use to him over 3 movies already and he is a known. Alden is a known unknown. That's why people wanted Lando as the star. Glover is a known. I mean, people were actually wanting some YouTube actor that was doing Harrison Ford impressions for the movie... Familiarity. You think JL failed over a switched director? Whedon was too little too late. Bats is obsessed with killing Supes, then next movie says we need to bring him back? I went to JL in the theater I have the steel book blue ray. I am a Thor fangirl. A Captain America fangirl. But i remember Kal-El & Kara from my childhood as well. I LOVE Supergirl. They got Kara & Kal-El right. So yeah, last Jedi sucked for laying waste to everything Abrams set up, but I CAN SEE Luke ending up a hermit, disillusioned. All you fools who didnt bother with Solo deprived yourself of an excellent movie. We see Han, street kid but still in his way as innocent & hopeful as Luke in the course of the movie het betrayed again & again. He's not the Han we know in New Hope yet, but he is on his way And Luke took his own journey to become disillusioned like Han in New Hope by the time we see him again in TFA. But what some of you Luke fanboys also miss is a line in Solo where Qi'ra informs Han he isn't the outlaw he fancies himself. He is a good guy. The good guy that resurfaces in New Hope to save Luke. Think about it. They ended the Emperor. Rebuilding the universe shouldnt have been that hard... Yet we have the First Order taking over. It's like the flower children of the 60s were going to end war forever. Do you see where Luke is now in TLJ? Youth & optimism gone. No other Jedi to offer support. Obviously teaching padawans isnt as easy as it looks. Obi-wan failed with Anakin. And again... Star Wars fans are the worst fandom, isnt it? You all whine Solo comes out 6 months after TLJ-TOO SOON! Marvel put out Black Panther in February, Avengers in April, & Ant-man this Friday. THREE FILMS. what's wrong with you guys? Can't keep up? YOU CAN'T REPLACE HARRISON FORD!!! Meanwhile Marvel quietly plugs in Mark Ruffalo to replace Ed Norton as Bruce Banner & isn't Ferrigno done as the voice of Hulk? Hasn't it been Ruffalo since Ragnarok? Terrance Howard replaced by Don Cheadle as Rhodey. Not a peep from the fanboys. Zachary Levi replaced Joshua Dallas as Fandral in Dark Work. No problem. So why is it ok when Marvel does it, but the Star Wars fanboys have a cow over every little thing? I have loved Thor & Cap since 1965. 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Post by merh on Jul 4, 2018 0:10:40 GMT
I don't know that it would make me happy as such. But she could hardly expect to keep her job given her performance. Hiring and then firing Lord and Miller probably cost her bosses a hundred million dollars. She's responsible for the first movie in the history of the franchise to lose money. She's ignored or belittled a significant portion of the franchise fan base on the assumption that they'll either pay to see the movies anyway, or it won't matter because doing so will broaden the fanbase so much that those lost won't matter. And it hasn't worked out that way. In short, she's taken on a big job and stuffed it up. With that level of job performance, would you expect her to keep her job? Perlmutter is still with Marvel & his pennypinching probably messed up Ultron. He thought no one would notice replacing Howard with Cheadle because they were both black actors. If you dont trust Wikipedia on that, I have the original article bookmarked (Hollywood Reporter I believe). They moved him over to the TV side. It was when Inhumans stopped being on the list of movies & became a tv show. Why were Miller & Lord making the film? I understand they were going for GotG. How does THAT fit Star Wars? Why was Johnson selected for TLJ? If anything, he might have worked for Solo if he could be kept from deconstructing Solo because we know where he ends up in about 15 yrs. But then the studios have been doing stuff like that. Look at Marvel. They have fired lots of directors. They still have a $17 billion worldwide franchise. |
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Post by ThatGuy on Jul 4, 2018 0:50:20 GMT
I don't think people were getting at Howard personally for Solo. Maybe what he represented. People just went through a similar thing with Justice League of a director being replaced near the end of making a movie. I think it was also TLJ and "Not my Solo." A lot of people see actors before the character. I think Ewan McGregor gets a pass because we've gotten use to him over 3 movies already and he is a known. Alden is a known unknown. That's why people wanted Lando as the star. Glover is a known. I mean, people were actually wanting some YouTube actor that was doing Harrison Ford impressions for the movie... Familiarity. You think JL failed over a switched director? Whedon was too little too late. Bats is obsessed with killing Supes, then next movie says we need to bring him back? I went to JL in the theater I have the steel book blue ray. I am a Thor fangirl. A Captain America fangirl. But i remember Kal-El & Kara from my childhood as well. I LOVE Supergirl. They got Kara & Kal-El right. So yeah, last Jedi sucked for laying waste to everything Abrams set up, but I CAN SEE Luke ending up a hermit, disillusioned. All you fools who didnt bother with Solo deprived yourself of an excellent movie. We see Han, street kid but still in his way as innocent & hopeful as Luke in the course of the movie het betrayed again & again. He's not the Han we know in New Hope yet, but he is on his way And Luke took his own journey to become disillusioned like Han in New Hope by the time we see him again in TFA. But what some of you Luke fanboys also miss is a line in Solo where Qi'ra informs Han he isn't the outlaw he fancies himself. He is a good guy. The good guy that resurfaces in New Hope to save Luke. Think about it. They ended the Emperor. Rebuilding the universe shouldnt have been that hard... Yet we have the First Order taking over. It's like the flower children of the 60s were going to end war forever. Do you see where Luke is now in TLJ? Youth & optimism gone. No other Jedi to offer support. Obviously teaching padawans isnt as easy as it looks. Obi-wan failed with Anakin. And again... Star Wars fans are the worst fandom, isnt it? You all whine Solo comes out 6 months after TLJ-TOO SOON! Marvel put out Black Panther in February, Avengers in April, & Ant-man this Friday. THREE FILMS. what's wrong with you guys? Can't keep up? YOU CAN'T REPLACE HARRISON FORD!!! Meanwhile Marvel quietly plugs in Mark Ruffalo to replace Ed Norton as Bruce Banner & isn't Ferrigno done as the voice of Hulk? Hasn't it been Ruffalo since Ragnarok? Terrance Howard replaced by Don Cheadle as Rhodey. Not a peep from the fanboys. Zachary Levi replaced Joshua Dallas as Fandral in Dark Work. No problem. So why is it ok when Marvel does it, but the Star Wars fanboys have a cow over every little thing? I have loved Thor & Cap since 1965. I have loved Star Wars since 1977. Hell, I remember having a Star Trek Phaser when I was 7 or 8 so around 1967.(shot little round plastic disks) No, I was saying that people just went through a similar situation where there was a director switch at the end of filming a movie. People would associate that to another movie. And no matter what was in the movie they will blame the director switch.
I think people see that you can't bring in a new Han because he's that guy from their childhood and he still was Han in EP7. I think if they recast the character between 4 and 5, people wouldn't be up in arms. You see people trying to fan cast imitations. They look for images of Christopher Reeve in other actors playing Superman because they always want Reeve as Superman. The Marvel movies are still new. And we've gotten to the point where actors are switched out regularly now, but classics are your childhood. That's why people say the stupid "[person] raped my childhood."
I've always been at liking the character, not the actor playing the role.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2018 0:53:43 GMT
Perlmutter is still with Marvel & his pennypinching probably messed up Ultron. Ultron made $1.4 billion and has an 83% audience score on RT. Solo made about a quarter of that and has a 65% score on RT. There are degrees of messing up, and Solo was messed up far more than Ultron. No, he thought nobody would mind. And very few people did mind. Hell, I'd even go so far as to say a lot of people didn't notice. I'm not really sure what point you're making here or what it's got to do with Solo. You seem to be arguing that a Marvel guy screwed up and got "moved", aka fired. Okay. Kennedy screwed up far bigger. She'll be "moved" too. It doesn't. Which is the point - those were Kennedy's decisions. She chose the directors. She let them spend a hundred million or more. Then she canned them and hired somebody else to spend another hundred million to reshoot almost the entire film. And still wound up with a movie people flocked to avoid. If you really think "Well they changed an actor but still made 1.4 billion dollars" compares with that then you're being foolish. Right, because the Marvel screwups have been relatively minor and have not damaged the films. Ultron was still an enjoyable movie. Almost every Marvel movie has been, to one extent or another. And because the Marvel people know better than to attack their own fanbase for complaining about the flaws in their movies. You know, the tactic that worked so very well for the Ghostbusters mess. Like it or not, Kennedy has stuffed this up. |
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Post by Primemovermithrax Pejorative on Jul 4, 2018 1:40:18 GMT
She is just the figurehead. She and Abrams wanted more time to complete TFA and Iger overruled them. So who is in charge? They hired her because they wanted someone who would do what they wanted as well as suggesting security since she was from Spielberg's company (she worked for him, not Lucas). Marvel is a little different. First, it is a decades old brand and the original creators are not involved with the movies. The plan for several movies was written some time ago. It has not had a cinema history--so anything goes. They can change actors-no one cares. Also, whatever marketing they do for it, is fundamentally different than Star Wars which has films that go back decades and people have expectations of a certain pattern. Disney miscalculated because they pushed their SJW agenda so hard (and they did it before they even bought Marvel-see Pirates 4, 2011) but pushing it with Star Wars derailed it. They could not play around with audience expectations, especially since sequel anticipation went back a long time. They assumed they could apply their cookie cutter assembly line film process to Star Wars, but it didnt work. Hiring a Woody Allen fan as director of a space action series was extremely bad decision--but hey-they want people who will do what they want.
There was no guiding hand. Kathleen Kennedy was never a creative director for Spielberg-she delegated responsibility. Iger and company were satisfied with getting their message out there. How do we even know they are dissatisfied with her? Do we have proof they planned to keep her on for five years or ten? Seems to me their problem is they aren't creative, they cant appoint someone to fix Star Wars because of the unique story dimensions of the universe (there isn't probably anyone who can fix it). As we keep saying, the Disney company has so much money, they arent going to go broke is Star Wars doesnt do well. The fact that they keep seeking new brands suggests they dont really care about any one in particular (which is precisely the attitude that led to this situation). |
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Post by merh on Jul 4, 2018 2:20:06 GMT
You think JL failed over a switched director? Whedon was too little too late. Bats is obsessed with killing Supes, then next movie says we need to bring him back? I went to JL in the theater I have the steel book blue ray. I am a Thor fangirl. A Captain America fangirl. But i remember Kal-El & Kara from my childhood as well. I LOVE Supergirl. They got Kara & Kal-El right. So yeah, last Jedi sucked for laying waste to everything Abrams set up, but I CAN SEE Luke ending up a hermit, disillusioned. All you fools who didnt bother with Solo deprived yourself of an excellent movie. We see Han, street kid but still in his way as innocent & hopeful as Luke in the course of the movie het betrayed again & again. He's not the Han we know in New Hope yet, but he is on his way And Luke took his own journey to become disillusioned like Han in New Hope by the time we see him again in TFA. But what some of you Luke fanboys also miss is a line in Solo where Qi'ra informs Han he isn't the outlaw he fancies himself. He is a good guy. The good guy that resurfaces in New Hope to save Luke. Think about it. They ended the Emperor. Rebuilding the universe shouldnt have been that hard... Yet we have the First Order taking over. It's like the flower children of the 60s were going to end war forever. Do you see where Luke is now in TLJ? Youth & optimism gone. No other Jedi to offer support. Obviously teaching padawans isnt as easy as it looks. Obi-wan failed with Anakin. And again... Star Wars fans are the worst fandom, isnt it? You all whine Solo comes out 6 months after TLJ-TOO SOON! Marvel put out Black Panther in February, Avengers in April, & Ant-man this Friday. THREE FILMS. what's wrong with you guys? Can't keep up? YOU CAN'T REPLACE HARRISON FORD!!! Meanwhile Marvel quietly plugs in Mark Ruffalo to replace Ed Norton as Bruce Banner & isn't Ferrigno done as the voice of Hulk? Hasn't it been Ruffalo since Ragnarok? Terrance Howard replaced by Don Cheadle as Rhodey. Not a peep from the fanboys. Zachary Levi replaced Joshua Dallas as Fandral in Dark Work. No problem. So why is it ok when Marvel does it, but the Star Wars fanboys have a cow over every little thing? I have loved Thor & Cap since 1965. I have loved Star Wars since 1977. Hell, I remember having a Star Trek Phaser when I was 7 or 8 so around 1967.(shot little round plastic disks) No, I was saying that people just went through a similar situation where there was a director switch at the end of filming a movie. People would associate that to another movie. And no matter what was in the movie they will blame the director switch.
I think people see that you can't bring in a new Han because he's that guy from their childhood and he still was Han in EP7. I think if they recast the character between 4 and 5, people wouldn't be up in arms. You see people trying to fan cast imitations. They look for images of Christopher Reeve in other actors playing Superman because they always want Reeve as Superman. The Marvel movies are still new. And we've gotten to the point where actors are switched out regularly now, but classics are your childhood. That's why people say the stupid "[person] raped my childhood." I've always been at liking the character, not the actor playing the role.
So because Adam West was Batman on tv when I was a child Icouldn't love Michael Keaton as Batman? Because I loved Star Trek as a child, I cant love Chris Pine as Kirk? Because I loved Dark Shadows as a child so much my child is named after a character, I couldnt enjoy the movie in the light of a parallel world which DS played with when it aired? Because I loved David McCallum as Illya Kuryakin, I had to hate Armie Hammer as Illya? Because I saw Superman with Christopher Reeve, I had to hate Dean Cain in Lois & Clark? Tom Welling in Smallville? Henry Cavill in DCEU? I LOVED Lois & Clark. Watched Smallville for 5 seasons. I LOVE Cavill as Supes & hate Snyder for trying to make Kal-El Bruce Wayne. No one can rape your childhood memories. They are your memories. This set of fans are horrid. Its only a small group. Its not the whole fandom. Just like a quarter or a third. Ok. I changed my mind. If I found out Captain Kangaroo was a child molester I might be sad...but it doesnt change my state of innocence & the enjoyment i got from that show. It would be just a nasty footnote. |
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Post by merh on Jul 4, 2018 2:48:12 GMT
Perlmutter is still with Marvel & his pennypinching probably messed up Ultron. Ultron made $1.4 billion and has an 83% audience score on RT. Solo made about a quarter of that and has a 65% score on RT. There are degrees of messing up, and Solo was messed up far more than Ultron. No, he thought nobody would mind. And very few people did mind. Hell, I'd even go so far as to say a lot of people didn't notice. I'm not really sure what point you're making here or what it's got to do with Solo. You seem to be arguing that a Marvel guy screwed up and got "moved", aka fired. Okay. Kennedy screwed up far bigger. She'll be "moved" too. You don't know Perlmutter, do you. You know those rich guys Trump meets with all the time at Mar-a-lago? www.hollywoodreporter.com/features/how-marvel-became-envy-scourge-720363The general pattern at Marvel is the sequels make more than the prior film. Ultron came up short & Whedon complained bitterly about the control the studio exerted. Natalie Portman soured on Marvel because Jenkins was attached long enough Marvel issued the usual "creative differences" So you are smoozing over Marvel's director issues. Oh, yeah. I loved the new Ghostbusters. Have the steelbook. When the hell did the original become so damned beloved? Its a movie. It was supposed to be a vehicle for Belushi & Ackroyd but Belushi died. Its the grand tradition of comedians & monsters like Abbott & Costello. |
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Post by merh on Jul 4, 2018 3:13:32 GMT
She is just the figurehead. She and Abrams wanted more time to complete TFA and Iger overruled them. So who is in charge? They are the ones who wanted Solo to be released in May Spiderman? He was wrong for TLJ, but he might have worked for Solo considering Brothers Bloom. But WTF? Star Wars ran afoul of SJW after the first film, remember? Lando was added because people bitched there were no blacks. And SJW? Excuse me. Who was the first of the 3 heroes onscreen? The GIRL?!!!!! OH NOES!!! Leia kicked ass. She was cool. Do you think IX is going to fail? |
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Post by shinnickneth on Jul 4, 2018 6:38:05 GMT
At this point, the damage to Luke/Han/Leia is severe and can't be undone. They should just leave Lando alone, not bother bringing anymore legacy characters into the movies, and really just branch out into stories not involving Lucas' stories. The training wheels/safety net of using nostalgia and Lucas' work will not keep them going the distance - especially when they mishandle the legacy of the characters.
In my opinion, that is the only way for the franchise to maybe recover...Disney really fucked it up to be blunt. I'm not much for using obscenities but it's honestly the truth.
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Post by Primemovermithrax Pejorative on Jul 4, 2018 8:13:20 GMT
They are the ones who wanted Solo to be released in May ***Iger and the rest of the board were fine with that decision. Spiderman?*right-no one cares
Star Wars ran afoul of SJW after the first film, remember?
Lando was added because people bitched there were no blacks.***no one bitched-the official story was that Lucas had considered Yaphet Kotto for Han Solo (this could be BS of course) and then he decided to add a black character to the sequel. There was no fan pressure. Blacks supposedly were not interested in Star Wars
Leia kicked ass.
She was cool.**there were strong women characters going back to DW Griffith's Intolerance--big Hollywood just chose to ignore them until the 70s Do you think IX is going to fail?*It can't fail. The money exists to claim it was a huge success whether it was or not. They may be worried that oversaturation of the brand will mean less box office for IX. This could be the reason they pull the plug on stand alone films. But I think it is all smoke and mirrors. Like CNN staying on air despite no one watching it, Disney can keep churning out whatever it wants. It has the coin to stay in business. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2018 8:58:31 GMT
You don't know Perlmutter, do you. You know those rich guys Trump meets with all the time at Mar-a-lago? Again, though... so the hell what? What has any of this got to do with the fact that Kathleen Kennedy has stuffed up her job and is very likely going to be canned because of it? You literally appear to think that just posting random things about Marvel is some sort of excuse for her? Again : So what? There is a world of difference between "the mountain of money that you made for us was slightly smaller than we would have liked" and "you lost us a mountain of money". Kathleen Kennedy has made bad decisions that cost the mouse money. She's damaged what should be a very profitable brand, probably beyond the point of easy repair. She's going to be fired for it. What the hell has that got to do with anything? No I'm not, I'm saying it has nothing to do with anything. And that Marvel's director "issues" have not hurt the film. Every studio is going to have issues with directors from time to time, that's nothing new. But what Kennedy did is exceptional - she hired directors and let them finish 90% of the film before deciding she didn't like them. Every film needs reshoots - but it's virtually unheard of for a film to need 80%+ of the entire runtime to be reshot, costing a gigantic sum of money. And to do that and then wind up with a movie nobody wanted to see? She's out. So you're the one! About six months after it came out. And it's a damn sight better than the remake. |
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